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JoePhilly

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140. We've negotiated agreements in which there is not full immunity before.

Wed Apr 3, 2013, 03:34 PM

Apr 2013

If we wanted our troops to stay, we could have done so again.

You seem to be confusing "total immunity" with "total local jurisdiction". Those are the extreme ends of the scale, not the only two points on it.

We have agreements with other countries where are troops do not have total immunity, but the local government does not have total jurisdiction either. The details of the agreement land between those extremes.

If Obama really wanted the troops to stay, the administration could have negotiated to a point between those extremes, and the troops would still be there.

But that did not happen. And there was no need for it to happen, because we were in fact, leaving.

Your argument about GITMO and about Bush and torture and executions, while hyperbolic, don't help advance the argument that "Obama really wanted to continue the Iraq war".

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Kissinger's made a mockery of it n/t Gore1FL Apr 2013 #52

Absolutely. Kissinger first. n/t Bolo Boffin Apr 2013 #152

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I heard exactly that in a talk given by loyalsister Apr 2013 #5

I dont know who that person is. and in what way is my post disrespectful? darkangel218 Apr 2013 #6

A 1976 Nobel prize winner loyalsister Apr 2013 #10

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Huge difference between where, and why Macguire was organizing in Ireland, MadHound Apr 2013 #38

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What do you think? davidpdx Apr 2013 #27

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Right wing lie. JoePhilly Apr 2013 #16

They hate POTUS so much that some lefties want to credit Bush more than Obama for ending Iraq! alcibiades_mystery Apr 2013 #30

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Obama was trying to keep troops in Iraq past the deadline. OnyxCollie Apr 2013 #71

So your claim is that .... Obama wanted to keep troops in Iraq forever ... but an JoePhilly Apr 2013 #88

Can you read? OnyxCollie Apr 2013 #93

I read quite well ... and I think too ... think about this ... JoePhilly Apr 2013 #132

I put stock in what the diplomatic cables say. OnyxCollie Apr 2013 #135

We've negotiated agreements in which there is not full immunity before. JoePhilly Apr 2013 #140

I'm not going to waste any more of my time OnyxCollie Apr 2013 #141

Obama said he'd get us out, and he did JoePhilly Apr 2013 #142

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President Obama complied with the 2008 SOFA Agreement for withdrawal of American troops bvar22 Apr 2013 #148

Yet another Obama-hater post. Trashing. nt. OldDem2012 Apr 2013 #9

Right behind you. Bobbie Jo Apr 2013 #11

me too riverbendviewgal Apr 2013 #66

I'm a war hater whatchamacallit Apr 2013 #99

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The online group that no one has ever heard of is Roots Action sparky. JoePhilly Apr 2013 #26

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Awe, now I'm sad. JoePhilly Apr 2013 #31

He/she spent so much time compiling that meaningless list alcibiades_mystery Apr 2013 #35

That's not fair ... CommonDreams is ... JoePhilly Apr 2013 #41

thank you for being informed riverbendviewgal Apr 2013 #65

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For about the 500th time ... AtomicKitten Apr 2013 #19

thank you! undeterred Apr 2013 #24

+1. n/t FSogol Apr 2013 #56

One word: Kissinger baldguy Apr 2013 #20

I had already signed the petition for Bradley Manning to receive it. ananda Apr 2013 #22

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ROFL alcibiades_mystery Apr 2013 #40

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you wish. spanone Apr 2013 #47

Why yes, the dear op does wish. Fervently. cali Apr 2013 #50

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...as the tiny fists flail in impotent rage... dionysus Apr 2013 #67

fists of rage Enrique Apr 2013 #154

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Not being on the Nobel Prize Committee, I'm unable to tell you MineralMan Apr 2013 #112

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Celebrating Obama's Nobel Peace Prize and his efforts in the spirit of the award. ProSense Apr 2013 #72

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No. End of discussion. onenote Apr 2013 #78

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Kicky kicky n/t 99Forever Apr 2013 #86

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The facts rust the prize medal. n/t alp227 Apr 2013 #133

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Give the Prize to Private Manning. ~nt 99th_Monkey Apr 2013 #143

Post removed Post removed Apr 2013 #147

I sometimes wonder Summer Hathaway Apr 2013 #153

This OP is about ProSense Apr 2013 #155