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UnrepentantLiberal

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89. Because it's leagle to straw purchase as many guns as you want

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Tue Apr 2, 2013, 08:04 AM

Apr 2013

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Why not this for a state gun control law to slow gun trafficking? [View all] UnrepentantLiberal Apr 2013 OP

And if an possessor of a gun doesn't abide by the rule, then what? NYC_SKP Apr 2013 #1

"And if a possessor of a gun doesn't abide by the rule, then what?" UnrepentantLiberal Apr 2013 #3

You bravely ran away, away Kolesar Apr 2013 #42

ok NYC_SKP Apr 2013 #52

don't all rules depend on compliance? an argument to not have any laws. spanone Apr 2013 #57

and irresponsibly drivers drove drunk in bigger numbers before we started getting CTyankee Apr 2013 #94

It would be in conflict with Federal laws for one thing ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2013 #2

There of course would be provisions for guns UnrepentantLiberal Apr 2013 #14

Current Federal laws are pretty clear ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2013 #22

All gun sales should be as heavily taxed percentage-wise, as cigarettes. And as heavily registered.. onehandle Apr 2013 #4

Tobacco is a vice, and not mentioned in the Bill of Rights. nt NYC_SKP Apr 2013 #6

'Well Regulated.' onehandle Apr 2013 #7

That talking point is well debunked ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2013 #24

Your debunking has been debunked... 99Forever Apr 2013 #103

I will see your debunk and raise you several Supreme Court decisions ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2013 #112

Bull. 99Forever Apr 2013 #119

That would impede poor folks living in poor neighborhoods golfguru Apr 2013 #10

Unicorn. onehandle Apr 2013 #13

You know that stuff is probably like 50% horse. n/t Kurska Apr 2013 #17

It certainly tastes like horse. nt onehandle Apr 2013 #18

Obey? Kurska Apr 2013 #11

I'm a film fan. Good and bad. onehandle Apr 2013 #20

It is already illegal to say, take a handgun into new york city. Kurska Apr 2013 #5

No, the OP wants to make it triple special super duper illegal. NYC_SKP Apr 2013 #8

Yes. VERY illegal. UnrepentantLiberal Apr 2013 #9

If it is felony it already counts toward existing 3 strike laws. n/t Kurska Apr 2013 #12

Different felonies carry different penalties. UnrepentantLiberal Apr 2013 #29

There is zero reason for you to know... Sharpie Apr 2013 #55

Did I say I think your house should be searched? UnrepentantLiberal Apr 2013 #58

Zero tolerance like teen drinking. Like the checkpoints for produce in California. graham4anything Apr 2013 #19

"zero tolerance"..such a liberal concept it is.. pipoman Apr 2013 #51

Its all the rage in Bloomies office. They use it for so many things ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2013 #81

The answer is mini-parks cropping up like ones that keep pervs out-it's the newest trend graham4anything Apr 2013 #85

More like raging egotistical Mike, the classic 1%er ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2013 #113

Yeah! You could could catch all the illegal arms dealers while they wait in line geckosfeet Apr 2013 #15

If they don't wait in line to register the gun UnrepentantLiberal Apr 2013 #21

Jeezuz. It just isn't clicking tonight is it? geckosfeet Apr 2013 #26

Then why have any laws at all? UnrepentantLiberal Apr 2013 #32

You sure aren't going to catch a criminal by making more rules for him to ignore. geckosfeet Apr 2013 #39

You don't think criminals are aware of the laws but they are. UnrepentantLiberal Apr 2013 #43

You don't get it. But that's ok. geckosfeet Apr 2013 #96

How are you going to catch them? nt hack89 Apr 2013 #27

Then why have any laws at all? UnrepentantLiberal Apr 2013 #34

Why not have effective laws if we are going to have laws at all? hack89 Apr 2013 #37

I think a minimum of 5 years in prison for UnrepentantLiberal Apr 2013 #45

Can we keep the conversation bounded by political and social reality? hack89 Apr 2013 #47

I didn't say universal. UnrepentantLiberal Apr 2013 #50

Easily doable. Like NY. Just need enough people to agree with you. jmg257 Apr 2013 #66

Why not simply increase the punishment for illegal gun trafficking? hack89 Apr 2013 #88

Because it's leagle to straw purchase as many guns as you want UnrepentantLiberal Apr 2013 #89

Straw purchases by definition are crimes hack89 Apr 2013 #90

Still, you can buy as many guns as you want. UnrepentantLiberal Apr 2013 #91

Depends on the state. Some have a 1 gun/handgun per time period limitation. ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2013 #115

Or, gun smuggling becomes even more profitable (and violent) than it is now. Llewlladdwr Apr 2013 #31

How so? UnrepentantLiberal Apr 2013 #35

maybe handguns should have a tracking device implanted in them like cell phones do putitinD Apr 2013 #16

Wholly bananas. Cell phones are electonic devices with huge infrastructures supporting geckosfeet Apr 2013 #23

Don't you be going all practical on us and stuff nt ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2013 #28

I was thinking of something more like an RFID chip, don't we have the technology putitinD Apr 2013 #46

Metal blocks RFID ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2013 #62

If I am legally carrying why should a cop care? geckosfeet Apr 2013 #97

Hard to do since few guns include an electrical power source. Llewlladdwr Apr 2013 #25

There you go nit picking perfectly noble and well intended screeds ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2013 #30

What would you have to do to enforce the law? rrneck Apr 2013 #33

I'm talking about unregistered guns here. UnrepentantLiberal Apr 2013 #38

What's an "unregistered" gun? Llewlladdwr Apr 2013 #41

I meant to say unregistered hand gun. UnrepentantLiberal Apr 2013 #48

Yes it would. Llewlladdwr Apr 2013 #54

I'm not talking about federal law. UnrepentantLiberal Apr 2013 #56

You're talking about firearms trafficking. rrneck Apr 2013 #49

Your making harder than it should be. UnrepentantLiberal Apr 2013 #53

Do you park your car in your living room? rrneck Apr 2013 #59

Oh, now. rrneck Apr 2013 #61

Live in a state where you don't have to register your hand gun. UnrepentantLiberal Apr 2013 #63

Reread your OP. rrneck Apr 2013 #64

I'm not asking for a federal law. UnrepentantLiberal Apr 2013 #67

Okay. rrneck Apr 2013 #68

There's a mandatory minimum of 5 years in prison UnrepentantLiberal Apr 2013 #72

I don't think so. rrneck Apr 2013 #73

I'm saying they should be as afraid of being caught with an unregistered gun UnrepentantLiberal Apr 2013 #75

I appreciate your passion rrneck Apr 2013 #77

Real good idea to get the illegal gun BEFORE it used to shoot someone though, right? nt jmg257 Apr 2013 #93

Well, rrneck Apr 2013 #98

Sure it is - you simply allow people an easy method to avoid making it illegal. jmg257 Apr 2013 #105

How easy is it? rrneck Apr 2013 #111

Several states require handgun registration, licensing etc. Why is that such jmg257 Apr 2013 #69

Plenty of people still get shot in those states. rrneck Apr 2013 #71

NP - Read that. I agree with the OP - you are making it way too complicated. jmg257 Apr 2013 #92

Statistics I never see... rrneck Apr 2013 #107

Handgun registration/licensing has been in existence in NY long before Bloomberg came to power. jmg257 Apr 2013 #110

We don't really need more data. rrneck Apr 2013 #114

I agree there is no direct correlation between guns and crime. jmg257 Apr 2013 #116

Same here. rrneck Apr 2013 #117

Peace - and it was good - thanks! jmg257 Apr 2013 #120

Have you tried that in WashDC? ProgressiveProfessor Apr 2013 #80

Would all traffic stops require mandatory searches for potentially unregistered guns? X_Digger Apr 2013 #65

That happens with a lot of crimes. UnrepentantLiberal Apr 2013 #70

The point is that without some new power to search, it would be rather difficult to enforce. X_Digger Apr 2013 #74

Already answered that question in this thread. UnrepentantLiberal Apr 2013 #78

You appear to have dodged it. Care to point me to it? n/t X_Digger Apr 2013 #83

How do cops in NYC recover thousands & thousands of illegal guns every year? Are they jmg257 Apr 2013 #95

Are you at all familiar with 'Stop and Frisk'? X_Digger Apr 2013 #100

So - they don't in fact need some new special powers? Thanks. jmg257 Apr 2013 #101

That was one year (2011). X_Digger Apr 2013 #106

Ahh - my apologies, those were 2007 recovery numbers! I'll edit post above. jmg257 Apr 2013 #108

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They'll catch on. UnrepentantLiberal Apr 2013 #40

Anyone who would refuse to register their gun is probably already kudzu22 Apr 2013 #99

I'm not so sure. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2013 #102

Your subject line does not make any sense Kolesar Apr 2013 #44

Honest people will follow your law. Dishonest people will not. That's the problem with many ... spin Apr 2013 #76

So you don't think any laws for any crimes in this country should be changed? UnrepentantLiberal Apr 2013 #79

Of course laws often need to be changed. ... spin Apr 2013 #84

Works with Drugs! green for victory Apr 2013 #82

Criminals obey laws? ileus Apr 2013 #86

Good point. UnrepentantLiberal Apr 2013 #87

What, you're going to stop and search every single person at the border? MadHound Apr 2013 #104

I know one DU member premium Apr 2013 #109

Unconstitutional. Would conflict with the federal law that protects interstate travel with firearms. slackmaster Apr 2013 #118