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I Think Obama Is Bluffing
by Michael Tomasky
Liberals are upset today because Obama's budget is going to include a call for chained CPI and some means-testing of Medicare. Krugman thinks he seeks the approval of the Serious People. Chait concurs. Ezra Klein tweeted earlier today that it appears that Obama is once again opening a negotiation at the other side's halfway point...But I tend to agree with Kevin Drum on this one. Drum writes that Obama doesn't really expect the GOP to budge on taxes and therefore doesn't expect a deal at all. And that Republicans, rather than make a deal, would prefer to continue to have the deficit as an issue to bang Obama with:
This sounds right to me. The risk Obama runs here is that the GOP calls his bluff and does a 180 and says, "Okay, you want some tax increases? We'll go to $300 billion." Or some other smallish figure. Then he'll have to play ball.
But I think the risk of that is small. Can you picture the Republicans giving ground on taxes before 2014? I can't. They'll keep demagoguing the deficit and run on that. The risk for them is that the deficit really goes down and no one gives a crap about it anymore. It's expected to be $845 billion in October. It could be lower. And then what if it's just $500 billion the following October, the month before the election? It'll fade as an issue. Obama will be able to run around on the campaign trail saying he reduced the deficit nearly $1 trillion in two years in such an event. Not implausible.
All that said, people like Bernie Sanders should keep up the pressure in the meantime. But I see no incentive for the GOP to come to terms, and I think the Potus knows it.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/04/05/i-think-obama-is-bluffing.html
by Michael Tomasky
Liberals are upset today because Obama's budget is going to include a call for chained CPI and some means-testing of Medicare. Krugman thinks he seeks the approval of the Serious People. Chait concurs. Ezra Klein tweeted earlier today that it appears that Obama is once again opening a negotiation at the other side's halfway point...But I tend to agree with Kevin Drum on this one. Drum writes that Obama doesn't really expect the GOP to budge on taxes and therefore doesn't expect a deal at all. And that Republicans, rather than make a deal, would prefer to continue to have the deficit as an issue to bang Obama with:
The truth is that, for the most part, the deficit isn't a real issue for Republicans. They don't want to raise taxes; they don't want to cut defense spending; they don't want to cut entitlement spending on seniors (the core of their base); and cutting future entitlements doesn't affect the deficit any time soon. The only thing left is cutting spending on the poor, and although Republicans think that's a fine idea, even they can't cut social welfare spending enough to have a serious impact on the deficit.
So it's mostly a charade. And it's a good one! One of the very best, in fact. Cutting the deficit polls well, it lends itself nicely to demagoguery, and it's an all-purpose excuse to oppose any spending proposals they don't like. So why on earth would you cut a deal to take it off the table? That would be crazy. And if they're forced to swallow a tax increase as well, that makes it even crazier. There's literally no benefit at all in this for Republicans.
So they won't do it. Obama's real hopesince I assume he's not an idiot and knows all this perfectly wellis that Republicans will indeed refuse to make a deal, and this will turn the public against them in the 2014 midterms. I suppose that's possible, depending on how well he plays his hand. It's certainly more possible than assuming that Republicans will voluntarily commit electoral suicide by agreeing to a deal.
This sounds right to me. The risk Obama runs here is that the GOP calls his bluff and does a 180 and says, "Okay, you want some tax increases? We'll go to $300 billion." Or some other smallish figure. Then he'll have to play ball.
But I think the risk of that is small. Can you picture the Republicans giving ground on taxes before 2014? I can't. They'll keep demagoguing the deficit and run on that. The risk for them is that the deficit really goes down and no one gives a crap about it anymore. It's expected to be $845 billion in October. It could be lower. And then what if it's just $500 billion the following October, the month before the election? It'll fade as an issue. Obama will be able to run around on the campaign trail saying he reduced the deficit nearly $1 trillion in two years in such an event. Not implausible.
All that said, people like Bernie Sanders should keep up the pressure in the meantime. But I see no incentive for the GOP to come to terms, and I think the Potus knows it.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/04/05/i-think-obama-is-bluffing.html
Sen. Bernie Sanders Deeply Disappointed With Obamas Social Security Cuts, Vows To Block Them
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022620870
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the republicans will never sign on to anything he offers-they will never give up oil & gas loopholes
spanone
Apr 2013
#1
You think that voters will love the party for threatening seniors with cuts?
Dragonfli
Apr 2013
#112
And the Sequester slowly but surely ends the economic come back in the meantime?
busterbrown
Apr 2013
#94
That is why I think Obama had another idea up his sleeve. Surely, he knows that SS
CTyankee
Apr 2013
#43
This is the same poster that furiously denied that CPI was EVER offered in the first place. n/t
NOVA_Dem
Apr 2013
#108
Not fair! the poster has never been wrong about anything and neither has Obama!
Dragonfli
Apr 2013
#114
OH Come on!! How many times has Obama put SS and/or Chained CPI on the table???
DearHeart
Apr 2013
#5
If they called his bluff then Obama would lose a fair bit of political capital most likely
Bodhi BloodWave
Apr 2013
#90
This has accomplished what? Ohh...just once more and the dam will break??? Really?
TheKentuckian
Apr 2013
#136
Why? This is about "health" "care" costs right now as the ACA insurance exchanges are brought online
patrice
Apr 2013
#39
Wouldn't it be simpler to point out their mile-long-and-counting track record on that?
JHB
Apr 2013
#85
the problem here is that the repubs are coming back saying "it's not enough" and we're
CTyankee
Apr 2013
#45
but it doesn't get him out of the situation and that is what I think he wants...he wants
CTyankee
Apr 2013
#49
Right. Obama obviously knows this, so he thinks the repugs will suffer at the polls for this,
CTyankee
Apr 2013
#56
Well, they'll SAY anything (and even some Ds will say 'he proposed cuts to SS' as if he meant to.)
elleng
Apr 2013
#77
I think he is, too. I still don't like it but I'm waiting to see how it all works out.
randome
Apr 2013
#10
The idea that the Leader of THIS House would accuse THIS president of "hostage taking"
Volaris
Apr 2013
#68
Maybe if Obama and the repukes worked on what is actually needed, that being JOBS...
DearHeart
Apr 2013
#40
Dear heart, Obama HAS been working on jobs! Didn't you notice the jobs bill he sent to the House?
Hekate
Apr 2013
#104
I'm just not sure that Obama believes that. I think he knows that there are other ways of
CTyankee
Apr 2013
#48
Because obviously, if you wanted to make political hay out of a DOA budget proposal...
Marr
Apr 2013
#15
So the SS and Medicare that many seniors rely on has been reduced to a *poker chip*?
winter is coming
Apr 2013
#16
Do you see any bona fide legislation shafting the 99% on earned benefits? nt.
OldDem2012
Apr 2013
#30
I see a willingness to repeatedly offer it up. You don't offer something that many times
winter is coming
Apr 2013
#33
Yes, it's so funny to read posts from DUers who are worried about how they'll make ends meet.
winter is coming
Apr 2013
#67
If Obama is bluffing - and I don't think he is - he is playing with peoples' lives.
forestpath
Apr 2013
#19
Then let me rephrase: Then HOW can WE make him NOT sacrifice SS to the Repugs if that's
MotherPetrie
Apr 2013
#119
That already happened with Simpson Bowles. Did he not get the message then about how
MotherPetrie
Apr 2013
#121
Well, we now know it's not his "ideal plan" but he's going with it. So screw us.
MotherPetrie
Apr 2013
#129
I just talked to Sen. Pat Roberts's staff person who says the senator will in NO way support
patrice
Apr 2013
#37
I agree with that. Also, HOW would a Public Option have dealt with rising health care costs???
patrice
Apr 2013
#69
My only complaint is that this clever move has emboldened the Obama haters on this forum...
Comrade_McKenzie
Apr 2013
#42
Come on people, don't be deluded. The Reps aren't ever going to agree to a tax increase.
Benton D Struckcheon
Apr 2013
#50
Yeah, the Reps look bad. But so what -- Obama's lost the game already
freedom fighter jh
Apr 2013
#105
Not really. The republicans will surely use this in their propaganda that "Obama wanted to
CTyankee
Apr 2013
#64
Is that really a winning slogan? "Our party leader wants to cut SS - allow us to save you from him!"
muriel_volestrangler
Apr 2013
#127
And warrantless/evidenceless/juryless execution of American citizens on American soil
blkmusclmachine
Apr 2013
#66
What's more prefabricated than, "We don't know who did it, so it MUST be the government" ?
patrice
Apr 2013
#73
I don't think the President is bluffing if republicans come up with suitable revenues.
bluestate10
Apr 2013
#83
Well, that IS a strategy. I hope this is true, & the elderly, disabled & vets don't have to suffer.
Honeycombe8
Apr 2013
#93
If anyone believed this nonsense then they would be happy to hear the pitched outcry
TheKentuckian
Apr 2013
#133