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jRus61

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80. Now it gets interesting

Fri Apr 5, 2013, 11:20 AM

Apr 2013

The President needs the entire country to be PISSED OFF about cutting social security and medicare. I mean mad enough to scare the crap out of Republicans.

Hopefully the majority of people who don't know who the vice president is or thier senator, or thier congressman will start paying attention for a while. Obama is simply bringing this to the boiling point and if the country rolls over then it's not his fault, it's ours.

I think he's begging the country to get mad and push Washington, especially republicans, into a reasonable solution that doesn't hurt our earned benefits. I hope he finds a way to bring up Nancy Pelosi's democratic caucus budget. I'm just saying....

The current stalemate simply looks like 'typical washington politicians' to most people. They need to know what the argument is really about. It's a gamble, but if someone doesn't bring this to a head soon we are guaranteed to lose anyway.

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It's not 3 dimensional chess. It's a kick to the gut. [View all] cali Apr 2013 OP

And then we wonder why potential voters say "it doesn't matter" and stay home on election day. Scuba Apr 2013 #1

And we accused them of being the "stupid" ones. n/t NOVA_Dem Apr 2013 #59

That made me laugh. A sad laugh. CrispyQ Apr 2013 #98

Anyone with any sense, understood that you were voting for the lesser of two evils Sherman A1 Apr 2013 #128

The Country hasn't moved to the right, just the politicians and their owners. Scuba Apr 2013 #132

i said this election past that SwampG8r Apr 2013 #135

If the outcomes are functionally identical there's no effing "lesser" about it. TheMadMonk Apr 2013 #174

Eloquently Stated Sherman A1 Apr 2013 #183

I agree steve2470 Apr 2013 #2

Don't worry, you don't have to vote for him a 3rd time. One can vote for Nader like NH did in 2000 graham4anything Apr 2013 #11

I gave him MONEY twice !!!!!! steve2470 Apr 2013 #16

we all need to be patient and watch it all play out. graham4anything Apr 2013 #19

I disagree abelenkpe Apr 2013 #28

I agree with you steve2470 Apr 2013 #30

No. This is a slap in the face to seniors who volunteered tirelessly JDPriestly Apr 2013 #41

Show me where exactly this was said in 2008? graham4anything Apr 2013 #44

During the debates, Hillary suggested a proposal to "fix" Social Security. JDPriestly Apr 2013 #53

I've posted this video probably half a dozen times hfojvt Apr 2013 #73

thanks to President Obama, I am now saving $1600 a month in health care costs... graham4anything Apr 2013 #74

Yes, it's all about you and we are happy that at least one person is doing great. But sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #79

Then one should also be for the 100% removal of guns in the hands of private citizens graham4anything Apr 2013 #115

This message was self-deleted by its author HangOnKids Apr 2013 #124

Mine have gone up. grahamhgreen Apr 2013 #108

Then move to a differnent one. Soon everyone will be able to move. graham4anything Apr 2013 #114

you are REALLY getting desperate Skittles Apr 2013 #121

How? I made the switch and saved $1600 a month. $19,000 plus a year graham4anything Apr 2013 #127

LOLOL Skittles Apr 2013 #193

Well, well, aren't Bohunk68 Apr 2013 #118

The republicans, as President Obama knew, refused the offer. So there is nothing to worry about graham4anything Apr 2013 #129

Don't know where you are living and what kind of health care you have lark Apr 2013 #142

NJ formerly NYC graham4anything Apr 2013 #180

what about that SwampG8r Apr 2013 #137

The videos of Obama promising to raise the cap and not cut JDPriestly Apr 2013 #81

Nader didn't blow the elections, your boy Gore did. Arctic Dave Apr 2013 #55

Oh, who would have been better than W? caseymoz Apr 2013 #70

Bullshit! Webster Green Apr 2013 #103

Too bad he was way too lazy to actually do what Al Franken did and run for senate or house graham4anything Apr 2013 #116

You're right in every way. nt caseymoz Apr 2013 #186

What threw the election into a virtual tie? caseymoz Apr 2013 #185

I guess I'm just a dreamer then. Webster Green Apr 2013 #190

Again, it's easier to figure out in hindsight. caseymoz Apr 2013 #191

Third party is viable. In a place like the senate. /nt TheMadMonk Apr 2013 #177

It's somewhat viable in the States. caseymoz Apr 2013 #187

No, we don't. Obama & co. has played us enough already. grahamhgreen Apr 2013 #107

Holy shit! You're already moving on to the Justification Phase?! Marr Apr 2013 #133

LBJ was the best on all social issues like FDR was, and SS/Medicare, everything, however... graham4anything Apr 2013 #134

how far are you from retirement? nt LiberalElite Apr 2013 #161

There's no choice about "watching it all play out" delrem Apr 2013 #182

Me too...and I just got a lovely solicitation for $ to help put in Congressional Dems in 2014 whathehell Apr 2013 #151

BINGO! I GOT BINGO! Capt. Obvious Apr 2013 #99

Can you win Mnpaul Apr 2013 #136

I think that is a round robin bingo! Dragonfli Apr 2013 #150

WTH? THAT doesn't have to do with any of this. Matariki Apr 2013 #106

You know, if you want to take on the role of loyalty oath hall moniter Dragonfli Apr 2013 #125

LOL! City Lights Apr 2013 #139

what daybranch Apr 2013 #178

Post removed Post removed Apr 2013 #3

We don't need a new thread on this. nt Comrade_McKenzie Apr 2013 #4

lol. so don't post it, hon. cali Apr 2013 #5

i think we do. HiPointDem Apr 2013 #6

I think we do also steve2470 Apr 2013 #9

I'm sorry, but you're wrong Oilwellian Apr 2013 #25

Ok yes you're correct, sincerely. steve2470 Apr 2013 #26

No problemo Oilwellian Apr 2013 #33

I'm very angry also steve2470 Apr 2013 #31

There can't be too many threads on this. This is peoples' lives we're talking about. forestpath Apr 2013 #12

agreed nt steve2470 Apr 2013 #17

+1 MotherPetrie Apr 2013 #23

You mean you don't want another thread UnrepentantLiberal Apr 2013 #24

The more threads and posts on this the better. Gonna be a lot of them Autumn Apr 2013 #32

Meh. I'd say its past time DU obsessed on a different kind of boob. n/t winter is coming Apr 2013 #57

Depends who "we" is, I suppose cthulu2016 Apr 2013 #91

We do all with raging FOX errr false outrage in all of them. whistler162 Apr 2013 #163

The Democratic party will never recover from this. forestpath Apr 2013 #7

What Democratic Party? Nite Owl Apr 2013 #13

Good point. forestpath Apr 2013 #15

Good. Maybe The Left will get off its ass and fill the vacuum n/t leftstreet Apr 2013 #141

Actually it's 10 steps ahead.BTW, it hasn't happened, has it? graham4anything Apr 2013 #8

You are advocating for cuts with the notion people should sacrifice more? Nt abelenkpe Apr 2013 #29

i am advocating for a France like system that has no need for SS in the future graham4anything Apr 2013 #34

Yeah... I don't think that's what JFK had in mind. cherokeeprogressive Apr 2013 #39

Baby boomers paid forward. JDPriestly Apr 2013 #43

Send the White House a message now: clydefrand Apr 2013 #10

done ! steve2470 Apr 2013 #14

Done panader0 Apr 2013 #21

Just called. forestpath Apr 2013 #35

Thank you and done. snappyturtle Apr 2013 #67

Thank you... nenagh Apr 2013 #82

Done susanr516 Apr 2013 #154

Thank you for link I just gave them my very frank (read: negative) opinion nt LiberalElite Apr 2013 #162

Done dflprincess Apr 2013 #167

Thank you! City Lights Apr 2013 #192

Say it is rejected outright..... NCTraveler Apr 2013 #18

Exactly Puzzledtraveller Apr 2013 #20

Yup. I don't get it. At all. DanTex Apr 2013 #22

"The truth of the matter is UnrepentantLiberal Apr 2013 #27

Reagan signed a bill to protect SS back in the 80's. So Obama has just proved he's even forestpath Apr 2013 #38

fuck jollyreaper2112 Apr 2013 #61

Yup... progressoid Apr 2013 #89

Well, isn't that special. Beacool Apr 2013 #168

That is one helluva quote. nt City Lights Apr 2013 #140

I'm not at all surprised. RevStPatrick Apr 2013 #36

spoken like a true maroon MjolnirTime Apr 2013 #42

Ummm... Yeah, whatever... RevStPatrick Apr 2013 #94

Relax. He's just warming up. MannyGoldstein Apr 2013 #37

His legacy will be the first Jakes Progress Apr 2013 #47

I'd argue that Obama's pretty far to the right of Reagan MannyGoldstein Apr 2013 #50

He's to the right of Bush II. Seriously. duffyduff Apr 2013 #173

Post removed Post removed Apr 2013 #51

Trying to beat out Clinton? Mnpaul Apr 2013 #69

...and we thought Clinton took the party to the right. Well Obama may be moving to the right but... L0oniX Apr 2013 #88

not to mention sign off on the Keystone XL pipeline! NoMoreWarNow Apr 2013 #64

He's big on "public-private partnerships," you know duffyduff Apr 2013 #172

and that Mother killed her baby, too, huh?!? You need to take a break. MjolnirTime Apr 2013 #40

How very sensible of you. Jakes Progress Apr 2013 #45

I've watched both of you hate on Obama for years. And accomplish jack shit. MjolnirTime Apr 2013 #48

You have been here for only one and a half years. Bonobo Apr 2013 #60

Snap! Hell Hath No Fury Apr 2013 #84

Whichever one, we know he can't count. Jakes Progress Apr 2013 #92

STOP IT BONOBO Skittles Apr 2013 #122

So you are glad about cutting SS? Jakes Progress Apr 2013 #90

Classic: 99Forever Apr 2013 #100

Thanks Capt. Obvious Apr 2013 #158

No. If anything it is not strong enough. JDPriestly Apr 2013 #46

If you were once an Obama supporter, then it is you who is doing the betraying. MjolnirTime Apr 2013 #49

and people like YOU are committing a far, far, far uglier betrayal cali Apr 2013 #54

I'll support Obama over you any day of the week. He has actually helped this Country while you typed MjolnirTime Apr 2013 #58

could you get any sillier or off topic? It would be hard. cali Apr 2013 #62

Maybe we're not all going to stay in your precious group of brown shirts and lock step. n/t L0oniX Apr 2013 #93

When people get stabbed in the back OwnedByCats Apr 2013 #184

you mean it is ANOTHER betrayal hfojvt Apr 2013 #75

pathetic, sweetums. cali Apr 2013 #52

It proves you shoot first and ask questions later. You're a blowhard. That's all. MjolnirTime Apr 2013 #56

I just served on a jury that voted to leave your post standing. I am juror number three. Raster Apr 2013 #68

I'm not going to thank you for this. In fact, I'm going to point out your hypocrisy cali Apr 2013 #71

oh please dearie, if you didn't give a damn you wouldn't have responded. Raster Apr 2013 #76

not necessairly about politics hfojvt Apr 2013 #109

Why does that even matter? OwnedByCats Apr 2013 #188

If and when the cuts are enacted, what are you going to say? caseymoz Apr 2013 #72

then we will probably be told hfojvt Apr 2013 #78

And that he is still playing 27-1/4 dimensional chess and that GoneFishin Apr 2013 #102

You are so right... ljm2002 Apr 2013 #63

there are lots of really good Dems-- it is just NoMoreWarNow Apr 2013 #65

Yes there are a few really good Dems... ljm2002 Apr 2013 #66

Withhold our taxes. Fuddnik Apr 2013 #77

Now it gets interesting jRus61 Apr 2013 #80

Like clockwork G_j Apr 2013 #83

yep...I see that happening as well...like clockwork as you say..nt xiamiam Apr 2013 #96

Truly disgusting Smilo Apr 2013 #85

We knew it was coming. He has this need to show just how "bi-partisan" he is. LoisB Apr 2013 #86

It's the culmination ProSense Apr 2013 #87

Multi-dimensional JEB Apr 2013 #95

And even if he is doing this ASSUMING they repukes will still deny the compromise, yodermon Apr 2013 #97

Don't Take this Lying Down pmorlan1 Apr 2013 #101

Thank goodness the Republicans can't take yes for an answer. BlueCheese Apr 2013 #104

We point our finger at the wrong person Life Long Dem Apr 2013 #105

It's a horrific deal. thank goodness the repukes won't take it. cali Apr 2013 #110

Party of 'no' Life Long Dem Apr 2013 #117

That's what bother me treestar Apr 2013 #126

Frankly, I'm glad they're NOT taking it at this point . . . markpkessinger Apr 2013 #143

But that's not the point Life Long Dem Apr 2013 #146

I know all about why they're not talking the deal . . . markpkessinger Apr 2013 #147

I don't put much weight in whether something is on the table or off the table Life Long Dem Apr 2013 #148

The Joe Biden quote Babel_17 Apr 2013 #111

After the campaign, the President returned to his fairly far right-of-center governance indepat Apr 2013 #112

HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Apr 2013 #113

K&R DeSwiss Apr 2013 #119

IF it is a political move.....it's the stupidest thing I have ever seen a smart man do. yourout Apr 2013 #120

Alienating your base to demonstrate the already known for the n-teenth time...makes no sense HereSince1628 Apr 2013 #123

A rich guy gambling with the lives of the poor. nt ZombieHorde Apr 2013 #130

Elderly Social Security recipients like me can't take the increase in BP Cleita Apr 2013 #131

I think the plan is to be done with us..if we dont have a stroke they'll freeze or starve us xiamiam Apr 2013 #153

or maybe put us out on the ice floes while there still are some eom LiberalElite Apr 2013 #160

Not even 20% tax increases directly. Jack Sprat Apr 2013 #138

The White House already brews beer. KamaAina Apr 2013 #144

It`s like a National Ping Pong championship with President Obama. democrank Apr 2013 #145

It's getting harder and harder to defend his bullshit... AzDar Apr 2013 #149

Now is the time to hold his feet to the fire. Here is the Move On letter: Faryn Balyncd Apr 2013 #152

Besides it's no way to start the bargain. The Grand Bargain is "we will cut SS if you promise not to rhett o rick Apr 2013 #155

Past tense? Were are now getting pre-emptively hysterical? Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #156

Grandma, Meet Cliff. blkmusclmachine Apr 2013 #157

"If this were a dictatorship it would be a heck of a lot easier... as long as I'm the dictator. Hehe Pryderi Apr 2013 #159

Wow; you people have hit the nail on the head pandadug Apr 2013 #164

Good first post, we are all figuring it out as you are doing. You described very well the sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #166

Thank you for the welcome :) pandadug Apr 2013 #169

The elderly and disabled are so fun to play with jsr Apr 2013 #165

The"far left"are "trying to stop the President from showing leadership in entitlement reform" Douglas Carpenter Apr 2013 #170

The country won't long survive this neoliberal shit duffyduff Apr 2013 #171

More and more are waking 840high Apr 2013 #175

One notch lower for mankind, President Obama. n/t RKP5637 Apr 2013 #176

I couldn't agree more... tex-wyo-dem Apr 2013 #179

+1000 nt ProudProgressiveNow Apr 2013 #181

kick nt steve2470 Apr 2013 #189

kick woo me with science Apr 2013 #194

Boehner has already rejected it. jazzimov Apr 2013 #195

If Hillary is against raising the cap then I won't vote for her. YOHABLO Jan 2014 #196