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beevul

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112. how "self destructive are they?

Wed Apr 3, 2013, 09:46 PM

Apr 2013

"If heroine were legal, I still wouldn't want to see people shooting up in the park"

Uh huh, because what you see when someone takes a puff and exhales vapor, is in the same category as seeing someone stick a needle in their arm and shoot up, right? Hyperbole much?

How "self destructive" are they? You asserted it, you need to substantiate it.

"I wouldn't want my kids teachers to smoke in class, smokeless or not, and I wouldn't want to see nicotine more freely available or socially acceptable to openly use. Its a nasty addiction."

When you remove the tobacco and the combustion, and reduce it to vapor, theres nothing nasty about it.

"I don't want to see it/I don't want my kids to see it" - which is the only thing really substantiated by you thus far, doesn't cut it.

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CA: Bill introduced to legally equate e-cigs to cigarettes. [View all] MindPilot Apr 2013 OP

Total nonsense! haikugal Apr 2013 #1

Senate majority leader Ellen Corbett MindPilot Apr 2013 #11

Thank You... haikugal Apr 2013 #19

huge taxes? robinlynne Apr 2013 #44

That's what I'm thinking... haikugal Apr 2013 #50

Nailed it! trayfoot Apr 2013 #51

The manufacturers sued the govt. for the right to be classified as a tobacco product. pnwmom Apr 2013 #164

:facepalm: jeff47 Apr 2013 #2

Freaking control freaks everywhere! K&R nt Mnemosyne Apr 2013 #3

Well I don't want people blowing their smoke or vapors in MY face!!!! alp227 Apr 2013 #149

You can't blow 'vapors' in your face Matariki Apr 2013 #162

Ecigs in no way violate your right to breathe Marrah_G Apr 2013 #169

Read this link & reconsider... alp227 Apr 2013 #170

Not one thing in that paragraph changes anything I said Marrah_G Apr 2013 #174

"Absent any proof" being the key phase here Matariki Apr 2013 #175

Tons of proof aikanae Apr 2013 #191

A lightly scented deodorant, hell, baby powder smells stronger than an e-cig, seriously. And I hope Mnemosyne Apr 2013 #189

Just in the last couple months I am seeing more of these. Paul E Ester Apr 2013 #4

You're right, they're not equal to cigarettes. Mariana Apr 2013 #43

Do the e-cig vapors release nicotine into the air? JimDandy Apr 2013 #152

I really don't know if any of them emit nicotine. Mariana Apr 2013 #153

Did you know the reason they are regulated as tobacco products pnwmom Apr 2013 #167

See post 117 N/T beevul Apr 2013 #158

These are not cigarettes... haikugal Apr 2013 #5

people I know who use E-cigs Skittles Apr 2013 #23

Assholes.... haikugal Apr 2013 #26

I just got an E cig set up for my son's mother tavalon Apr 2013 #81

I had already quit before E-cig availability Skittles Apr 2013 #105

Post removed Post removed Apr 2013 #100

They expel chemicals into the air, invisibly. onehandle Apr 2013 #6

No, the people not considering them a health hazard actually have an idea of what nicotine's LD50 is jeff47 Apr 2013 #17

Nobody is breathing caffeine in my face. onehandle Apr 2013 #21

Nobody is breathing nicotine in your face either. jeff47 Apr 2013 #27

'Absorbs the nicotine' onehandle Apr 2013 #33

Wow....that was utterly dumb. jeff47 Apr 2013 #35

... opiate69 Apr 2013 #38

All of those are poison to me... haikugal Apr 2013 #29

You may not know what you are talking about ... Newest Reality Apr 2013 #69

You've never had someone breath coffee smell all over you? tavalon Apr 2013 #82

You then apply the same standard to colognes and perfumes, LanternWaste Apr 2013 #99

snuff or chew? notadmblnd Apr 2013 #101

It's just got the wrong letter in front of it.. X_Digger Apr 2013 #137

Many of these are available SoCalNative Apr 2013 #134

Really? haikugal Apr 2013 #20

Nothing like car exhausts, at all, whatsoever. phleshdef Apr 2013 #68

How many car exhausts have you seen... beevul Apr 2013 #72

ROLLING ON THE FLOOR LAUGHING MY ASS OFF snooper2 Apr 2013 #89

Your ignorance is amusing Floyd_Gondolli Apr 2013 #92

IT'S TEH CHEMTRAILS! slackmaster Apr 2013 #116

perfectly reasonable - you suck in nicotine then blow it back out...poisons everyone around you nt msongs Apr 2013 #7

Except that it is not the nicotine in cigarettes that is the poison. nt Bonobo Apr 2013 #9

And multiple studies failed to find ANYTHING harmful to bystanders from the exhaled vapor. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2013 #16

Puritanism Bonobo Apr 2013 #22

Perfect! Lizzie Poppet Apr 2013 #25

Thanks for this post... haikugal Apr 2013 #24

They thought they could slip this through with such ignorance. Life Long Dem Apr 2013 #59

You should blame the manufacturers, who forced the govt. to classify e-cigs pnwmom Apr 2013 #166

"Nicotine; an alkaloid poison that occurs in tobacco" bhikkhu Apr 2013 #40

Yes, of course. Bonobo Apr 2013 #48

If it took you that long Floyd_Gondolli Apr 2013 #94

then you would also be for banning patches and gum? notadmblnd Apr 2013 #102

I'm not for banning anything bhikkhu Apr 2013 #106

Cigarettes have pretty much been banned from all public places notadmblnd Apr 2013 #107

If heroine were legal, I still wouldn't want to see people shooting up in the park bhikkhu Apr 2013 #108

how "self destructive are they? beevul Apr 2013 #112

Heart disease is the leading cause of death in the US bhikkhu Apr 2013 #113

Your link... beevul Apr 2013 #122

Nicotine addiction is the problem bhikkhu Apr 2013 #126

Thats an opinion. beevul Apr 2013 #133

This message was self-deleted by its author tones fucyes Apr 2013 #131

Bad analogy. Heroin addicts can use methadone for harm reduction. Cal Carpenter Apr 2013 #120

caffeine is the most abused drug sigmasix Apr 2013 #138

I think the existing level of regulation and restriction of cigarettes is adequate bhikkhu Apr 2013 #160

it's good to see you agree with me sigmasix Apr 2013 #163

Straw man argument alert! TeamPooka Apr 2013 #143

Well chewing gum and picking your nose are nasty habits too notadmblnd Apr 2013 #156

Are you a creationist? haikugal Apr 2013 #34

You dont blow out nicotine. you blow out vapor. i.e. water. robinlynne Apr 2013 #46

And they have e-cigs without nicotine Politicalboi Apr 2013 #58

Do you just copy and paste that response on multiple threads? Capt. Obvious Apr 2013 #93

More legislative fuckwittery in the Golden State. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2013 #8

"legislative fuckwittery" MindPilot Apr 2013 #15

I'm flattered! Lizzie Poppet Apr 2013 #18

I love it! I am stealing it to tweet to Bryn Apr 2013 #32

Go for it! Lizzie Poppet Apr 2013 #57

Yeah, Moses2SandyKoufax Apr 2013 #47

Yes, because pointing a mistake... Lizzie Poppet Apr 2013 #55

Your title: "More legislative fuckwittery in the Golden State" Moses2SandyKoufax Apr 2013 #61

LOL haikugal Apr 2013 #62

Sounds like on this particular issue...YES! onpatrol98 Apr 2013 #77

Of course they did, they learned that if you can call them cigs, you can tax them like cigs. n/t hughee99 Apr 2013 #150

Ah, now that makes sense! Lizzie Poppet Apr 2013 #154

They produce a Newest Reality Apr 2013 #10

Then continue to use them where you used to smoke. Simple! n-t Logical Apr 2013 #14

Pssst - some vendors already sell covers for the "lights". Mariana Apr 2013 #49

I can attest to that!! haikugal Apr 2013 #60

Right you are. beevul Apr 2013 #74

Oh, very nice. Mariana Apr 2013 #76

My SO and I started out the the 808s. beevul Apr 2013 #79

I do refill my own, and I haven't tried Vermillion River. Mariana Apr 2013 #80

Cool! Cal Carpenter Apr 2013 #103

I changed over to e-cig two years ago Bryn Apr 2013 #12

Good idea! The smokers/Vaporizers can smoke at home or outside. n-t Logical Apr 2013 #13

Sure! As long as you ignore the contents of the bill. jeff47 Apr 2013 #30

But the mysterious, magical, undetectable "vapors" could still drift Bonobo Apr 2013 #31

And we thought Reefer Madness was bad....LOL haikugal Apr 2013 #36

Interesting that ... Trajan Apr 2013 #178

"Nanny State" trayfoot Apr 2013 #28

Not sure this has anything to do with "Nanny State" per se Sheepshank Apr 2013 #123

Do you have a link to the laws you're referring to? beevul Apr 2013 #124

have some info on post #125 Sheepshank Apr 2013 #128

Thank you. N/T beevul Apr 2013 #129

If people use them like cigarettes... bhikkhu Apr 2013 #37

So....... trayfoot Apr 2013 #39

Gum is used like gum bhikkhu Apr 2013 #41

Then are you saying that trayfoot Apr 2013 #45

A good point, I know bhikkhu Apr 2013 #67

But they're not used like cigarettes at all. Mariana Apr 2013 #53

You suck on a tube, and nicotine is delivered into your bloodstream bhikkhu Apr 2013 #114

Except some of them have no nicotine whatsoever. Mariana Apr 2013 #118

what about 0% nic e-juice energumen Apr 2013 #119

Do you understand the difference between water vapor/fog and smoke? TeamPooka Apr 2013 #145

why on earth? robinlynne Apr 2013 #42

Yes riverbendviewgal Apr 2013 #52

Interesting because all my nonsmoking friends say they can't smell anything when I smoke them. Luminous Animal Apr 2013 #65

Same here and I have a real sensitive nose when it comes to cigarettes. tavalon Apr 2013 #83

I smoke my e-cig at work and nobody knows. tridim Apr 2013 #151

I'm still amazed at how no one notices the e-cigs. Mariana Apr 2013 #155

It is possible Cal Carpenter Apr 2013 #104

Fucking stupid! backscatter712 Apr 2013 #54

Agreed Floyd_Gondolli Apr 2013 #95

Yes! And ban saunas, steam pipes and bedside vaporizers too! Doremus Apr 2013 #56

AND it stinks!!!! haikugal Apr 2013 #64

Yes, and down with humidity too!! Doremus Apr 2013 #66

Just more authoritarian, nanny state bullshit. MrSlayer Apr 2013 #63

Authoritarian is authoritarian. Left/Right isn't really significant in the way you are thinking TheKentuckian Apr 2013 #85

Some information on whats in E-juice. beevul Apr 2013 #70

I just wonder Joanie Baloney Apr 2013 #71

Bingo! Little Star Apr 2013 #127

betcha the tobacco companies LOVE that bill arely staircase Apr 2013 #73

The tobacco companies SoCalNative Apr 2013 #136

There are fewer and fewer places for smokers to light up fujiyama Apr 2013 #75

Money, money, money madville Apr 2013 #78

They could be saving lives by encouraging e-cigs instead of cigarettes. dkf Apr 2013 #84

I hate it when democratic politicians do this shit. MindPilot Apr 2013 #86

+1000 OnionPatch Apr 2013 #110

Campaign donation? Big enough to look THIS STUPID? Festivito Apr 2013 #87

I've been evaping for years. I used it to quit smoking. I don't even use nicotine any longer, just OregonBlue Apr 2013 #88

Boy. The e-cigarette vendors in this thread are touchy. onehandle Apr 2013 #90

You got spanked by everyone for the ignorant statement you made in #6 DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2013 #109

On top of implying that multiples of us are vendors. beevul Apr 2013 #111

Straw man argument alert! TeamPooka Apr 2013 #146

Back off. I don't want any trouble. onehandle Apr 2013 #147

stick to facts and not straw man arguments full of projection and you will not be called out on it. TeamPooka Apr 2013 #148

WTF ...spitefull tobacco corps are behind this IMO. n/t L0oniX Apr 2013 #91

This is so fucked up Cal Carpenter Apr 2013 #96

Meanwhile, Fukushima is spewing radiation, and not only hitting California. Trillo Apr 2013 #97

Booo! Dragonbreathp9d Apr 2013 #98

More nanny-statism from the California legislature slackmaster Apr 2013 #115

Information on Nicotine exhaled from E-cigs. BalancedGoat Apr 2013 #117

and that is a closed space. Imagine a car exhaust in a closed space. robinlynne Apr 2013 #130

We don't really have to imagine car exhaust in a closed space. Mariana Apr 2013 #135

Fucking stupid... You must feel shame!!!! Sharpie Apr 2013 #121

interesting tid bit regarding e-cig evolution Sheepshank Apr 2013 #125

The one thing that actually helps me smoke less will become unaffordable. The result, for me will robinlynne Apr 2013 #132

Ths senator seems to have it in SoCalNative Apr 2013 #139

Oh no! I love my e-cig! eom prayin4rain Apr 2013 #140

so far, i'm for e-cigs shanti Apr 2013 #141

Many people are able to quit smoking immediately with e-cigs Mariana Apr 2013 #144

Water vapor is not smoke. nt TeamPooka Apr 2013 #142

"not in your district..." MindPilot Apr 2013 #157

Lame. zappaman Apr 2013 #159

Puritanism based not on facts but on not liking how smoking "looks" Matariki Apr 2013 #161

E-cigs must be regulated as tobacco products because the manufacturers won a lawsuit pnwmom Apr 2013 #165

That's a completely separate issue from using them in public Matariki Apr 2013 #171

No, it isn't. The smoking bans apply to all tobacco products that are smoked. pnwmom Apr 2013 #172

Yes, it IS. Water vapor is NOT second hand smoke. Matariki Apr 2013 #173

The CA ban on public smoking applies to tobacco products. pnwmom Apr 2013 #176

Okay, whatever. I don't actually care enough about this to research and post links. Matariki Apr 2013 #177

I'm someone with asthma who had to put up with smokers in my work environment. pnwmom Apr 2013 #179

And chewing tobacco is absolutely fucking disgusting. MindPilot Apr 2013 #182

I couldn't agree more. Matariki Apr 2013 #185

You must have posted this twenty times on this thread Trajan Apr 2013 #180

I responded to 3 posters (out of 180), not 20. pnwmom Apr 2013 #181

this'isn't about "they" Trajan Apr 2013 #183

For you, as a smoker, the benefits outweigh the risks. You will clearly be exposed pnwmom Apr 2013 #184

As much as you would like to simplify the process .. Trajan Apr 2013 #186

I think the corporations who want to sell nicotine delivery systems pnwmom Apr 2013 #188

You are highly misleading jamiea99 Apr 2013 #190

wtf Marrah_G Apr 2013 #168

I support smoking bans, but e-cig bans are just plain dumb Bjorn Against Apr 2013 #187