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In reply to the discussion: Fukushima Meltdown Driving Increased Abnormalities Among US Infants [View all]Bernardo de La Paz
(60,320 posts)28. All those who say bullshit: read the article. The highly respected Jim Hansen participated.
Yes, that Jim Hansen.
Very interesting article. Thanks for posting the link.
Pay attention folks and don't do the Right Wing thing of immediately poo-pooing something based on the headline and because it might contradict cherished hopes and illusions.
We always call out the Right Wing and Republicans, especially teabaggers, for denying scientific studies and reality. Don't fall into the same trap.
Excerpt (emphasis added by me):
The NASA researchers combined this information with historical energy generation data to estimate how many deaths would have been caused if fossil-fuel burning was used instead of nuclear power generation from 1971 to 2009. They similarly estimated that the use of nuclear power over that time caused 5,000 or so deaths, such as cancer deaths from radiation fallout and worker accidents. Comparing those two estimates, Kharecha and Hansen came up with the 1.8 million figure.
They next estimated the total number of deaths that could be prevented through nuclear power over the next four decades using available estimates of future nuclear use. Replacing all forecasted nuclear power use until 2050 with natural gas would cause an additional 420,000 deaths, whereas swapping it with coal, which produces significantly more pollution than gas, would mean about 7 million additional deaths. The study focused strictly on deaths, not long-term health issues that might shorten lives, and the authors did not attempt to estimate potential deaths tied to climate change.
Finally the pair compared carbon emissions from nuclear power to fossil fuel sources. They calculated that if coal or natural gas power had replaced nuclear energy from 1971 to 2009, the equivalent of an additional 64 gigatons of carbon would have reached the atmosphere. Looking forward, switching out nuclear for coal or natural gas power would lead to the release of 80 to 240 gigatons of additional carbon by 2050.
By comparison, previous climate studies suggest that the total allowable emissions between now and 2050 are about 500 gigatons of carbon. This level of emissions would keep atmospheric CO2 concentrations around 350 ppm, which would avoid detrimental warming.
They next estimated the total number of deaths that could be prevented through nuclear power over the next four decades using available estimates of future nuclear use. Replacing all forecasted nuclear power use until 2050 with natural gas would cause an additional 420,000 deaths, whereas swapping it with coal, which produces significantly more pollution than gas, would mean about 7 million additional deaths. The study focused strictly on deaths, not long-term health issues that might shorten lives, and the authors did not attempt to estimate potential deaths tied to climate change.
Finally the pair compared carbon emissions from nuclear power to fossil fuel sources. They calculated that if coal or natural gas power had replaced nuclear energy from 1971 to 2009, the equivalent of an additional 64 gigatons of carbon would have reached the atmosphere. Looking forward, switching out nuclear for coal or natural gas power would lead to the release of 80 to 240 gigatons of additional carbon by 2050.
By comparison, previous climate studies suggest that the total allowable emissions between now and 2050 are about 500 gigatons of carbon. This level of emissions would keep atmospheric CO2 concentrations around 350 ppm, which would avoid detrimental warming.
http://cen.acs.org/articles/91/web/2013/04/Nuclear-Power-Prevents-Deaths-Causes.html
Note: The study compares fossil fuels to nuclear. It does not compare non-carbon renewable energy. Nor does it compare carbon renewable energy (bio-fuels), which would allow some global warming compared to non-carbon energy, in the medium term, until the bio-fuel carbon sequestration cycle kicks in. Furthermore, carbon renewable energy systems are not perfect for health in all ways and would contribute deaths too.
Bottom line: Things would be much worse if nuclear hadn't come along.
Bottom bottom line: Fortunately switching out entirely to NG or coal ain't gonna happen and shouldn't happen, though more coal and NG plants will be built in parts of the world.
Bottom bottom bottom line: Renewable energy in the form of hydro, solar, and wind must be increased, and it will take investment and commitment the right wing will try to block, but renewable non-carbon is just not going to pick up all the slack in the next 37 years. Sorry.
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Public Relations. Read the pro-Nuclear takes on the accidents at Fukushima and Chernobyl...
Junkdrawer
Apr 2013
#23
Increased radiation levels were measured from Chernobyl as far away as Florida
davidn3600
Apr 2013
#15
Well ... she is an expert in pediatrics and has been studying radiation for quite some time.
Buzz Clik
Apr 2013
#95
I notice that she has a handful of anti-nuclear letters in scientific journals.
Buzz Clik
Apr 2013
#167
do you have an example? It would save me an hour of watching the YouTube video.
Buzz Clik
Apr 2013
#165
Well, coal really is dirty and deadly. And if our only choice was dirty coal or nuclear....
Junkdrawer
Apr 2013
#10
Nuclear Energy is the solution to the energy crisis just like caviar is the solution to world hunger
Junkdrawer
Apr 2013
#12
Cut out the massive taxpayer subsidies that nuclear has gotten, and is getting, and you'd find
byeya
Apr 2013
#14
Did you read the article in C&E News in the opening comment of this subthread?
Buzz Clik
Apr 2013
#161
And your opinion is worth exactly as much time as you put into defending it: nothing, in this case.
Bernardo de La Paz
Apr 2013
#33
All those who say bullshit: read the article. The highly respected Jim Hansen participated.
Bernardo de La Paz
Apr 2013
#28
You are quite welcome. I love DU when people get into analysis and reasoned debate. nt
Bernardo de La Paz
Apr 2013
#37
You have your reading comprehension wrong & you don't grasp I said nothing in favour of nuclear. nt
Bernardo de La Paz
Apr 2013
#169
... because we are not Denmark and the Republicans are not Denmarkian, for starters. nt
Bernardo de La Paz
Apr 2013
#185
+1, except I'd use "cost trendline" instead of "learning curve". nt
Bernardo de La Paz
Apr 2013
#189
But renewable non-carbon is just not going to pick up all the slack in the next 37 years???
roomtomove
Apr 2013
#127
Aside from thyroid problems, those with high doses in Japan will be susceptible to
Dustlawyer
Apr 2013
#16
Yeah, I guessed it would be those 2; I think they're more dishonest than Andrew Wakefield
muriel_volestrangler
Apr 2013
#49
All about genes; nothing about vaccines; that doesn't vindicate Wakefield in the slightest
muriel_volestrangler
Apr 2013
#98
The MIT researchers did nothing more than pass along industry claims uncritically.
kristopher
Apr 2013
#176
Peer review so judicious, the same company accepted a paper generated by a random text generator...
SidDithers
Apr 2013
#206
A fictional web posting about a fictional academic at a fictional academic institution?
kristopher
Apr 2013
#209
It's a nice big article about correlation with enough science-y terms to make people think it's
Brickbat
Apr 2013
#54
The pediatrics paper is published in an open journal where you pay to get published.
Bernardo de La Paz
Apr 2013
#94
That is not at all unusual and says nothing about the quality of the publication.
kristopher
Apr 2013
#143
Plenty of bullets already upthread: data cherry picking is a big one. Bogus paper. nt
Bernardo de La Paz
Apr 2013
#170
yes, I prefer to get my information from the consensus of the scientific community as a whole.
liberal_at_heart
Apr 2013
#121
And if their moms had just laid in a supply of aseptic milk as directed....
Brother Buzz
Apr 2013
#61
The use and proliferation of nuclear energy/weapons will prove to be the stupidest endeavor
Zorra
Apr 2013
#59
Interesting. So my granddaughter was in kindergarten in Germany when Chernobyl happened. Does that
jwirr
Apr 2013
#65
Talked with her mother and it seems that three generations have this problem. Grandma was never near
jwirr
Apr 2013
#122
How am i being irrational? by purchasing a gieger counter, which i shouldve bought a long time ago?
darkangel218
Apr 2013
#86
You obviously read this thread too, and saw i talked about Chernobyl and how unsafe nuclear plants
darkangel218
Apr 2013
#102
There are a hundred or more power plants in the US and many more all over the world.
darkangel218
Apr 2013
#106
The highest possible exposure on the West coast is thousands of times lower?????????
roomtomove
Apr 2013
#128