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In reply to the discussion: Prosecutable US Crimes Against Humanity In Korea [View all]GreenStormCloud
(12,072 posts)66. Sure.
http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/culturebox/2004/09/the_cult_of_che.html
The cult of Ernesto Che Guevara is an episode in the moral callousness of our time. Che was a totalitarian. He achieved nothing but disaster. Many of the early leaders of the Cuban Revolution favored a democratic or democratic-socialist direction for the new Cuba. But Che was a mainstay of the hardline pro-Soviet faction, and his faction won. Che presided over the Cuban Revolution's first firing squads. He founded Cuba's "labor camp" systemthe system that was eventually employed to incarcerate gays, dissidents, and AIDS victims. To get himself killed, and to get a lot of other people killed, was central to Che's imagination. In the famous essay in which he issued his ringing call for "two, three, many Vietnams," he also spoke about martyrdom and managed to compose a number of chilling phrases: "Hatred as an element of struggle; unbending hatred for the enemy, which pushes a human being beyond his natural limitations, making him into an effective, violent, selective, and cold-blooded killing machine. This is what our soldiers must become " and so on. He was killed in Bolivia in 1967, leading a guerrilla movement that had failed to enlist a single Bolivian peasant. And yet he succeeded in inspiring tens of thousands of middle class Latin-Americans to exit the universities and organize guerrilla insurgencies of their own. And these insurgencies likewise accomplished nothing, except to bring about the death of hundreds of thousands, and to set back the cause of Latin-American democracya tragedy on the hugest scale.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Che_Guevara
...the newly empowered government carried out executions, punctuated by cries from the crowds of "¡paredón!" (to the wall),[97] which biographer Jorge Castañeda describes as "without respect for due process".[109]
SNIP
What is acknowledged by all sides is that Guevara had become a "hardened" man, who had no qualms about the death penalty or summary and collective trials. If the only way to "defend the revolution was to execute its enemies, he would not be swayed by humanitarian or political arguments".[109] This is further confirmed by a February 5, 1959, letter to Luis Paredes López in Buenos Aires where Guevara states unequivocally "The executions by firing squads are not only a necessity for the people of Cuba, but also an imposition of the people."[112]
And here is a quote from Che himself: "We don't need proof to execute a man. We only need proof that it's necessary to execute him. A revolutionary must become a cold killing machine motivated by pure hate." -Che Guevara No due process. No concern for innocence or guilt. No justice, just killing.
And here is another Che quote: "To send men to the firing squad, judicial proof is unnecessary...These procedures are an archaic bourgeois detail. This is a revolution! And a revolutionary must become a cold killing machine motivated by pure hate. We must create the pedagogy of the The Wall!
BTW - Che executed gays for being gay.
No true progressive supports Marxist-Leninist-Stalinist hard-line communism. By supporting NK and Che's memory, that is what you are supporting.
The cult of Ernesto Che Guevara is an episode in the moral callousness of our time. Che was a totalitarian. He achieved nothing but disaster. Many of the early leaders of the Cuban Revolution favored a democratic or democratic-socialist direction for the new Cuba. But Che was a mainstay of the hardline pro-Soviet faction, and his faction won. Che presided over the Cuban Revolution's first firing squads. He founded Cuba's "labor camp" systemthe system that was eventually employed to incarcerate gays, dissidents, and AIDS victims. To get himself killed, and to get a lot of other people killed, was central to Che's imagination. In the famous essay in which he issued his ringing call for "two, three, many Vietnams," he also spoke about martyrdom and managed to compose a number of chilling phrases: "Hatred as an element of struggle; unbending hatred for the enemy, which pushes a human being beyond his natural limitations, making him into an effective, violent, selective, and cold-blooded killing machine. This is what our soldiers must become " and so on. He was killed in Bolivia in 1967, leading a guerrilla movement that had failed to enlist a single Bolivian peasant. And yet he succeeded in inspiring tens of thousands of middle class Latin-Americans to exit the universities and organize guerrilla insurgencies of their own. And these insurgencies likewise accomplished nothing, except to bring about the death of hundreds of thousands, and to set back the cause of Latin-American democracya tragedy on the hugest scale.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Che_Guevara
...the newly empowered government carried out executions, punctuated by cries from the crowds of "¡paredón!" (to the wall),[97] which biographer Jorge Castañeda describes as "without respect for due process".[109]
SNIP
What is acknowledged by all sides is that Guevara had become a "hardened" man, who had no qualms about the death penalty or summary and collective trials. If the only way to "defend the revolution was to execute its enemies, he would not be swayed by humanitarian or political arguments".[109] This is further confirmed by a February 5, 1959, letter to Luis Paredes López in Buenos Aires where Guevara states unequivocally "The executions by firing squads are not only a necessity for the people of Cuba, but also an imposition of the people."[112]
And here is a quote from Che himself: "We don't need proof to execute a man. We only need proof that it's necessary to execute him. A revolutionary must become a cold killing machine motivated by pure hate." -Che Guevara No due process. No concern for innocence or guilt. No justice, just killing.
And here is another Che quote: "To send men to the firing squad, judicial proof is unnecessary...These procedures are an archaic bourgeois detail. This is a revolution! And a revolutionary must become a cold killing machine motivated by pure hate. We must create the pedagogy of the The Wall!
BTW - Che executed gays for being gay.
No true progressive supports Marxist-Leninist-Stalinist hard-line communism. By supporting NK and Che's memory, that is what you are supporting.
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Given the background I wonder how it would be if the US had not bullied their way into Korea.
L0oniX
Apr 2013
#2
Look at NK - a starving population, prison camps, illegal arm sales, a total police state
hack89
Apr 2013
#8
Have you posted any demands to prosecute the North Korean regime and its allies
geek tragedy
Apr 2013
#18
Yea sure I'll demand that ...while we perpetrate our own barbaric atrocities upon the innocent.
L0oniX
Apr 2013
#25
Thanks for your wonderful insightful contribution to discussion about war crimes. n/t
L0oniX
Apr 2013
#28
What do you think Korea would be like right now had the US/UN stayed out of Korea?
octothorpe
Apr 2013
#35
I don't see any "denial". I do see some reference notes and sources at the bottom...
L0oniX
Apr 2013
#50
"whitewash." is putting it in the most mild form possible. The US gov and some of its citizens...
L0oniX
Apr 2013
#10
Are you aware that we blew up bridges while hundreds of refugees were on the bridges?
GreenStormCloud
Apr 2013
#69
It's one thing to discuss war crimes. It's another to act as a stenographer of the Kimist
geek tragedy
Apr 2013
#17
I see ...so then and now are the same thing. Thanks for your meaningfull contribution. n/t
L0oniX
Apr 2013
#24
I have been wondering whether to put that person on ignore for a while. Apologia for North Korea
stevenleser
Apr 2013
#57
It certainly looks like nothing changes when Iraq war criminals go unpunished...
L0oniX
Apr 2013
#33
It's a shame some people can't discuss anything reasonably. Kinda like teaparty people. n/t
L0oniX
Apr 2013
#31
Ah so you read the reference notes huh? Did you even see what I had to say or did you jump...
L0oniX
Apr 2013
#44
So now I "implied Korea would be better off" ...what ever. You can see whatever you want...
L0oniX
Apr 2013
#42
Wait, someone is criticizing the U.S. (and the United Nations) for the Korean War?
BlueCheese
Apr 2013
#56