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Dragonfli

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83. You made a very good point there

Tue Apr 2, 2013, 12:54 AM

Apr 2013

"Giving boatloads of money to schools won't really improve the system unless the groups I listed actually give a shit about the system." that is what I meant by "apathetic quietism and I agree with you, it is one of the things that pisses me off, it should piss you off (maybe not as much as it does a grumpy old fuck like me, you are too young for that).

A point that you might consider as well, whereas it is true that Gov and money cannot solve the problem if very few give a shit about anything, it may very well also be true that without the help of the resources you will need, again, you will not be able to solve the problem, IMO it will take both money and motivation.

Consider for a moment that those needed resources appear to be mind bogglingly expensive on the scale needed to help, it will take a pooling of resources to accomplish it. You mentioned in one of your posts that you lean a bit socialist, this pooling of resources is the core of that philosophy, and socialists believe that is what, among other things, a healthy government is used for. You may or may not believe this yourself, it is something you must decide for yourself, but it is at least a reasonable belief. Can you agree it is somewhat reasonable?

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yep! . . . . . n/t annabanana Apr 2013 #2

that cartoon says it all, in very clear, simple, easy-to-understand terms. the pukes will probably niyad Apr 2013 #3

HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Apr 2013 #4

K&R! LittleBlue Apr 2013 #5

Socialist ideals are great and all Starkiller228 Apr 2013 #6

I doubt a Ron Paul supporter would promote spending more money on education n/t arcane1 Apr 2013 #8

Especially since Paul is on record for eliminating the Dept. of Education Blue_Tires Apr 2013 #142

You do know what nit picking is don't you? zeemike Apr 2013 #9

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Kids are just little yous zeemike Apr 2013 #24

Hmm. No, that's not a gigantic problem Occulus Apr 2013 #26

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I grew up in the 80s, kid. Listen to this because I'm only going to say it ONE time. Occulus Apr 2013 #43

EXCELLENT rant! Kali Apr 2013 #64

Well said! Hope that he reads this... Rhiannon12866 Apr 2013 #68

What Occulus said. Arugula Latte Apr 2013 #79

Now THAT'S a punch worthy of applause. HughBeaumont Apr 2013 #102

I'm six years ahead of you onlyadream Apr 2013 #107

Awesome rant!! kdmorris Apr 2013 #108

Hey, Me too gaspee Apr 2013 #143

I think we have the same demographic profiles Bucky Apr 2013 #109

Most excellent rant. SomeGuyInEagan Apr 2013 #123

Right beside you. N_E_1 for Tennis Apr 2013 #125

Very well said.....thank you for saying it......n/t prairierose Apr 2013 #129

Dear God, Occulus! Rainngirl Apr 2013 #130

Thank you. RoseMead Apr 2013 #133

B - I - N - G - Fucking - O! Yooperman Apr 2013 #139

excellent! noiretextatique Apr 2013 #141

How can you say you "lean socialist" when your 1st post inthread ridicules socialist ideas? Bucky Apr 2013 #111

Really? The whole country's problems is all because of kids wasting their lives away on meaningless Iris Apr 2013 #31

Reality and you have trouble getting along? IdaBriggs Apr 2013 #35

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Does someone pay you to write that drivel? WCLinolVir Apr 2013 #94

Corporations are not a problem? Webster Green Apr 2013 #99

+1 Lady Freedom Returns Apr 2013 #100

I think "paid shill" might be more accurate. nt Doremus Apr 2013 #126

I'm with you! Fuck education! Fuck schools! morningfog Apr 2013 #48

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What meaning? tkmorris Apr 2013 #90

You simply made a stupid statement Bradical79 Apr 2013 #124

To be kind, you actually lost me with your contradictory statements. Are you lost? Wrong board? olegramps Apr 2013 #127

I'm sorry, but............ MyOwnPeace Apr 2013 #12

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You are letting your mask slip. morningfog Apr 2013 #49

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I'm offended by the stupidity of people like you Zoeisright Apr 2013 #52

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No, troll, what we hate is greedy, self-entitled assholes TAKING more than they actually earned. Occulus Apr 2013 #76

Speaking of felonies and theft . . . HughBeaumont Apr 2013 #119

You are getting a rough welcome here zeemike Apr 2013 #57

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We are spending more money on prisons BECAUSE WE ARE PRIVATIZING THEM. Occulus Apr 2013 #58

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Did you even READ what I wrote here? Occulus Apr 2013 #67

I say this with all due respect, maybe a visit to your doctor might be in order. WCLinolVir Apr 2013 #96

A Ron Paul supporter? Ruby the Liberal Apr 2013 #13

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The Socialist Ideal puts ownership of business in the hands of the people, not corporations Martin Eden Apr 2013 #17

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Are you a high school student? cyberswede Apr 2013 #36

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I wish you well in college. cyberswede Apr 2013 #39

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Ah. That explains so much. morningfog Apr 2013 #50

Then I commend you for diving right in and joining in the discussion Dragonfli Apr 2013 #74

Very well said and that's my hope, too Rhiannon12866 Apr 2013 #77

It is something I felt deeply, and meant sincerely, thanks Dragonfli Apr 2013 #91

Thank you so much... Rhiannon12866 Apr 2013 #98

Agree. Hoping he/she reads this again and again October Apr 2013 #104

You might want to go read the ToS you agreed to when you joined us tkmorris Apr 2013 #92

Come on man, he is obviously telling the truth about his age Dragonfli Apr 2013 #97

I'm not suggesting we spend another $10 billion on education. Martin Eden Apr 2013 #51

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I hope, for your sake, that you go to a nice school Nevernose Apr 2013 #78

Parents wouldn't have to buy supplies for the rest of the class for the year, for one thing Occulus Apr 2013 #81

I'm a teacher. I don't think you know very many. Bucky Apr 2013 #113

You talk about socialist ideals and imply libertarians are behind expressing them? Dragonfli Apr 2013 #21

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You have set a stellar JackInGreen Apr 2013 #25

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Sorry I AM an asshole, I should fix that someday. I like to state exactly what I think Dragonfli Apr 2013 #42

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Oh no, not at all! Feel free to judge me all you want, many do and find me a complete asshole. Dragonfli Apr 2013 #56

I think you have to have a plausible argument, Starkiller... MrMickeysMom Apr 2013 #69

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You made a very good point there Dragonfli Apr 2013 #83

When those parents get home at 3AM from their second job Occulus Apr 2013 #85

Youse misspelled oldyurp. Warren Stupidity Apr 2013 #27

And derp. Occulus Apr 2013 #29

Enoy your brief visit here pscot Apr 2013 #30

Enjoy your stay here. n/t L0oniX Apr 2013 #33

Truth hurts, huh? Arugula Latte Apr 2013 #80

Blah, blah, what did you say? Remove the south?? WCLinolVir Apr 2013 #89

It was a bet on how many members could be insulted in one post. Warren Stupidity Apr 2013 #105

Ok you're still here from what I see and you're still 16 or 17 or 18 years old from what you say steve2470 Apr 2013 #116

So annoying trumps the truth. marble falls Apr 2013 #117

Go play with your gun. nt valerief Apr 2013 #121

Nope. not funny at all. zeemike Apr 2013 #7

Why? Ideology has triumphed over reason and common sense. nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2013 #10

Thank you. Bucky Apr 2013 #114

Who needs an education mindwalker_i Apr 2013 #11

...and video games. n/t L0oniX Apr 2013 #34

At least with video games, you're interacting with it mindwalker_i Apr 2013 #41

Excellent. (nt) DirkGently Apr 2013 #14

Bill Clinton said often during his 1992 Presidential campaign that it is cheaper TheDebbieDee Apr 2013 #15

Yes, but when you send a person to college for 4-6 years, CrispyQ Apr 2013 #44

Plutocracy always trumps democracy. Rex Apr 2013 #23

K&R!!!!! burrowowl Apr 2013 #46

And it's happening under Democrats as well as Republicans. woo me with science Apr 2013 #47

The population of Norway, Sweden, Finland and Denmark combined are ~25.5 million snooper2 Apr 2013 #53

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Yes we can afford single payer.. snooper2 Apr 2013 #87

Lockheed may well have built a working IEC device capable of generating net power Occulus Apr 2013 #88

There is no mechanism that can convert energy at greater than 100% efficiency. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #93

I didn't say that. Occulus Apr 2013 #95

Ah, alright now I see what you meant. Apologies. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #101

New laws or just old ones? Rex Apr 2013 #132

So we should enjoy economies of scale and have lower per capita costs. Warren Stupidity Apr 2013 #106

Ha! Bucky Apr 2013 #115

Apparently the tipping point is 15 degrees West or something. (nt) Posteritatis Apr 2013 #136

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So their rich don't own their politicians? treestar Apr 2013 #55

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we as a nation suffer from glutenous stupidity. nt Javaman Apr 2013 #110

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There is only one solution, just one to our present disaster, elect Democrats. olegramps Apr 2013 #128

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rec #314! napoleon_in_rags Apr 2013 #134

Love the cartoon. kurtzapril4 Apr 2013 #138

K&R smirkymonkey Apr 2013 #140