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JDPriestly

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44. My view on this precisely.

Thu Apr 4, 2013, 01:51 AM

Apr 2013

In the beginning, I saw it as a free speech, freedom of the press -- the internet being the new "press," issue. As more and more was released, it seemed to me that the problem was not the exposure of national secrets so much as the exposure of the idiocy of our diplomats and our national security bureaucracy's obsession with secrecy about many things that are not secret at all.

The abuses of human rights and violations of the rights of members of the press in Iraq were no doubt commonly known in Iraq. It is only the America that we have been kept in the dark about the war crimes and the suppression of their exposure.

So, over time, I have lost sympathy with my government and its paranoid and foolish attempt to keep its people in the dark.

Thank God or whatever you want to call the source of justice and peace for the Guardian. They are now among the angels of peace and justice. Our government, unfortunately, is not among the angels of peace and justice although it would like to pretend to itself that it is.

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Swedish Judges Says Assange Allegations 'A Mess' [View all] xchrom Apr 2013 OP

Sounds good for Assange. Get the Swedes to announce the same and it'll be done. freshwest Apr 2013 #1

Trouble is, plenty of evidence makes Sweden a part of the Extraordinary Rendition... TheMadMonk Apr 2013 #12

Re: Manning. As was said in the 60s, military justice is to justice as military music is to music. byeya Apr 2013 #2

I worship John Phillip Sousa. xtraxritical Apr 2013 #16

;-) ReRe Apr 2013 #18

Third share first to first first in two years that's me 'n my trumpet. xtraxritical Apr 2013 #26

Entire percussion section & trumpet in HS, French Horn in college, piano, guitar.... ReRe Apr 2013 #27

I put down the horn quite a while ago, now I just do guitar. xtraxritical Apr 2013 #54

I like Sousa too. ananda Apr 2013 #37

What is on trial here is democracy malaise Apr 2013 #3

+10000000 woo me with science Apr 2013 #36

But it's okay for Assange to do so. randome Apr 2013 #38

Assange already won. It was clear from the day Wikileaks posted the CIA memo sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #55

So Assange should be able to return to Sweden for questioning as he promised to do (nt) Nye Bevan Apr 2013 #4

That was good. UnrepentantLiberal Apr 2013 #8

Yep. Aug., 2012 ~ Zorra Apr 2013 #5

All they have to do is guarantee not to extradite him. bemildred Apr 2013 #6

Maybe they should question him in a location other than Sweden. JVS Apr 2013 #9

Hey, that could work too! nt bemildred Apr 2013 #10

Only if he agrees to be taken into custody if the Swedes decide to arrest him. hack89 Apr 2013 #11

Arrest him for having sex without a condom without consent? JDPriestly Apr 2013 #19

It might be baseless - that's why we have judicial systems to sort such things out. hack89 Apr 2013 #20

Seriously... ReRe Apr 2013 #23

And neither of the women accused Assange of rape Matariki Apr 2013 #28

Well, the STD test is moot now... ReRe Apr 2013 #29

It's my understanding that he gave the evidence required for the STD JDPriestly Apr 2013 #31

Untrue. The investigation into the rape complaint was reopened on the appeal of the complainant struggle4progress Apr 2013 #79

True. As much as you seem to wish it were not. Matariki Apr 2013 #88

You wrote: "neither of the women accused Assange of rape." But one did, struggle4progress Apr 2013 #90

Your link was old. AND it looks more like she's addressing the language of Swedish law Matariki Apr 2013 #96

" It may well be that the serious allegations of sexual assault and rape are not substantiated struggle4progress Apr 2013 #98

"a Swedish court approved a request to detain Mr Assange for questioning relating to one count struggle4progress Apr 2013 #91

"... The position with offence 4 is different. This is an allegation of rape. The framework list struggle4progress Apr 2013 #93

"The other woman wanted to report rape. I gave my testimony to support her story" struggle4progress Apr 2013 #94

Struggle4progress you always seem to swoop down on any post about Assange Matariki Apr 2013 #95

I've provided links for my assertions struggle4progress Apr 2013 #97

Seriously, if you're not being PAID to make anti-Assange posts in such bulk Matariki Apr 2013 #99

Which of the links I've provided do you find questionable? struggle4progress Apr 2013 #100

I'd rather understand your obsession. Why do you post so much negative stuff about Assange? Matariki Apr 2013 #102

I simply disproved your claim: "neither of the women accused Assange of rape" struggle4progress Apr 2013 #103

I wouldn't call a 3 year old link "proof" - and I'm STILL interested in your anti-Assange obsession Matariki Apr 2013 #107

This message was self-deleted by its author Matariki Apr 2013 #101

Few are as accurate as struggle4progress, either. randome Apr 2013 #105

As I understand it, he already submitted biological samples JDPriestly Apr 2013 #30

I didn't know he submitted to tests... ReRe Apr 2013 #32

I can't guarantee that I am right about that, but if he did not actually JDPriestly Apr 2013 #43

The presence of semen would prove that there was unprotected sex, JDPriestly Apr 2013 #45

That would make for a quick resolution, unless it really *is* about a sex crime. freshwest Apr 2013 #13

Well, if nothing else it would expose his dissembling, if that's what it is. bemildred Apr 2013 #14

Lindskog, in his speech, suggests forward extradition is highly unlikely struggle4progress Apr 2013 #56

Yeah, I read that. nt bemildred Apr 2013 #58

You can watch the speech if interested: I posted a link downthread struggle4progress Apr 2013 #60

I'm not interested. bemildred Apr 2013 #62

Lindskog's speech is actually directed towards law and policy wonks: struggle4progress Apr 2013 #66

Exactly, that's the stuff I'm not interested in. bemildred Apr 2013 #67

To be clear: if they ever get him back to Sweden, such issues might be relevant. bemildred Apr 2013 #69

"his past experience" means what, exactly? struggle4progress Apr 2013 #70

Don't play stupid with me, or I'll go back to ignoring you. bemildred Apr 2013 #74

I suppose he IS unhappy: UK courts have ordered his extradition based on a rape complaint struggle4progress Apr 2013 #75

Yeah, I expect he is not happy with the UK justice system either. bemildred Apr 2013 #77

Authorities usually don't negotiate conditions for extradition with persons who have been ordered struggle4progress Apr 2013 #80

Yeah, I know that. They already extradited him to Sweden, that's why he is in the embassy. bemildred Apr 2013 #82

The so-called centrists among us will not be happy. They support the suppression by the 1%. nm rhett o rick Apr 2013 #7

well, they support their guy...once hes gone they'll be pretending to be outraged by injustice xiamiam Apr 2013 #15

So true whatchamacallit Apr 2013 #22

Lindskog, in his talk, in no way suggested there was any plot to destroy Assange struggle4progress Apr 2013 #68

False treestar Apr 2013 #24

Of course they dont see the "suppression". They see it as security. The 1% protecting us from the rhett o rick Apr 2013 #25

Well, yes you do treestar Apr 2013 #39

I make it much more simple. Until Cheney goes to trial for the murder of thousands of children, rhett o rick Apr 2013 #40

My view on this precisely. JDPriestly Apr 2013 #44

I don't have any animosity towards anyone treestar Apr 2013 #51

Of course we should not suspend the enforcement of criminal law, however, rhett o rick Apr 2013 #52

So what is holding the Swedish prosecutor up from filing charges? It's been nearly sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #92

All criminal process in Sweden should cease until Cheney is behind bars? struggle4progress Apr 2013 #59

That's a silly suggestion. nm rhett o rick Apr 2013 #63

I agree. Cheney's crimes have no connection whatsoever to the Swedish sexual complaints struggle4progress Apr 2013 #65

Cheney is protected by the 1% and Assange is persecuted by the 1%. rhett o rick Apr 2013 #71

I thought we had agreed Cheney had nothing whatsoever to do with the Swedish complaint struggle4progress Apr 2013 #76

I have given my stance here, what's yours? nm rhett o rick Apr 2013 #84

"Get the facts right first. Then do the analysis. And don't jumble things together" struggle4progress Apr 2013 #86

K&R JDPriestly Apr 2013 #17

So the actual "I think it is a mess" quote seems to apply to the US extradition situation muriel_volestrangler Apr 2013 #21

K&R "It should never be a crime to make known crime of a state." woo me with science Apr 2013 #33

I'm sure Sweden has no problem with releasing all their military and diplomatic documents, then. randome Apr 2013 #35

Dont beat around the bush. Say what you mean. Do you want Julian to be rhett o rick Apr 2013 #41

I want him to face whatever charges or inquiries await him in Sweden. randome Apr 2013 #49

I think there is a good chance that the USofA would love to rhett o rick Apr 2013 #50

Assange doesn't fall under the UCMJ struggle4progress Apr 2013 #57

And so?????? rhett o rick Apr 2013 #61

Credibility depends on getting the facts right: struggle4progress Apr 2013 #64

I am not disputing that. The UCMJ isnt the only tool of the government. Especially with the NDAA as rhett o rick Apr 2013 #72

You suggested a parallelism between Assange and Manning. Now you mention NDAA, but Manning's struggle4progress Apr 2013 #81

Sorry, I can see you are struggling with this. I believe our government rhett o rick Apr 2013 #83

Manning isn't being persecuted, as far as I can tell. He had access to restricted information, struggle4progress Apr 2013 #87

I try to keep things in prospective. Currently the criminals of the 1% dont get prosecuted rhett o rick Apr 2013 #109

If you actually listen to Lindskog's speech, you will notice that struggle4progress Apr 2013 #85

If the USA wants Assange, why don't they extradite him from the UK? Nye Bevan Apr 2013 #34

And extradition from the UK would be legally less complex: if, after the UK extradites struggle4progress Apr 2013 #46

This ^^^^^^ treestar Apr 2013 #53

Assange is a conspiracy theorist with a persecution complex. Comrade_McKenzie Apr 2013 #42

University of Adelaide Live Stream: The Assange Affair struggle4progress Apr 2013 #47

kick woo me with science Apr 2013 #48

K & R !!! WillyT Apr 2013 #73

I wasn't aware that criminal cases were litigated through symposium speeches brooklynite Apr 2013 #78

Lindskog merely discussed some issues related the case, making no effort to resolve them struggle4progress Apr 2013 #106

This message was self-deleted by its author Matariki Apr 2013 #89

"It should never be a crime to make known crime of a state," G_j Apr 2013 #104

+100000000 woo me with science Apr 2013 #108