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nomorenomore08

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258. Yeah, it was the word "systematically" that raised the eyebrows there.

Reply to Warren DeMontague (Reply #207)

Tue Apr 2, 2013, 07:19 PM

Apr 2013

Combined with the fact that that poster is admittedly a man.

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Why are tits so fetishized? [View all] XemaSab Mar 2013 OP

I'm more of an ass/legs/tummy guy. nt Comrade_McKenzie Mar 2013 #1

Put an orange in a box... Bonobo Mar 2013 #2

Strangely enough over dinner I had a conversation with my wife about apples and oranges. R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #7

really NJCher Apr 2013 #278

We actually were. R. Daneel Olivaw Apr 2013 #294

Then one would think the "fetish" would be exhausted caseymoz Mar 2013 #11

Sexual attraction is socialized. Gravitycollapse Mar 2013 #13

To a degree. caseymoz Mar 2013 #23

What types of inflexible "things" are you referring to? Gravitycollapse Mar 2013 #32

The traits vary from person to person. caseymoz Mar 2013 #38

"Sensation will trump socialization every time." - Absolutely, unequivicably false. Gravitycollapse Mar 2013 #51

There's nowhere to go in this conversation, then. caseymoz Mar 2013 #88

We shouldn't "cure" homosexuality because it is not wrong or unhealthy. Gravitycollapse Mar 2013 #102

But as the superior or supreme entity . . . caseymoz Mar 2013 #116

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #303

Where have I said that? Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #306

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #307

There was no alternative implication that you suggest. That is your own construction. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #308

Then why is "reparative therapy" found to be useless, in fact harmful, in most cases? nomorenomore08 Mar 2013 #99

Because socialization does necessitate conscious intent. So you cannot will yourself to change. Gravitycollapse Mar 2013 #104

Okay, that makes sense. I should've kept in mind that socialization is a mostly unconscious process. nomorenomore08 Mar 2013 #107

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #199

I think that's right NJCher Apr 2013 #279

Its funny FarrenH Apr 2013 #289

You said it without realizing it, I think. Bonobo Mar 2013 #14

Most boys in puberty have likely seen hundreds or even thousands of breasts. Gravitycollapse Mar 2013 #15

Internet pictures don't count. Bonobo Mar 2013 #17

There is nothing forbidden about the female body. It is elevated as permenantly accessible. Gravitycollapse Mar 2013 #18

I disagree. Bonobo Mar 2013 #24

Fetishized objects are not valued. They are in fact devalued. Gravitycollapse Mar 2013 #28

So you do not accept the relationship Bonobo Mar 2013 #37

There is no scarcity. There is an influx. But that is neither here nor there. Gravitycollapse Mar 2013 #46

So this is the only case in the entire culture where easy access results in inflated value? Bonobo Mar 2013 #50

The female body is not valued at all. It is devalued continuously. Gravitycollapse Mar 2013 #54

Breasts themselves may not be scarce, but access to them is, indeed... hence the value. opiate69 Mar 2013 #52

I will say again, the female body is not valued. It is minimalized. Gravitycollapse Mar 2013 #55

That is not what fetishizing is about. Bonobo Mar 2013 #58

I think you've nailed it pretty thoroughly. Marr Apr 2013 #208

And you'll still be wrong... opiate69 Mar 2013 #59

If I'm wrong, then some of the greatest feminists and philosophers are wrong. Gravitycollapse Mar 2013 #66

While we're making reading suggestions...find some books written by actual scientists. opiate69 Mar 2013 #67

You cannot quantize or render wholly biological human sexual experience. Gravitycollapse Mar 2013 #71

Why do I get the feeling we're sliding into Woo territory? opiate69 Mar 2013 #77

What is within the reach of all men at all times? The2ndWheel Mar 2013 #61

The idea that the female body is physically inaccessible to men is absurd. Gravitycollapse Mar 2013 #68

Ask this guy how accessible it is. Bonobo Mar 2013 #75

A. I am a man. B. Women systemically experience sex without pleasure. Gravitycollapse Mar 2013 #78

No, I am not expecting that at all. Please don't get all huffy when we are exchanging thoughts. Bonobo Mar 2013 #82

I'm perfectly calm here. I'm simply telling you... Gravitycollapse Mar 2013 #85

Fine, but sympathy does not enter into the discussion. Bonobo Mar 2013 #89

"Women systemically experience sex without pleasure." Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #207

Yeah, it was the word "systematically" that raised the eyebrows there. nomorenomore08 Apr 2013 #258

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #267

Why do I get the feeling that I know you under a different user name...? Marr Apr 2013 #209

Updated version of my theoretical sock puppet exchange: Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #301

This makes me wonder Shankapotomus Apr 2013 #292

It's a good question, but the answer probably would not be well-received. Bonobo Apr 2013 #293

So perhaps, Shankapotomus Apr 2013 #296

Fascinating idea. Bonobo Apr 2013 #297

Really? Thank you. Shankapotomus Apr 2013 #298

We share an interest then. Bonobo Apr 2013 #299

Accessible? opiate69 Mar 2013 #76

You could go home and watch porn. Or buy a prostitute. Gravitycollapse Mar 2013 #81

You are making my argument for me. Bonobo Mar 2013 #84

Just because something is not infinite does not mean it is scarce. Gravitycollapse Mar 2013 #86

Just because something is ubiquitous, does not mean it's accessible. opiate69 Mar 2013 #87

Ubiquity is by definition universal access. Gravitycollapse Mar 2013 #90

wrong, yet again.. opiate69 Mar 2013 #92

Divine law, God, is universally accessible. Gravitycollapse Mar 2013 #94

Well.. He may well be, but Scarlet Johansen most definitely is not. opiate69 Mar 2013 #96

But if God is a concept, he's not accessible. caseymoz Mar 2013 #100

Houses are ubiquitous, but not accessible. LadyHawkAZ Mar 2013 #113

"Even the media does not portray women that way." - You're joking, right? Gravitycollapse Mar 2013 #125

Nope, but I'm beginning to think you're conducting a Poe experiment LadyHawkAZ Mar 2013 #159

Give an example of something that's ubiquitous caseymoz Mar 2013 #97

Money... Fame... power... prestige... happiness.. love... etc, etc opiate69 Mar 2013 #103

"These things certainly do seem to be ubiquitous" - They certainly do. But they aren't. Gravitycollapse Mar 2013 #106

None of those are ubiquitous. caseymoz Mar 2013 #109

Then we're working off of different definitions of ubiquity. opiate69 Mar 2013 #111

Wow. You really don't get the way some men feel. Silent3 Mar 2013 #152

Really? Attraction to breasts caseymoz Mar 2013 #65

a fetish isnt always dysfunctional sigmasix Mar 2013 #119

I believe that all fetishes are dysfunctional. Gravitycollapse Mar 2013 #124

I'm not sure you are using either the word "fetish" OR "dysfunction" correctly. Bonobo Mar 2013 #127

perhaps you can outline a description of what you consider "acceptable" sexual attraction, then. Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #196

Ah, guns & pop psychology. Like corn sweetener, it creeps into any discussion. Eleanors38 Mar 2013 #162

where do you get this stuff? Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #220

You kind of got me all worked up with that... Bay Boy Apr 2013 #233

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #195

+1 Marr Apr 2013 #211

I WILL KICK sociopolitimological patriarchiochamalegazimologicafical - spewing DEMONTAGUE ASS! Skittles Apr 2013 #260

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #268

Why should someone else's body be "permanently accessible" to anyone else? whathehell Apr 2013 #254

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #273

Sorry, Ignore... whathehell Apr 2013 #285

If not through the media caseymoz Mar 2013 #44

I knew a few who had. caseymoz Mar 2013 #33

I've seen much younger boys fixate on breasts. My friends kid copped a feel when he was 2 1/2 years bettyellen Mar 2013 #41

Because breasts are our first snacks. Bonobo Mar 2013 #45

well , hide them and almost show you them 1,000X a day on TV. bettyellen Mar 2013 #70

I agree. "Look! No don't look!" Bonobo Mar 2013 #74

But we have no memory of that! caseymoz Mar 2013 #105

I did not contradict myself. I amplified. Bonobo Mar 2013 #108

You've answered with a contradiction. caseymoz Mar 2013 #117

I never got that "snack" and still have the fetish davidpdx Apr 2013 #241

Do you not believe that 2 year olds are subject to socialization? Gravitycollapse Mar 2013 #56

oh, I think they are totally influenced by the media and peers bettyellen Mar 2013 #62

What is your point? Gravitycollapse Mar 2013 #73

just saying I think it often happens before puberty bettyellen Mar 2013 #155

you're fucking serious, here? Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #202

I'm a lesbian Aerows Mar 2013 #170

because the bird family they belong to {Paridae} are cute and entertaining? nt msongs Mar 2013 #3

That's like asking why you're attracted to women. caseymoz Mar 2013 #4

This message was self-deleted by its author pipoman Mar 2013 #27

I've read it's a psychological thing with men. Honeycombe8 Mar 2013 #5

Might go back to the Quest for Fire days. Whisp Apr 2013 #255

Alerting for use of the word... SirRevolutionary Mar 2013 #6

The Victorian era is responsible for a shift in Western sexuality towards fetishization. Gravitycollapse Mar 2013 #8

"mammary glands" niyad Mar 2013 #9

Hell to the yes! nt cbrer Mar 2013 #53

brilliant... Blue_Tires Apr 2013 #198

Also, there is nothing cute about your use of the term "gross" to refer to the female body. Gravitycollapse Mar 2013 #10

She's speaking of sebaceous glands. Scootaloo Mar 2013 #57

Oh, C'MON!!! Marr Apr 2013 #213

Are you a man? Raine1967 Apr 2013 #222

Because people have been told they are forbidden. Cleita Mar 2013 #12

It's just that simple. Bonobo Mar 2013 #16

What about the penis? Nothing is more forbidden leftstreet Mar 2013 #22

It is difficult or even impossible to fetishize symbols of strength. Gravitycollapse Mar 2013 #25

Penises are not forbidden in the West. Bonobo Mar 2013 #39

Hmm. When I look around me at tall erect buildings and the need to build every Cleita Mar 2013 #154

My surgeon said in a 1990 report that my teats were "unremarkable".... NYC_SKP Mar 2013 #19

my mum was referred to as a "charming old lady" Skittles Mar 2013 #29

I would be flattered! NYC_SKP Mar 2013 #34

There's a difference between attraction and fetished. Apophis Mar 2013 #20

True... awoke_in_2003 Mar 2013 #118

How about using the word breasts? BainsBane Mar 2013 #21

.... 840high Mar 2013 #26

It is part of the process of denying women agency. Gravitycollapse Mar 2013 #30

How does that deny women agency? nt Bonobo Mar 2013 #130

+ 1. Seriously. nt Laffy Kat Mar 2013 #31

I think she has the right to call 'em whatever the hell she wants to call 'em. NYC_SKP Mar 2013 #35

I call my wife's port and starboard Major Nikon Mar 2013 #60

My old man had tats that read "sweet" and "sour". NYC_SKP Mar 2013 #63

+1 Apophis Mar 2013 #64

I insist on calling mine Boobies, Tits, Titties and Girls! Depends on my and their mood. idwiyo Mar 2013 #131

Oh no...That would be much too respectful...They're determined to use the crudest terms possible whathehell Mar 2013 #134

Who is "they"? Union Scribe Mar 2013 #136

"They" are whathehell Mar 2013 #137

Lol, simmer down. Union Scribe Mar 2013 #139

Lol...You simmer down whathehell Mar 2013 #141

"they" are the "people" who are "incapable" of "using" "scare quotes" in "moderation" Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #239

I remember pipoman Mar 2013 #36

All mammals have mammary glands, not tits Major Nikon Mar 2013 #40

Any of you people been outside the US? defacto7 Mar 2013 #42

+1 idwiyo Mar 2013 #132

Many times and in many countries. whathehell Apr 2013 #256

It happens there... defacto7 Apr 2013 #270

False equivalence whathehell Apr 2013 #286

Apparently you haven't heard of "thigh gap" duffyduff Mar 2013 #43

Wow. I didn't know what you were talking about so I looked it up. Evoman Mar 2013 #123

It's not my taste, still... I can think of far dumber things to obsess over. Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #215

huh? Evoman Apr 2013 #228

Not unless you're someone else. Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #237

This message was self-deleted by its author Orrex Mar 2013 #138

nothing wrong Niceguy1 Mar 2013 #47

actually dogs do not have tits hfojvt Mar 2013 #48

isn't the proper term "teat"? Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #218

That's what I've been thinking this entire thread n/t Fumesucker Apr 2013 #229

To remove sexual passion (aka fetishism) from life cbrer Mar 2013 #49

Tits are fun. Cary Mar 2013 #69

Tits are fun. Big tits are more fun. hay rick Mar 2013 #83

Actually they're all fun. Cary Mar 2013 #120

Nah. Small-uns. randome Mar 2013 #174

Did anybody say TITS? nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #72

Judging a society's "openness" by how crudely it speaks about sex and body parts is silly. whathehell Mar 2013 #176

Alas I am not saying it's open or closed nadinbrzezinski Mar 2013 #177

But, alas, you connected it, originally, to crude sexual terms, so whathehell Apr 2013 #187

Whatever, I stated what it is nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #191

Oh, I see. In your view, I'm out of line "taking command of the language", when we know, of course whathehell Apr 2013 #250

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #79

I basically agree with you. But the part in italics seems a bit excessive/unnecessary. nomorenomore08 Mar 2013 #110

To be honest, sometimes I just write random shit for the hell of it. Warren DeMontague Mar 2013 #121

I heard ya. Sometimes the words just keep flowing. nomorenomore08 Mar 2013 #122

Finding someone physically attractive is normal... Deep13 Mar 2013 #80

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #203

well, yeah, but it's within the context of the objectifying... Deep13 Apr 2013 #223

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #224

Think what you want. Deep13 Apr 2013 #235

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #238

But I think it's quite a bit more involved than just individual attraction. nomorenomore08 Apr 2013 #264

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #271

I basically agree with you. And as I said, I don't find invidual attraction problematic at all. nomorenomore08 Apr 2013 #274

I have been a Democrat Go Vols Mar 2013 #91

There's a strange dichotomy in American society RE: certain body parts. nomorenomore08 Mar 2013 #93

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Mar 2013 #95

I can see your dirty pillows!! tabasco Mar 2013 #179

And why is baring tits in the Western world viewed as an amazing political statement. Luminous Animal Mar 2013 #98

My matriarchal family is like, oh, baby is hungry. hunter Mar 2013 #101

LOL! I saw that... MineralMan Mar 2013 #151

There is a more base instinct to adieu Mar 2013 #112

plus they are sexual Niceguy1 Mar 2013 #126

There's a wide range between obsession and phobia, and I'm pretty sure babies are immune to both. nt Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #129

Ehh they're soooo 2012. Fearless Mar 2013 #114

Post removed Post removed Mar 2013 #115

As one of the apparently tiny minority of men that are not mesmerized by them, I say, good question. Egalitarian Thug Mar 2013 #128

I need to bleach my brain now after reading what you said about human milk. ewwwww idwiyo Mar 2013 #133

Why do you have to use the crudest terms possible? whathehell Mar 2013 #135

As a woman, I find the word "tits" less crude and more mature than the words RiffRandell Mar 2013 #145

Do you find it less crude and more mature than "breasts"? whathehell Mar 2013 #146

The same. RiffRandell Mar 2013 #147

It certainly isn't "the same". whathehell Mar 2013 #169

Oh my, this is what this is about nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #193

Glad you're finally getting it.. whathehell Apr 2013 #242

Whoosh!!!! nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #243

Yeah, I figured that was going to be little hard for you refute, LOL whathehell Apr 2013 #244

And now we go to personal attacks. nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #245

And now we go to false accusations of "personal attacks" whathehell Apr 2013 #246

Good bye nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #247

LOL! whathehell Apr 2013 #248

Actually, I don't think anyone is considering that defacto7 Mar 2013 #160

Well, maybe they should consider that whathehell Mar 2013 #168

This OP and the chervilant Apr 2013 #266

Thank you...You are SPOT on, but like you, I have little faith in the DU multitude "getting it". whathehell Apr 2013 #287

Why? Yours is post 135. Just sayin' n/t lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #172

So what? whathehell Mar 2013 #175

Lighten up Francis. lumberjack_jeff Mar 2013 #180

Francis, you lighten up. whathehell Apr 2013 #183

the bombing of the moon was not just a physical act, but a symbolic one. Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #204

But the XOMG feels so right! UnrepentantLiberal Mar 2013 #140

Why do you use the crudest term possible?..Trying to be "one of the boys", Lol? whathehell Mar 2013 #142

you asked that like twice snooper2 Mar 2013 #153

why not? datasuspect Mar 2013 #143

Some people fetishize feet. 99Forever Mar 2013 #144

Yah. Men have tits, too, complete with nipples. MineralMan Mar 2013 #148

I am still waiting for the "intelligent design" crowd to explain that one. Nt Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #302

Everything is fetishized. randome Mar 2013 #149

I like tits, tits are nice, all tits are nice. nt bemildred Mar 2013 #150

Message auto-removed april dreamweaver Mar 2013 #156

As one adolescent girl I know exclaimed, LWolf Mar 2013 #157

I'm more of a legs man, Jamaal510 Mar 2013 #158

In the name of inter-species equality, all domesticated animals should be required Coyotl Mar 2013 #161

Agree. polly7 Mar 2013 #167

I feel so much safer now. Coyotl Mar 2013 #178

Oh my...500 for a bathing suit nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #194

"modified sebaceous glands" snagglepuss Mar 2013 #163

Seriously? Well, here's how far back you'd have to go for your answer: WinkyDink Mar 2013 #164

Not enough time breastfeeding felix_numinous Mar 2013 #165

Supposedly they signify a healthy women subconsciously Rex Mar 2013 #166

I actually do think that stuff is true. Arugula Latte Apr 2013 #200

So many people believe it that they have books full of studies Rex Apr 2013 #261

They are a secondary sex characteristic Aerows Mar 2013 #171

Based on pipi_k Mar 2013 #173

Because when boys turn 11 or 12 they start bumping into walls when they see them. Zax2me Mar 2013 #181

Better question... ElboRuum Mar 2013 #182

Positively Infantile Preoccupation with Bosoms CBGLuthier Apr 2013 #184

Because they're WONDERFUL. GaYellowDawg Apr 2013 #185

Sex Starts with Instinct Left Turn Only Apr 2013 #186

OK, I'll bite(no double entondre meant, and anyway,... Ferretherder Apr 2013 #188

Most things aren't black-and-white. Sexual attraction especially. nomorenomore08 Apr 2013 #259

Oh well, There it is, anyway. Ferretherder Apr 2013 #275

Who has the jury results for this thread? Capt. Obvious Apr 2013 #189

Mommy issues. Zoeisright Apr 2013 #190

Good point. I'll choose to stop being attracted to big breasts. NT el_bryanto Apr 2013 #192

if they're big enough, you'll have no choice. Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #197

I must be more of a nerd than I thought. Because I actually found that funny. nomorenomore08 Apr 2013 #257

Biology. sir pball Apr 2013 #201

Even mountains have tits Life Long Dem Apr 2013 #205

and they should be ashamed of themselves, for enabling "the patriarchy"! Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #206

If you ask me, our bodies were meant to be played with and have fun Taverner Apr 2013 #210

I'm happy with whatever makes other people happy in the context of a consensual adult relationship. stevenleser Apr 2013 #212

Sir Mix A Lot said it best. Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #216

Because they are a sexual feature of women AgingAmerican Apr 2013 #214

Because they are awesome!! cbdo2007 Apr 2013 #217

"Kinky is using a feather, perverted is using the whole chicken." Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #225

"if you think about it" a lot of things humans do are "gross" Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #219

Because we were all once babies marshall Apr 2013 #221

Why do DUers insist on writing about "tits"? JNelson6563 Apr 2013 #226

I think DU has become a 'safe zone' for 'naughty' words. randome Apr 2013 #231

It's become a Locker Room whathehell Apr 2013 #252

I want to know why cats are so fetishized. Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #227

Cuz cats are hot zappaman Apr 2013 #230

I'll admit it, I'm a cataholic. Can't get enough of the stuff. Arugula Latte Apr 2013 #263

I like cats, but cat pictures are way funnier than most actual cats. Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #269

Why? Occulus Apr 2013 #232

no idea d_b Apr 2013 #234

I imagine it's due to America's vast preponderance of the Man-Child LanternWaste Apr 2013 #236

Or it could be due to people Bonobo Apr 2013 #240

Hey, mind if I take a second of your time? Preponderance is used correctly in their sentence. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #251

No, not really. Bonobo Apr 2013 #262

You are actually very right. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #265

I refuse to wear a bra in my house unless we have company over. liberal_at_heart Apr 2013 #249

Well I have to say I have cow tits. I'd love to give them away. I see no advantage to having them. southernyankeebelle Apr 2013 #253

Why do some women think men seeing breasts takes something away from them? nt Bonobo Apr 2013 #272

Why do so many men view a woman's breasts as public property that they have a "right" to see? whathehell Apr 2013 #290

I've always been an ass man myself. MrSlayer Apr 2013 #276

physical attraction is a part of what brings people together. There is no denying it. liberal_at_heart Apr 2013 #282

I think I saw your car the other day. Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #284

because they are awesome arely staircase Apr 2013 #277

Well, there is that. Deep13 Apr 2013 #280

I have only one personal negative stereotype of women arely staircase Apr 2013 #281

Also, they're always cold. (temperature, not personalities) Deep13 Apr 2013 #283

Guilty as charged. Arugula Latte Apr 2013 #295

This works quaker bill Apr 2013 #304

I think that they are less fetishized than they are fetish. Orsino Apr 2013 #288

Everything is fetishized by somebody. dawg Apr 2013 #291

I actually think "fetishized" is another sort of nonsense term. Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #300

I think it's just because they're a secondary sex characteristic n/t gollygee Apr 2013 #305