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Newest Reality

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17. I chose other.
Thu Apr 4, 2013, 10:26 PM
Apr 2013

I think that there are many modes of inquiry into the nature of reality.

Each mode is specific to both its own methodology and sphere of exploration. While there can be cross-modal comparisons, intersections and overlapping, each mode has its own category.

However, all forms of exploration of reality rely on two factors that influence to what degree we can understand the reality of phenomena, consciousness, matter, etc.

First, there is the bias of our own sensory apparatus and the conceptual filters that we apply to our investigations. For instance, science has shown us that the spectrum of our senses, in total, are an extremely small portion of the entire, vast electromagnetic spectrum. Whatever tools we devise and utilize to explore the macrocosm and the microcosm are, to some degree, limited and we can assume that as our tools improve our data will increase and change.

Then, there is the fact that, despite the close correlations of our data and mathematical models of what we have observed and recorded so far, all information is, in essence, an abstraction and not the "thing in itself". Baring direct experience, (see above) we seem to only be able to end-up with an approximation, no matter how close we may be able to come to the actuality itself.

Religion appears to have, or assumes, insights into the cosmological nature of the Universe and its origins, (although Buddhism essentially avoids aspects of that in its cosmology) claiming a spiritual authority. However, to me, religion is actually about a certain band in the spectrum of intellect that has specialized itself and given itself, (via memes, "miracles", traditions, etc.) the ability to separate its own form of symbolic abstraction from the more academic and sundry type of mental activity. It is more about subjective experience and comes closer to mirroring how the mind itself can function in its ability to reify experience and translate it into "higher order" categories that it are branded "spiritual", unique, magical and beyond ordinary intellect.

From my understanding, no matter how ethereal or academic abstracts are, they all fall into the same category of derivative fabrications and, in that sense, are biased, by nature limited, and in contrast to direct experience itself.

Atheists are free to argue against something that can be considered an absurd proposition, (even in a religious sense when you go into more thoughtful and deeper definitions of God) but that does lead them into arguing a negative about a non-entity as per their beliefs. Yet, in a way, I do support political efforts by atheists as their efforts represent a refreshing reaction to years of persecution of "non-believers" by dominant religious institutions for centuries.

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the atheism delusion [View all] arely staircase Apr 2013 OP
IBTL Fumesucker Apr 2013 #1
If god intervenes in history, count me out nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #2
Atheists simply lack belief in god/gods... MellowDem Apr 2013 #3
Actually, I'll bet you could find two atheists who disagree on that point. Bucky Apr 2013 #8
Even before Hitler? UnrepentantLiberal Apr 2013 #12
Good one Bucky Apr 2013 #35
I thought it was an agnostic who says they don't know Matariki Apr 2013 #9
Yes, correct, been 'agnostic' forever, elleng Apr 2013 #11
No... MellowDem Apr 2013 #16
what you call agnostic theism is arely staircase Apr 2013 #33
Definition of what would be a God is a special problem for rationalists. I don't have to imagine patrice Apr 2013 #30
So those who don't "believe" in the Tooth Fairy, only "believe" that there is none on faith? NightWatcher Apr 2013 #4
Thats the way i see it. Notafraidtoo Apr 2013 #18
I think that's the point. patrice Apr 2013 #32
exactly nt arely staircase Apr 2013 #34
As we begin to know more and more through science Warpy Apr 2013 #5
Atheist Church Set to Go Global onehandle Apr 2013 #14
someone should open a vegan steakhouse next to it arely staircase Apr 2013 #36
I don't have a problem with atheism, religion, OR science. Bucky Apr 2013 #6
Hought makes a good anqlogy in the interview arely staircase Apr 2013 #10
I don't believe in god as anyone has described it.... Tikki Apr 2013 #7
I put other. liberal_at_heart Apr 2013 #13
i believe in evolution, the scientific method , the big bang theory too arely staircase Apr 2013 #19
I agree. I also believe in things like practicing love, forgiveness, and compassion. liberal_at_heart Apr 2013 #23
i don't disagree with any of that eom arely staircase Apr 2013 #26
Franky, I'm sorry, that's a stupid set of poll choices (rescued only by having "other" as a choice) Silent3 Apr 2013 #15
i agree the choices are inadequate arely staircase Apr 2013 #22
I chose other. Newest Reality Apr 2013 #17
God(s), IMO, are 100% made up. No proof at all. None. Zero! n-t Logical Apr 2013 #20
Religion needs to die. Apophis Apr 2013 #21
Nice avatar. The Sky God? rug Apr 2013 #25
Science answers my questions LittleBlue Apr 2013 #24
+ 1 nt arely staircase Apr 2013 #27
This false-equivalence horseshit again? backscatter712 Apr 2013 #28
I've said this before, I'll say it again. If you have any grasp of the magnitude of OffWithTheirHeads Apr 2013 #29
Other. rrneck Apr 2013 #31
This does not meet the SOP for GD Autumn Apr 2013 #37
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