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3. Freaking control freaks everywhere! K&R nt

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CA: Bill introduced to legally equate e-cigs to cigarettes. [View all] MindPilot Apr 2013 OP

Total nonsense! haikugal Apr 2013 #1

Senate majority leader Ellen Corbett MindPilot Apr 2013 #11

Thank You... haikugal Apr 2013 #19

huge taxes? robinlynne Apr 2013 #44

That's what I'm thinking... haikugal Apr 2013 #50

Nailed it! trayfoot Apr 2013 #51

The manufacturers sued the govt. for the right to be classified as a tobacco product. pnwmom Apr 2013 #164

:facepalm: jeff47 Apr 2013 #2

Freaking control freaks everywhere! K&R nt Mnemosyne Apr 2013 #3

Well I don't want people blowing their smoke or vapors in MY face!!!! alp227 Apr 2013 #149

You can't blow 'vapors' in your face Matariki Apr 2013 #162

Ecigs in no way violate your right to breathe Marrah_G Apr 2013 #169

Read this link & reconsider... alp227 Apr 2013 #170

Not one thing in that paragraph changes anything I said Marrah_G Apr 2013 #174

"Absent any proof" being the key phase here Matariki Apr 2013 #175

Tons of proof aikanae Apr 2013 #191

A lightly scented deodorant, hell, baby powder smells stronger than an e-cig, seriously. And I hope Mnemosyne Apr 2013 #189

Just in the last couple months I am seeing more of these. Paul E Ester Apr 2013 #4

You're right, they're not equal to cigarettes. Mariana Apr 2013 #43

Do the e-cig vapors release nicotine into the air? JimDandy Apr 2013 #152

I really don't know if any of them emit nicotine. Mariana Apr 2013 #153

Did you know the reason they are regulated as tobacco products pnwmom Apr 2013 #167

See post 117 N/T beevul Apr 2013 #158

These are not cigarettes... haikugal Apr 2013 #5

people I know who use E-cigs Skittles Apr 2013 #23

Assholes.... haikugal Apr 2013 #26

I just got an E cig set up for my son's mother tavalon Apr 2013 #81

I had already quit before E-cig availability Skittles Apr 2013 #105

Post removed Post removed Apr 2013 #100

They expel chemicals into the air, invisibly. onehandle Apr 2013 #6

No, the people not considering them a health hazard actually have an idea of what nicotine's LD50 is jeff47 Apr 2013 #17

Nobody is breathing caffeine in my face. onehandle Apr 2013 #21

Nobody is breathing nicotine in your face either. jeff47 Apr 2013 #27

'Absorbs the nicotine' onehandle Apr 2013 #33

Wow....that was utterly dumb. jeff47 Apr 2013 #35

... opiate69 Apr 2013 #38

All of those are poison to me... haikugal Apr 2013 #29

You may not know what you are talking about ... Newest Reality Apr 2013 #69

You've never had someone breath coffee smell all over you? tavalon Apr 2013 #82

You then apply the same standard to colognes and perfumes, LanternWaste Apr 2013 #99

snuff or chew? notadmblnd Apr 2013 #101

It's just got the wrong letter in front of it.. X_Digger Apr 2013 #137

Many of these are available SoCalNative Apr 2013 #134

Really? haikugal Apr 2013 #20

Nothing like car exhausts, at all, whatsoever. phleshdef Apr 2013 #68

How many car exhausts have you seen... beevul Apr 2013 #72

ROLLING ON THE FLOOR LAUGHING MY ASS OFF snooper2 Apr 2013 #89

Your ignorance is amusing Floyd_Gondolli Apr 2013 #92

IT'S TEH CHEMTRAILS! slackmaster Apr 2013 #116

perfectly reasonable - you suck in nicotine then blow it back out...poisons everyone around you nt msongs Apr 2013 #7

Except that it is not the nicotine in cigarettes that is the poison. nt Bonobo Apr 2013 #9

And multiple studies failed to find ANYTHING harmful to bystanders from the exhaled vapor. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2013 #16

Puritanism Bonobo Apr 2013 #22

Perfect! Lizzie Poppet Apr 2013 #25

Thanks for this post... haikugal Apr 2013 #24

They thought they could slip this through with such ignorance. Life Long Dem Apr 2013 #59

You should blame the manufacturers, who forced the govt. to classify e-cigs pnwmom Apr 2013 #166

"Nicotine; an alkaloid poison that occurs in tobacco" bhikkhu Apr 2013 #40

Yes, of course. Bonobo Apr 2013 #48

If it took you that long Floyd_Gondolli Apr 2013 #94

then you would also be for banning patches and gum? notadmblnd Apr 2013 #102

I'm not for banning anything bhikkhu Apr 2013 #106

Cigarettes have pretty much been banned from all public places notadmblnd Apr 2013 #107

If heroine were legal, I still wouldn't want to see people shooting up in the park bhikkhu Apr 2013 #108

how "self destructive are they? beevul Apr 2013 #112

Heart disease is the leading cause of death in the US bhikkhu Apr 2013 #113

Your link... beevul Apr 2013 #122

Nicotine addiction is the problem bhikkhu Apr 2013 #126

Thats an opinion. beevul Apr 2013 #133

This message was self-deleted by its author tones fucyes Apr 2013 #131

Bad analogy. Heroin addicts can use methadone for harm reduction. Cal Carpenter Apr 2013 #120

caffeine is the most abused drug sigmasix Apr 2013 #138

I think the existing level of regulation and restriction of cigarettes is adequate bhikkhu Apr 2013 #160

it's good to see you agree with me sigmasix Apr 2013 #163

Straw man argument alert! TeamPooka Apr 2013 #143

Well chewing gum and picking your nose are nasty habits too notadmblnd Apr 2013 #156

Are you a creationist? haikugal Apr 2013 #34

You dont blow out nicotine. you blow out vapor. i.e. water. robinlynne Apr 2013 #46

And they have e-cigs without nicotine Politicalboi Apr 2013 #58

Do you just copy and paste that response on multiple threads? Capt. Obvious Apr 2013 #93

More legislative fuckwittery in the Golden State. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2013 #8

"legislative fuckwittery" MindPilot Apr 2013 #15

I'm flattered! Lizzie Poppet Apr 2013 #18

I love it! I am stealing it to tweet to Bryn Apr 2013 #32

Go for it! Lizzie Poppet Apr 2013 #57

Yeah, Moses2SandyKoufax Apr 2013 #47

Yes, because pointing a mistake... Lizzie Poppet Apr 2013 #55

Your title: "More legislative fuckwittery in the Golden State" Moses2SandyKoufax Apr 2013 #61

LOL haikugal Apr 2013 #62

Sounds like on this particular issue...YES! onpatrol98 Apr 2013 #77

Of course they did, they learned that if you can call them cigs, you can tax them like cigs. n/t hughee99 Apr 2013 #150

Ah, now that makes sense! Lizzie Poppet Apr 2013 #154

They produce a Newest Reality Apr 2013 #10

Then continue to use them where you used to smoke. Simple! n-t Logical Apr 2013 #14

Pssst - some vendors already sell covers for the "lights". Mariana Apr 2013 #49

I can attest to that!! haikugal Apr 2013 #60

Right you are. beevul Apr 2013 #74

Oh, very nice. Mariana Apr 2013 #76

My SO and I started out the the 808s. beevul Apr 2013 #79

I do refill my own, and I haven't tried Vermillion River. Mariana Apr 2013 #80

Cool! Cal Carpenter Apr 2013 #103

I changed over to e-cig two years ago Bryn Apr 2013 #12

Good idea! The smokers/Vaporizers can smoke at home or outside. n-t Logical Apr 2013 #13

Sure! As long as you ignore the contents of the bill. jeff47 Apr 2013 #30

But the mysterious, magical, undetectable "vapors" could still drift Bonobo Apr 2013 #31

And we thought Reefer Madness was bad....LOL haikugal Apr 2013 #36

Interesting that ... Trajan Apr 2013 #178

"Nanny State" trayfoot Apr 2013 #28

Not sure this has anything to do with "Nanny State" per se Sheepshank Apr 2013 #123

Do you have a link to the laws you're referring to? beevul Apr 2013 #124

have some info on post #125 Sheepshank Apr 2013 #128

Thank you. N/T beevul Apr 2013 #129

If people use them like cigarettes... bhikkhu Apr 2013 #37

So....... trayfoot Apr 2013 #39

Gum is used like gum bhikkhu Apr 2013 #41

Then are you saying that trayfoot Apr 2013 #45

A good point, I know bhikkhu Apr 2013 #67

But they're not used like cigarettes at all. Mariana Apr 2013 #53

You suck on a tube, and nicotine is delivered into your bloodstream bhikkhu Apr 2013 #114

Except some of them have no nicotine whatsoever. Mariana Apr 2013 #118

what about 0% nic e-juice energumen Apr 2013 #119

Do you understand the difference between water vapor/fog and smoke? TeamPooka Apr 2013 #145

why on earth? robinlynne Apr 2013 #42

Yes riverbendviewgal Apr 2013 #52

Interesting because all my nonsmoking friends say they can't smell anything when I smoke them. Luminous Animal Apr 2013 #65

Same here and I have a real sensitive nose when it comes to cigarettes. tavalon Apr 2013 #83

I smoke my e-cig at work and nobody knows. tridim Apr 2013 #151

I'm still amazed at how no one notices the e-cigs. Mariana Apr 2013 #155

It is possible Cal Carpenter Apr 2013 #104

Fucking stupid! backscatter712 Apr 2013 #54

Agreed Floyd_Gondolli Apr 2013 #95

Yes! And ban saunas, steam pipes and bedside vaporizers too! Doremus Apr 2013 #56

AND it stinks!!!! haikugal Apr 2013 #64

Yes, and down with humidity too!! Doremus Apr 2013 #66

Just more authoritarian, nanny state bullshit. MrSlayer Apr 2013 #63

Authoritarian is authoritarian. Left/Right isn't really significant in the way you are thinking TheKentuckian Apr 2013 #85

Some information on whats in E-juice. beevul Apr 2013 #70

I just wonder Joanie Baloney Apr 2013 #71

Bingo! Little Star Apr 2013 #127

betcha the tobacco companies LOVE that bill arely staircase Apr 2013 #73

The tobacco companies SoCalNative Apr 2013 #136

There are fewer and fewer places for smokers to light up fujiyama Apr 2013 #75

Money, money, money madville Apr 2013 #78

They could be saving lives by encouraging e-cigs instead of cigarettes. dkf Apr 2013 #84

I hate it when democratic politicians do this shit. MindPilot Apr 2013 #86

+1000 OnionPatch Apr 2013 #110

Campaign donation? Big enough to look THIS STUPID? Festivito Apr 2013 #87

I've been evaping for years. I used it to quit smoking. I don't even use nicotine any longer, just OregonBlue Apr 2013 #88

Boy. The e-cigarette vendors in this thread are touchy. onehandle Apr 2013 #90

You got spanked by everyone for the ignorant statement you made in #6 DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2013 #109

On top of implying that multiples of us are vendors. beevul Apr 2013 #111

Straw man argument alert! TeamPooka Apr 2013 #146

Back off. I don't want any trouble. onehandle Apr 2013 #147

stick to facts and not straw man arguments full of projection and you will not be called out on it. TeamPooka Apr 2013 #148

WTF ...spitefull tobacco corps are behind this IMO. n/t L0oniX Apr 2013 #91

This is so fucked up Cal Carpenter Apr 2013 #96

Meanwhile, Fukushima is spewing radiation, and not only hitting California. Trillo Apr 2013 #97

Booo! Dragonbreathp9d Apr 2013 #98

More nanny-statism from the California legislature slackmaster Apr 2013 #115

Information on Nicotine exhaled from E-cigs. BalancedGoat Apr 2013 #117

and that is a closed space. Imagine a car exhaust in a closed space. robinlynne Apr 2013 #130

We don't really have to imagine car exhaust in a closed space. Mariana Apr 2013 #135

Fucking stupid... You must feel shame!!!! Sharpie Apr 2013 #121

interesting tid bit regarding e-cig evolution Sheepshank Apr 2013 #125

The one thing that actually helps me smoke less will become unaffordable. The result, for me will robinlynne Apr 2013 #132

Ths senator seems to have it in SoCalNative Apr 2013 #139

Oh no! I love my e-cig! eom prayin4rain Apr 2013 #140

so far, i'm for e-cigs shanti Apr 2013 #141

Many people are able to quit smoking immediately with e-cigs Mariana Apr 2013 #144

Water vapor is not smoke. nt TeamPooka Apr 2013 #142

"not in your district..." MindPilot Apr 2013 #157

Lame. zappaman Apr 2013 #159

Puritanism based not on facts but on not liking how smoking "looks" Matariki Apr 2013 #161

E-cigs must be regulated as tobacco products because the manufacturers won a lawsuit pnwmom Apr 2013 #165

That's a completely separate issue from using them in public Matariki Apr 2013 #171

No, it isn't. The smoking bans apply to all tobacco products that are smoked. pnwmom Apr 2013 #172

Yes, it IS. Water vapor is NOT second hand smoke. Matariki Apr 2013 #173

The CA ban on public smoking applies to tobacco products. pnwmom Apr 2013 #176

Okay, whatever. I don't actually care enough about this to research and post links. Matariki Apr 2013 #177

I'm someone with asthma who had to put up with smokers in my work environment. pnwmom Apr 2013 #179

And chewing tobacco is absolutely fucking disgusting. MindPilot Apr 2013 #182

I couldn't agree more. Matariki Apr 2013 #185

You must have posted this twenty times on this thread Trajan Apr 2013 #180

I responded to 3 posters (out of 180), not 20. pnwmom Apr 2013 #181

this'isn't about "they" Trajan Apr 2013 #183

For you, as a smoker, the benefits outweigh the risks. You will clearly be exposed pnwmom Apr 2013 #184

As much as you would like to simplify the process .. Trajan Apr 2013 #186

I think the corporations who want to sell nicotine delivery systems pnwmom Apr 2013 #188

You are highly misleading jamiea99 Apr 2013 #190

wtf Marrah_G Apr 2013 #168

I support smoking bans, but e-cig bans are just plain dumb Bjorn Against Apr 2013 #187