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marmar

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Fri Apr 5, 2013, 10:18 AM Apr 2013

Salon: Abolish the 401(k) [View all]


Abolish the 401(k)
The real crisis facing America's aging society is not Social Security, but private retirement plans

By Michael Lind


(Salon) America’s retirement security policies are facing a major crisis. No, not the problem that Pete Peterson, Alan Simpson and Erskine Bowles and other so-called deficit hawks have become famous for exaggerating — the relatively minor mismatch between promised Social Security benefits and scheduled Social Security payroll taxes in the 2030s. The real crisis facing current and future retirees in America’s aging society is the failure of the private components of America’s mixed public-and-private retirement system.

When Social Security was created in 1935, it was not intended to be the sole source of retirement income for most Americans. It was assumed that employer-provided defined benefit pensions with guaranteed payouts would supplement Social Security checks for many workers after they retired.

Unfortunately, employers have been abandoning defined benefit pensions for decades. The number of private sector workers with defined benefit pensions has fallen from around 40 percent in 1980 to a mere 15 percent today. At the same time, among public sector workers, poor management by state governments, combined with years of economic trouble, has created a crisis for public pension systems in many states.

In order to save money and shift risks to individual workers, employers in the last generation have been switching from defined benefit plans to defined contribution plans like 401Ks. 401K retirement plans and other defined contribution plans, including individual retirement accounts (IRAs), now cover about 42 percent of the workforce as opposed to only about 17 percent in 1979. ......................(more)

The complete piece is at: http://www.salon.com/2013/04/04/abolish_the_401k/?source=newsletter



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Salon: Abolish the 401(k) [View all] marmar Apr 2013 OP
The financial industry makes more money off of 401(k)'s than defined benefit pensions. nt antigop Apr 2013 #1
I agree with the article (gave it a rec), but it will be VERY difficult to change. nt antigop Apr 2013 #2
Don't get rid of 401Ks, but allow people to self-direct the funds, instead of only offering limited still_one Apr 2013 #3
I have been in 6 different 401k plans and have not found limited choices to be a problem badtoworse Apr 2013 #6
It is changing, but one of the companies I worked for charged 2% in fees for their funds. A lot of still_one Apr 2013 #8
Is the 2% at the fund level or is it a company charge on top of that? badtoworse Apr 2013 #13
It was the management fees. Vanguard is the lowest and best. still_one Apr 2013 #16
Father of 401k 4Q2u2 Apr 2013 #23
interesting article. The creator stills thinks it has provided positive savings for many. Problem still_one Apr 2013 #24
Nor Have the Promised Returns Been There 4Q2u2 Apr 2013 #26
You are correct about the returns. Some of that due to the high fees and restricted funds they still_one Apr 2013 #30
Winners 4Q2u2 Apr 2013 #31
Wow, I didn't know the exact figures. Geez still_one Apr 2013 #32
Sample 4Q2u2 Apr 2013 #33
Defined contribution plans are the number 1 scam of neoliberal economics alcibiades_mystery Apr 2013 #4
"The number one scam" -- totally, totally agree. Brickbat Apr 2013 #9
A scam of immense proportions. Since SSA operates at a 1% overhead, it makes sense to make Social byeya Apr 2013 #29
The Great Risk Shift. HughBeaumont Apr 2013 #5
+! KoKo Apr 2013 #10
Thanks, Hugh...I'll take a look at it. nt antigop Apr 2013 #15
seems like we have to MAKE them care about us NoMoreWarNow Apr 2013 #22
it's both, and everything else. it's the entire neoliberal package, including free trade agreements HiPointDem Apr 2013 #7
No thanks. hughee99 Apr 2013 #11
The government taxes your SS if you have too much other income badtoworse Apr 2013 #14
Defined benefit just hides a mandatory contribution One_Life_To_Give Apr 2013 #12
Are they talking about confiscating individual 401ks to fund social security? I sure hope not. dkf Apr 2013 #17
You can get rid of defined contribution plans, but that won't bring back defined benefits plans FarCenter Apr 2013 #18
Wall St needs that money to keep the gravy train rolling. raouldukelives Apr 2013 #19
du rec. nt xchrom Apr 2013 #20
"It was assumed" The2ndWheel Apr 2013 #21
As I told our financial "planner" recently, I want my GD money to put under my mattress, deminks Apr 2013 #25
Didn't the bottom fall out of those libodem Apr 2013 #27
The 401k is the biggest boondoggle ever Politicub Apr 2013 #28
One option is a private defined-benefit plan mainer Apr 2013 #34
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