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MADem

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71. Like I said--ASPIRATIONAL....not the present state of being.

Wed Apr 3, 2013, 12:38 AM

Apr 2013

Surely you don't want there to NOT be "Justice for all?"

Don't you think making a pledge to offer such a thing to everyone, along with liberty, is a positive affirmation of a potential state of being?

It's all how you look at it--you can call it hypocritical, I can call it hopeful.

I don't disagree with Moyers, in that the pledge does not reflect the present situation, but if one approaches it as aspirational, as opposed to a didactic recitation of the way things are, it has a different vibe.

In short, my glass is half full. I'll continue to hope for liberty and justice for all.

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MOYERS: "The next time you say the Pledge of Allegiance � remember: it�s a lie. A whopper of a lie." [View all] kpete Apr 2013 OP

The time has come, Newest Reality Apr 2013 #1

Hear, hear. woo me with science Apr 2013 #2

Hear, hear to that. zeemike Apr 2013 #15

What an incredibly well thought-out... tex-wyo-dem Apr 2013 #18

Thanks so much! Newest Reality Apr 2013 #19

Excellent reply! n/t defacto7 Apr 2013 #66

Bill Moyers is a national treasure. nt woo me with science Apr 2013 #3

Indeed kenfrequed Apr 2013 #8

Possibly the next best thing to Molly Ivins lastlib Apr 2013 #16

Yes, he definitely is. I wish there were more of him though. sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #41

So glad he's back on the air. progressoid Apr 2013 #47

If Dubya had his way, the guy would have been given a one-way ticket to the MADem Apr 2013 #53

K&R forestpath Apr 2013 #4

I love Bill Moyers malaise Apr 2013 #5

K & R !!! WillyT Apr 2013 #6

k&r and thanks for posting rhett o rick Apr 2013 #7

K&R patrice Apr 2013 #9

Born in Oklahoma and raised in Texas KansDem Apr 2013 #10

I quit saying it after the Iraq war Live and Learn Apr 2013 #11

I quit saying it when the Supremes ruled in favor of the bushes. fasttense Apr 2013 #21

That hit me quite hard too. Live and Learn Apr 2013 #65

I stopped quacking it in the 1970s n/t defacto7 Apr 2013 #67

K&R Solly Mack Apr 2013 #12

K & R!!! LuckyLib Apr 2013 #13

Moyers has come a long way since his LBJ days byeya Apr 2013 #14

Bill Moyers is a national treasure. democrank Apr 2013 #17

i quit saying the pledge a long time ago madrchsod Apr 2013 #20

We're 68th! Woo Hoo abelenkpe Apr 2013 #22

We have a bus waiting for Mr. Moyers. He just does not understand today's dynamic Democratic Party. Safetykitten Apr 2013 #23

I sort of love you BrotherIvan Apr 2013 #30

I do say...that is the best.... ReRe Apr 2013 #33

K&R midnight Apr 2013 #79

I pledge DFW Apr 2013 #24

K&R redqueen Apr 2013 #25

This message was self-deleted by its author alfredo Apr 2013 #26

The original pledge was written by a Socialist. The phrase "Under God" was an election year alfredo Apr 2013 #27

+++++ haikugal Apr 2013 #29

Hear! Hear! ReRe Apr 2013 #34

Treat your population well you don't need to coerce them alfredo Apr 2013 #56

Exactly, alfredo! ReRe Apr 2013 #57

It's treated like a loyalty oath. alfredo Apr 2013 #60

This is a fact! n/t defacto7 Apr 2013 #68

Hundreds of retirees fleeced by Enron in 2000 are STILL waiting for 'justice' ... Myrina Apr 2013 #28

Thousands ReRe Apr 2013 #35

Iraq war is now 6 trillion; Afghanistan 3 trillion! grahamhgreen Apr 2013 #31

Frontline 2 has a program on PBS; this one titled, "10 Trillion and Counting", that is very good. DhhD Apr 2013 #50

Ten Thousand Ks and Ten Thousand Rs. JDPriestly Apr 2013 #32

I'll be damned- Bill Moyers is punk. Gregorian Apr 2013 #36

I didn't either and I am old enough to remember when the 'under god' phrase was inserted. byeya Apr 2013 #40

I always thought it was kind of silly to make vows to a piece of colored cloth or something as Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2013 #37

I take exception at the word republic... awoke_in_2003 Apr 2013 #38

Bill Moyers: A Pit Bull for Democracy! ReRe Apr 2013 #39

I was watching also. xxqqqzme Apr 2013 #46

Do you talk to your to your TV? ReRe Apr 2013 #54

The only prayer I ever remember xxqqqzme Apr 2013 #82

. libodem Apr 2013 #42

K & R Amonester Apr 2013 #43

As an Englishman in NC... mwooldri Apr 2013 #44

Presidential Medal of Freedom to Moyers NOW benld74 Apr 2013 #45

I quit saying it when I was 14 (38 years ago) because even then I knew CBGLuthier Apr 2013 #48

Seems to be The Wizard Apr 2013 #49

I stopped saying it on April 5, 1968. DeSwiss Apr 2013 #51

I prefer the original version--the politicians really screwed up the MADem Apr 2013 #52

Original version or not . . . markpkessinger Apr 2013 #61

Like I said--ASPIRATIONAL....not the present state of being. MADem Apr 2013 #71

That's what I think about the Pledge. amandabeech Apr 2013 #76

Hope springs eternal!! MADem Apr 2013 #77

Same back at ya! n/t amandabeech Apr 2013 #80

more fall-out from the reagan programme, which started defunding legal aid services and HiPointDem Apr 2013 #55

You just have to read it to know it's not true. demosincebirth Apr 2013 #58

It's not just the 'justice for all' amuse bouche Apr 2013 #59

Oh I always knew that it was, but I don't confuse nationalism Rex Apr 2013 #62

shared this on fb with a real cry of anguish about how it seems fascistic to say the pledge. SleeplessinSoCal Apr 2013 #63

Haven't said the Pledge of Allegiance in years and years. Flying Squirrel Apr 2013 #64

kick kick kick defacto7 Apr 2013 #69

And don't think I'll ever fucking forget it! lonestarnot Apr 2013 #70

the last seven words are a lie... SHRED Apr 2013 #72

Moyers is 100% Correct colsohlibgal Apr 2013 #73

"With liberty & never-ending indulgence for the rich & powerful." pacalo Apr 2013 #74

That really griped me too. UtahLib Apr 2013 #75

Thanks for remembering it, UtahLib! pacalo Apr 2013 #78

It's a pledge, not a description. MineralMan Apr 2013 #81

No truer words. alp227 Apr 2013 #83

I can't REC Moters enough. blackspade Apr 2013 #84