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John2

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90. I wouldn't vote

Fri Apr 5, 2013, 09:39 AM

Apr 2013

third party to save your life because it is an easy way to give the presidency to them. A better way is for a more liberal candidate to challenge the Democratic Establishment just like the Tea Partiers do to their candidate in the primaries. Hillary Clinton didn't beat Obama because he beat her over the head for being a Washington Politician and voting for the Iraq War. One thing Obama also had going for him was his race and Celebrities like Oprah Winfrey campaigning for him. By the way, where has she been lately? The wealthy seems to be all the same.

There are plenty of Progressives in Congress and one of them needs to challenge the President's favorite next election. They think it is about their money and it can buy votes. I think it is about ideas. They also think it was about Obama's charisma. I didn't vote for Obama because of his charisma. Any Democrat that goes along with a sell out needs to be primaried period within the Democratic party. Two can play their games. The middle is nothing but a big myth perpetuated by the corporate media and wealthy people, whom they really represent. That includes these Wars too. The whole enchilada benefits the wealthy.

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President Obama will formally propose cuts to Social Security and Medicare [View all] dajoki Apr 2013 OP

Shameful move. morningfog Apr 2013 #1

yes it is. our only hope is that enough republicans will be recalcitrant cali Apr 2013 #10

Is that what our hopes lie on? dajoki Apr 2013 #15

I'm afraid so. Boehner, by the way, HAS rejected this exact proposal in cali Apr 2013 #47

Sad, very sad dajoki Apr 2013 #50

He didn't just reject it, he rejected it in a manner showing Babel_17 Apr 2013 #182

It will not stop here, R's will dismantle SS a RKP5637 Apr 2013 #49

It's Obama, not Republicans, who is proposing this. JDPriestly Apr 2013 #96

+1 nashville_brook Apr 2013 #132

To me, we are living now through the end of an experiment in democracy, and it's damn clear the RKP5637 Apr 2013 #159

Agree. They are striping the bones of the lower classes with impunity. rhett o rick Apr 2013 #178

They always go after the weakest, the youngest and the oldest. They are easy targets. As they RKP5637 Apr 2013 #179

Looks that way. And the oligarchs have the media tied in knots. JDPriestly Apr 2013 #208

google "retirement crisis" and read up Skittles Apr 2013 #220

Thank you. n/t RKP5637 Apr 2013 #223

They've had their foot in the door before and had it slammed shut in their faces by sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #113

It's damn disgusting! And what does one do now ... this was supposed to be our party, but anymore RKP5637 Apr 2013 #158

WTF are you saying? dotymed Apr 2013 #115

Very well said!!! I've watched this country disintegrate over my lifetime I would love to see RKP5637 Apr 2013 #151

Correct...Somehow, someway, I believe this was planned..You've heard "It took Nixon to go to China"? whathehell Apr 2013 #149

I think the R's and D's talk a lot more than we in the weeds are led to believe by MSM. It's all RKP5637 Apr 2013 #156

Yes, I think so too. n/t whathehell Apr 2013 #166

They've turned him down on this so far. kenny blankenship Apr 2013 #135

The republican meme airplaneman Apr 2013 #164

Shameful spin! nt kelliekat44 Apr 2013 #163

Time to invest in catfood futures IDemo Apr 2013 #2

Yes, compromise now = cave in. n/t RKP5637 Apr 2013 #67

U thought that big campaign circle was an 'O'? It was the cave entrance!! on point Apr 2013 #112

That's about it ... the strong no no no ... and now this. n/t RKP5637 Apr 2013 #155

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The last time I felt this kicked in the teeth was when Bush stole the election in 2004. forestpath Apr 2013 #4

Yes, it feels just like that dajoki Apr 2013 #7

The last time I felt this kicked in the teeth.. pangaia Apr 2013 #46

Could've *sworn* we had re-elected a Democrat... AzDar Apr 2013 #5

I remember something like that too. The USSR never learned that to have a one party state byeya Apr 2013 #19

Yea, he fooled me also. pangaia Apr 2013 #57

I thought Obama was supposed to wear conservative hate as a badge of honor? n/t Beartracks Apr 2013 #60

Morning Joe is loving it. The Link Apr 2013 #6

WE should all be worried... dajoki Apr 2013 #9

It's time to March on Washington bigdarryl Apr 2013 #8

Marches to Washington has been neutered. zeemike Apr 2013 #39

I wish you wouldn't use acronyms PTB? can't figure that one out. YOHABLO Apr 2013 #216

I am sorry...that is rude and lazy. zeemike Apr 2013 #217

???? hard to believe...nt... Stuart G Apr 2013 #11

chained cpi, means testing and no gun control legislation DrDan Apr 2013 #12

Hopefully a lot because the reason this crap is happening is we still have a Republican controlled Maraya1969 Apr 2013 #17

well - control of the Senate and Harry will not put a gun control bill up for a vote DrDan Apr 2013 #20

There is always SOME excuse demwing Apr 2013 #37

Somehow I just gave up on the repub-controlled House thingy.. pangaia Apr 2013 #58

i believe the democrats controlled the house and senate after the 2008 election. you guys HiPointDem Apr 2013 #75

K&R !!! Exactly !!! n/t RKP5637 Apr 2013 #80

Do you remember everything they got done in 2008-2009? Maraya1969 Apr 2013 #167

i remember the bankster bailout and the laundry list of minor stuff that kept being posted HiPointDem Apr 2013 #196

Health Care Reform? And here is a list from 2008-2009 from The Maraya1969 Apr 2013 #202

No. Health INSURANCE reform. AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #212

The Republican controlled house is now writing his budgets? Dragonfli Apr 2013 #78

except daa Apr 2013 #114

LOL pmorlan1 Apr 2013 #140

Was gun control an issue in last year's election? Freddie Stubbs Apr 2013 #59

no - I phrased that pooorly DrDan Apr 2013 #123

Agreed; agreed; and agreed. AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #213

Another big disappointment samplegirl Apr 2013 #13

Can they reverse this if it passes and we get a Democratic congress in 2014? Maraya1969 Apr 2013 #14

they could, but they won't. HiPointDem Apr 2013 #18

I think President Obama has just ensured we won't get a Democratic congress in 2014. forestpath Apr 2013 #23

He did that with Obamacare. Le Taz Hot Apr 2013 #25

He sure has Glitterati Apr 2013 #111

I can't help but agree with you .. it's all about being 1st black president ... then YOHABLO Apr 2013 #218

BINGO we have a winner eom daa Apr 2013 #118

Well if you keep thinking like that we won't. Maraya1969 Apr 2013 #168

My THINKING has nothing to do with it. It's Obama's ACTIONS that are the problem. forestpath Apr 2013 #169

Well it worked like a charm the first time. He played them like a fiddle. Maraya1969 Apr 2013 #204

how well what played out? Skittles Apr 2013 #224

Under the bus we go Faygo Kid Apr 2013 #16

I often find it hard to get excited and jump up RKP5637 Apr 2013 #62

oh, but just imagine what romney would have done! get prosense out here to explain it to HiPointDem Apr 2013 #21

Romney would be terrified to try after chimpy proposed daa Apr 2013 #120

romney was just a plant to guarantee obama's reelection. HiPointDem Apr 2013 #122

This message was self-deleted by its author LondonReign2 Apr 2013 #144

I think even she recognizes that this is wrong progressoid Apr 2013 #150

Rmoney would have had a Republican congress treestar Apr 2013 #170

Surely someone will be here soon to explain this away Capt. Obvious Apr 2013 #22

And it will be immediately rejected by the Republicans tridim Apr 2013 #24

So, we can Le Taz Hot Apr 2013 #27

If you're a simpleton, then yes you can boil it down to that. tridim Apr 2013 #28

I-21 Le Taz Hot Apr 2013 #33

I just don't trust the guy any more. pangaia Apr 2013 #61

This post inspired me Capt. Obvious Apr 2013 #143

HA! blkmusclmachine Apr 2013 #183

Not at all sure about that, and, in any case, he's got a lot of guts "bargaining" with our money whathehell Apr 2013 #32

Does anyone still believe this man is a democrat? blkmusclmachine Apr 2013 #184

A majority of people let him know they don't want this - ignored Dragonfli Apr 2013 #63

+1 HiPointDem Apr 2013 #68

Do you not understand that Republicans say no to EVERYTHING the admin proposes? tridim Apr 2013 #77

This sets a dangerous precedent, regardless of what the Repubs do. nt Chef Eric Apr 2013 #89

Yes it does... dajoki Apr 2013 #154

Obama's Catfood: blkmusclmachine Apr 2013 #185

the people have clearly stated they don't want these cuts HE IS CHAMPIONING Dragonfli Apr 2013 #92

DINObama, DINOClinton(s), DINOsorry excuses, third way sellouts, and... Dryvinwhileblind Apr 2013 #26

Yup..This is why, IMO, we need to reject any more DINO Candidates for President whathehell Apr 2013 #148

I understand what you are saying, but silly me, I had thought that Obama was a progressive totodeinhere Apr 2013 #174

Well, I might have to agree with your self description, as I never thought he was a progressive. whathehell Apr 2013 #176

Alternate headline- Snarkoleptic Apr 2013 #29

More like push Grandma off the cliff. blkmusclmachine Apr 2013 #186

Another rug being pulled from under my feet. liberal N proud Apr 2013 #30

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2013 #117

The CPI is aleady rigged to UNDER-estimate inflation. "Chained CPI" is THEFT. Faryn Balyncd Apr 2013 #31

SS operates on a 1% overhead. The under-reported real inflation was part of the deal in the 1980s byeya Apr 2013 #40

BINGO ! pangaia Apr 2013 #66

Not yet. I have to hit other threads to fill my card Capt. Obvious Apr 2013 #95

""Chained CPI" is THEFT. " G_j Apr 2013 #86

In this mornings paper is an article that the President says madokie Apr 2013 #34

no cuts - but means testing to insure the middle class gets to share pain with the wealthy DrDan Apr 2013 #38

I didn't see any mention of that either madokie Apr 2013 #43

If you read the thread closely it's Obama bashing AND Democrat bashing. tridim Apr 2013 #53

Sure it is and thats what I'm trying to bring out madokie Apr 2013 #74

so Obama is not proposing chained CPI and means testing? DrDan Apr 2013 #129

Every time I've seen him speak and or read what he says madokie Apr 2013 #136

Actually there have been cuts to Medicare eilen Apr 2013 #116

what is your 1 800 psychic number? You have knowledge of the future Dragonfli Apr 2013 #119

from the link in the OP DrDan Apr 2013 #128

fro the link in the OP DrDan Apr 2013 #127

kr HiPointDem Apr 2013 #35

Fuck him. Cobalt Violet Apr 2013 #36

Despicable game of chicken with peoples lives and livelihoods. eom littlemissmartypants Apr 2013 #41

Exactly!!! And so many are out of sight, out of RKP5637 Apr 2013 #76

This is really disappointing. DanTex Apr 2013 #42

Social security Russd Apr 2013 #44

And like clockwork the piggyback trolls show up to round out the daily bash Obama/Dems thread. tridim Apr 2013 #48

Start an Obama photo thread. blkmusclmachine Apr 2013 #187

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Welcome to DU. Your proposal sucks. cali Apr 2013 #52

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2013 #88

But..."we the People" made it clear what we wanted last election...didn't we? maddiemom Apr 2013 #81

"we the people" only includes rich fucks now Skittles Apr 2013 #221

I wouldn't vote John2 Apr 2013 #90

Your proposal to vote for a Third Party does nothing more than assure a Republican victory. olegramps Apr 2013 #108

Dangerous proposition but understandable Left Turn Only Apr 2013 #121

Nattering Nabobs of Negativity IDemo Apr 2013 #51

2016 Russd Apr 2013 #126

I don't know WTF political party I belong to RKP5637 Apr 2013 #54

That's how I feel newfie11 Apr 2013 #93

See reply #147. That's what I'm going to start doing too. n/t RKP5637 Apr 2013 #161

I belong to the Progressive Democrats of America..I only give to Progressive Dems and whathehell Apr 2013 #147

Thanks for this reply! I'm going to do the same. I'm fed up with the current direction! n/t RKP5637 Apr 2013 #160

Wow...You're very welcome! n/t whathehell Apr 2013 #165

But.. but ... but... 99Forever Apr 2013 #55

Post removed Post removed Apr 2013 #64

Yeah, right... 99Forever Apr 2013 #71

There have been no cuts to SS and Medicare.. tridim Apr 2013 #79

So... 99Forever Apr 2013 #83

LOL no, what he said was far trickier than that, he said that the cuts Obama has proposed Dragonfli Apr 2013 #103

The mean ol' GOP forced Obama to cut SS blkmusclmachine Apr 2013 #188

Well tridim.. 99Forever Apr 2013 #94

Troll went bye-bye. blkmusclmachine Apr 2013 #189

"unless the Republicans do it" dajoki Apr 2013 #97

I think this tool expects us to believe the absurd, follow his logic Dragonfli Apr 2013 #106

You know what really irks me? 99Forever Apr 2013 #125

+1 Dragonfli blkmusclmachine Apr 2013 #190

Traitor ! pangaia Apr 2013 #56

WORSE THAN BUSH!!!!1111 tridim Apr 2013 #69

For the sake of compromising with republicans he would. Cobalt Violet Apr 2013 #109

+1 and hugs. Same boat as you. 840high Apr 2013 #205

Thanks for the hugs. :>) pangaia Apr 2013 #211

Obama has moved to the right each year since election in 08 n2doc Apr 2013 #65

And for the trillionth post of this on DU: IDemo Apr 2013 #70

"The truth of the matter is UnrepentantLiberal Apr 2013 #72

Obama: "I agree with Romeny. I agree with Romney. I agree with Romney. I agree with Romney." blkmusclmachine Apr 2013 #191

It's still the third rail. Massage the definitions all you like, but a cut is a cut. n/t winter is coming Apr 2013 #73

Obama's CPI. It's not a cut. It's "enhanced math." blkmusclmachine Apr 2013 #192

Mmhmm, and that black stuff in Arkansas isn't oil. n/t winter is coming Apr 2013 #197

Disgusting...absolutely disgusting kdmorris Apr 2013 #82

If you had told me 25 yrs. ago that a Dem. President could do such a thing... Chef Eric Apr 2013 #84

he kisses conservative ass on every important issue every time bowens43 Apr 2013 #85

He is assuring himself 840high Apr 2013 #206

For those who sat home in 2010 MissNostalgia Apr 2013 #87

You're talking to the wrong group. Le Taz Hot Apr 2013 #100

Exactly RILib Apr 2013 #102

Exactly treestar Apr 2013 #171

Well when do we pull out os South Korea or scrap ALL Treaty Obligations? gordianot Apr 2013 #91

I guess he doesn't really want Democrats to win in 2014. geek tragedy Apr 2013 #98

That's the plan for 2014. And 16. blkmusclmachine Apr 2013 #193

Rich men who will never need SS Jakes Progress Apr 2013 #99

his legacy includes drones, afghanistan, not prosecuting war crimes, geithner,helping wall street xiamiam Apr 2013 #145

So glad he had time to do this; thought he was busy queued up to approve the keystone pipeline RILib Apr 2013 #101

There are enough John2 Apr 2013 #110

By the time... dajoki Apr 2013 #175

I really don't understand this. AsahinaKimi Apr 2013 #104

OR, "Obama leaves closet, admits he was repuke all along" on point Apr 2013 #105

He has already confessed to being an "80's style Republican". NorthCarolina Apr 2013 #142

+1000 blkmusclmachine Apr 2013 #194

Turning a blind eye to corporate sponsored tea party rally's NorthCarolina Apr 2013 #210

Terrible!!! nt valerief Apr 2013 #107

He doesn't expect Republicans to bite. Then there will be the inevitable House/Senate compromise. randome Apr 2013 #124

I am one of those that would be affected by chained CPI, and I am FURIOUS at Obama. loudsue Apr 2013 #130

The hyperbole and low information reeks in this thread. nt Comrade_McKenzie Apr 2013 #131

And, as usual, your post rises above it all. blkmusclmachine Apr 2013 #195

Not to worry... Obama promises he won't sign NDAA........ lib2DaBone Apr 2013 #133

Terrible, terrible move Mr. President. What a slap to all who believed in you AllyCat Apr 2013 #134

I think the safety net John2 Apr 2013 #137

Shameful! pmorlan1 Apr 2013 #138

And the GOP get to blame him for it. Orsino Apr 2013 #139

This message was self-deleted by its author Cali_Democrat Apr 2013 #141

The Democratic Party JEB Apr 2013 #146

The president has made a fool of himself with this, and bonner already rejected it. After 6 years still_one Apr 2013 #152

Social Security Does Not Contribute One Nickel to the Deficit! grahamhgreen Apr 2013 #153

So much for all that hopey changey stuff. KamaAina Apr 2013 #157

No money for social security but we'll manage to find $700 billion to fight North Korea. Initech Apr 2013 #162

I never thought that I would live to see a Democratic president cut these two programs. It leaves an jwirr Apr 2013 #172

He surrenders without protest at every opportunity Generic Other Apr 2013 #173

I think he is just not what he presented himself to be...a democrat..nt xiamiam Apr 2013 #177

Shameful. Deceptive. Party Killing. blkmusclmachine Apr 2013 #180

It's time for progressives in the media to demand to know Babel_17 Apr 2013 #181

Good cop to bad cop: psss ...hey lets play with SS so we can ignore the gun control thingy... L0oniX Apr 2013 #198

anyone think he isn't DLC now? JCMach1 Apr 2013 #199

and the gop will reject them. not because they want to protect ss. they hate him. spanone Apr 2013 #200

It's the right move jsr Apr 2013 #201

Seriously, if they cut SS, we may loose our house or have to let our pets die. Awful. glinda Apr 2013 #203

Is this still, what did they call it..."anticipatory outrage" or some silly thing? Bonobo Apr 2013 #207

This is Why the rePIGs Didn't Steal Election 2012 tout_le_monde Apr 2013 #209

In the good cop / bad cop routine, aren't we supposed to have a good cop somewhere? AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #214

What amuses me is the people here saying yeah its there but the Republicans won't accept it. Arcanetrance Apr 2013 #215

what else can the Groupies say??? Skittles Apr 2013 #222

"Additional taxes on the wealthy" ARE IRRELEVANT. THE POOR WILL STILL SUFFER under this. WinkyDink Apr 2013 #219