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GreenStormCloud

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66. Sure.
Tue Apr 2, 2013, 09:01 AM
Apr 2013
http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/culturebox/2004/09/the_cult_of_che.html

The cult of Ernesto Che Guevara is an episode in the moral callousness of our time. Che was a totalitarian. He achieved nothing but disaster. Many of the early leaders of the Cuban Revolution favored a democratic or democratic-socialist direction for the new Cuba. But Che was a mainstay of the hardline pro-Soviet faction, and his faction won. Che presided over the Cuban Revolution's first firing squads. He founded Cuba's "labor camp" system—the system that was eventually employed to incarcerate gays, dissidents, and AIDS victims. To get himself killed, and to get a lot of other people killed, was central to Che's imagination. In the famous essay in which he issued his ringing call for "two, three, many Vietnams," he also spoke about martyrdom and managed to compose a number of chilling phrases: "Hatred as an element of struggle; unbending hatred for the enemy, which pushes a human being beyond his natural limitations, making him into an effective, violent, selective, and cold-blooded killing machine. This is what our soldiers must become …"— and so on. He was killed in Bolivia in 1967, leading a guerrilla movement that had failed to enlist a single Bolivian peasant. And yet he succeeded in inspiring tens of thousands of middle class Latin-Americans to exit the universities and organize guerrilla insurgencies of their own. And these insurgencies likewise accomplished nothing, except to bring about the death of hundreds of thousands, and to set back the cause of Latin-American democracy—a tragedy on the hugest scale.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Che_Guevara
...the newly empowered government carried out executions, punctuated by cries from the crowds of "¡paredón!" (to the wall),[97] which biographer Jorge Castañeda describes as "without respect for due process".[109]

SNIP

What is acknowledged by all sides is that Guevara had become a "hardened" man, who had no qualms about the death penalty or summary and collective trials. If the only way to "defend the revolution was to execute its enemies, he would not be swayed by humanitarian or political arguments".[109] This is further confirmed by a February 5, 1959, letter to Luis Paredes López in Buenos Aires where Guevara states unequivocally "The executions by firing squads are not only a necessity for the people of Cuba, but also an imposition of the people."[112]


And here is a quote from Che himself: "We don't need proof to execute a man. We only need proof that it's necessary to execute him. A revolutionary must become a cold killing machine motivated by pure hate." -Che Guevara No due process. No concern for innocence or guilt. No justice, just killing.

And here is another Che quote: "To send men to the firing squad, judicial proof is unnecessary...These procedures are an archaic bourgeois detail. This is a revolution! And a revolutionary must become a cold killing machine motivated by pure hate. We must create the pedagogy of the The Wall!

BTW - Che executed gays for being gay.


No true progressive supports Marxist-Leninist-Stalinist hard-line communism. By supporting NK and Che's memory, that is what you are supporting.

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Tell ya what DonCoquixote Apr 2013 #1
Given the background I wonder how it would be if the US had not bullied their way into Korea. L0oniX Apr 2013 #2
Bullied their way into Korea? hack89 Apr 2013 #3
Not too unlike the Chinese sponsored N. Vietnam? L0oniX Apr 2013 #7
Look at NK - a starving population, prison camps, illegal arm sales, a total police state hack89 Apr 2013 #8
You guys are always trying to reframe ...give it up. L0oniX Apr 2013 #11
SK is a thriving democracy because the US interfered hack89 Apr 2013 #12
The ends justify the means? So it was ok for the US to kill the refugees? L0oniX Apr 2013 #13
Of course not. But the good outweighed the bad. hack89 Apr 2013 #14
Have you posted any demands to prosecute the North Korean regime and its allies geek tragedy Apr 2013 #18
Yea sure I'll demand that ...while we perpetrate our own barbaric atrocities upon the innocent. L0oniX Apr 2013 #25
what specifically and objectively leads you to believe that premise? LanternWaste Apr 2013 #32
+1 HiPointDem Apr 2013 #4
I've missed you in the Korea threads!!! nt msanthrope Apr 2013 #5
Something familiar, kind of rings a Bell doesn't it!! grantcart Apr 2013 #53
... SidDithers Apr 2013 #15
Thanks for your wonderful insightful contribution to discussion about war crimes. n/t L0oniX Apr 2013 #28
You mean, like the post he replied to? pintobean Apr 2013 #46
...and yours. n/t L0oniX Apr 2013 #49
What do you think Korea would be like right now had the US/UN stayed out of Korea? octothorpe Apr 2013 #35
I don't know. It's the war crimes that I care about ...then and especially now. L0oniX Apr 2013 #47
No one told Kim nor his princes what to do DonCoquixote Apr 2013 #39
I don't see any "denial". I do see some reference notes and sources at the bottom... L0oniX Apr 2013 #50
Get on the internet and ask some people from South Korea what they think. tabasco Apr 2013 #52
No Gun Ri Massacre dipsydoodle Apr 2013 #6
"whitewash." is putting it in the most mild form possible. The US gov and some of its citizens... L0oniX Apr 2013 #10
Time article from 1999 here dipsydoodle Apr 2013 #19
Thank you for that. n/t L0oniX Apr 2013 #29
Are you aware that we blew up bridges while hundreds of refugees were on the bridges? GreenStormCloud Apr 2013 #69
As suggested in your post, I did "see the bio about the writer" MineralMan Apr 2013 #9
this is simply inaccurate and ahistorical. cali Apr 2013 #16
See post #6 and #19 if you think its a fairytale. dipsydoodle Apr 2013 #20
Typical type of response from you. No discussion ...just attack. n/t L0oniX Apr 2013 #23
It's one thing to discuss war crimes. It's another to act as a stenographer of the Kimist geek tragedy Apr 2013 #17
I see ...so then and now are the same thing. Thanks for your meaningfull contribution. n/t L0oniX Apr 2013 #24
I have been wondering whether to put that person on ignore for a while. Apologia for North Korea stevenleser Apr 2013 #57
This is like a RW parody of a left-wing viewpoint cthulu2016 Apr 2013 #21
I was thinking the same thing. Skidmore Apr 2013 #22
Nice excuse. Maybe Bush and Cheney would use the same excuse. L0oniX Apr 2013 #26
No excuse. Skidmore Apr 2013 #30
It certainly looks like nothing changes when Iraq war criminals go unpunished... L0oniX Apr 2013 #33
Nailed it... SidDithers Apr 2013 #36
Yes, way, way, WAAAAY into woo woo territory. stevenleser Apr 2013 #58
the stupid burns bright in this thread dlwickham Apr 2013 #27
It's a shame some people can't discuss anything reasonably. Kinda like teaparty people. n/t L0oniX Apr 2013 #31
Pot. Kettle. Black. Benton D Struckcheon Apr 2013 #37
Great reframe. L0oniX Apr 2013 #40
Where it says the US attacked South Korea in the article. Benton D Struckcheon Apr 2013 #41
So now according to some wierd distortion ...I am taking sides? Whatever. L0oniX Apr 2013 #43
You're certainly defending it enthusiastically enough. (nt) Posteritatis Apr 2013 #45
LOL ok whatever. L0oniX Apr 2013 #48
Shall we discuss... sarisataka Apr 2013 #34
Not even sure if Niceguy1 Apr 2013 #38
Ah so you read the reference notes huh? Did you even see what I had to say or did you jump... L0oniX Apr 2013 #44
So now I "implied Korea would be better off" ...what ever. You can see whatever you want... L0oniX Apr 2013 #42
When you post a one sided piece sarisataka Apr 2013 #51
Uhm well it seems that the US writes its history as it sees it as well. L0oniX Apr 2013 #54
I find history one of the more transparent disciplines sarisataka Apr 2013 #55
Wait, someone is criticizing the U.S. (and the United Nations) for the Korean War? BlueCheese Apr 2013 #56
Meh. premium Apr 2013 #59
That site is just so full of great information snooper2 Apr 2013 #60
LOL dionysus Apr 2013 #61
The North Korean Army is responsible for that action. GreenStormCloud Apr 2013 #62
See post #6 and #19 dipsydoodle Apr 2013 #63
Che murdered people for fun. GreenStormCloud Apr 2013 #64
Got any reputable links to that. dipsydoodle Apr 2013 #65
Sure. GreenStormCloud Apr 2013 #66
The only definitive version dipsydoodle Apr 2013 #67
200+ killed, with no trials. Like I said, he was a murderer. GreenStormCloud Apr 2013 #68
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