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103. I didn't have any major doubts about where Barack Obama stood in 2008.

Fri Apr 5, 2013, 09:44 PM

Apr 2013

A little to the left of Hillary on some public policy questions and some social issues. Pragmatic. Essentially centrist on many questions concerning business and "public-private partnerships".

There is a small core of progressive leaders in the house and senate, although few from my home state of Tennessee.

I think Barack Obama is a good person. I don't incriminate him for not sharing all of my ethics and beliefs. I didn't vote for him in 2012, I voted for Rocky Anderson of the Justice Party (who by the way, got 0.03% of the vote, or three one-hundredths of one-percent).

I think progressive candidates have to stand for election. People have to find a way to come together to stand united against corporate power, wealthy interests, anti-science fundamentalists, Ayn Rand, etc., etc, etc.

Good post, Samantha.

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I have been a Democrat my entire life... [View all] kentuck Apr 2013 OP

Yeah. Me too. Puglover Apr 2013 #1

Me three. djean111 Apr 2013 #2

What your saying is music to the republicans ears. They are hoping and praying we all southernyankeebelle Apr 2013 #3

To the contrary... kentuck Apr 2013 #5

you should hear the sh!t I get Phlem Apr 2013 #22

I feel the same way Samantha Apr 2013 #50

Thanks Samantha Phlem Apr 2013 #52

I didn't have any major doubts about where Barack Obama stood in 2008. cheapdate Apr 2013 #103

Hey, my family is from Knoxville, TN Samantha Apr 2013 #116

True. But what is the choice you have? Stay home and republicans win. Do you want a teabagger in southernyankeebelle Apr 2013 #25

We should all know this issue. Phlem Apr 2013 #51

I can't argue with anything you said. But lets face it like you said dem are better then the southernyankeebelle Apr 2013 #53

Bernie Sanders is not a Democrat. Curmudgeoness Apr 2013 #73

Independent pmorlan1 Apr 2013 #121

Bernie channels Eugene Debbs! xtraxritical Apr 2013 #149

Not even close. Phlem Apr 2013 #159

Well maybe spittin' distance eh phlem? xtraxritical Apr 2013 #165

Dude Phlem Apr 2013 #167

This: CrispyQ Apr 2013 #152

+1 Phlem Apr 2013 #161

I no longer care. If we had a teabagger we would resist their BS Demo_Chris Apr 2013 #96

We wouldn't be voting be for them in office. Would you? I know I wouldn't ever vote against southernyankeebelle Apr 2013 #102

I would never vote for a teahadist... Demo_Chris Apr 2013 #104

I know what you mean... BlueCheese Apr 2013 #12

True but remember dems will vote against republicans if they vote with that idea in mind. I think southernyankeebelle Apr 2013 #26

They are not immune to their constituents on SS ...it will just take longer for them.. L0oniX Apr 2013 #54

Most of them ARE Immune to their Constituents Because of Gerrymandering AndyTiedye Apr 2013 #119

What of those of us who left the repukes many years ago? aandegoons Apr 2013 #21

Well what is your remedy? Staying home from voting isn't a good option really. You saw what southernyankeebelle Apr 2013 #28

Obama just handed 2014 to the repukes. aandegoons Apr 2013 #31

I don't think so. Hopefully there is enough liberal Dem's to stop it from passing. I think he southernyankeebelle Apr 2013 #35

um they did the same stupid crap in 2010. aandegoons Apr 2013 #38

The blame lies with the democratic politicians, not the voters. liberal_at_heart Apr 2013 #80

I prefer to take my tyranny pure sulphurdunn Apr 2013 #32

So stay home and make the republicans happy, happy, happy. I ask you as a long time fellow southernyankeebelle Apr 2013 #37

I didn't say I'd stay home sulphurdunn Apr 2013 #48

All a Third Party on the Left Can Possibly Do is Throw the Election to the Rapeuglicans AndyTiedye Apr 2013 #106

I do not understand sulphurdunn Apr 2013 #111

Well you saw what Nader didn't when he ran third party. He help put a nail in the dem coffin. How southernyankeebelle Apr 2013 #138

The "Centrist" Clinton Administration CREATED Nader. bvar22 Apr 2013 #154

We really don't know that for sure do we? It could have gone the other way just as easy. southernyankeebelle Apr 2013 #156

Yes. We DO know that. bvar22 Apr 2013 #162

I assume sulphurdunn Apr 2013 #160

Over and over and over Jakes Progress Apr 2013 #49

Hey man, get a chill pill. I'm not yelling at anyone. Do what you want but remember you live with southernyankeebelle Apr 2013 #139

Still over and over. Jakes Progress Apr 2013 #171

See this is the problem... JimDandy Apr 2013 #107

This plus get involved locally. lovelyrita Apr 2013 #136

You're on the right track. Blanks Apr 2013 #144

Well ok who do you want to run in 2016. I would love Bernie Sanders but he'll never ever win, southernyankeebelle Apr 2013 #140

Vote Democratic but give your support to outside organizations like moveon, rhett o rick Apr 2013 #83

I didn't even vote for my blue dog dem. I agree with you. southernyankeebelle Apr 2013 #89

Agree Iwillnevergiveup Apr 2013 #93

Agree. nm rhett o rick Apr 2013 #94

Actually it's Obama's pronouncements that are music to their ears Doctor_J Apr 2013 #130

It is what it is. Hell yes I am disappointed in Obama. I am praying he is just trying to get them southernyankeebelle Apr 2013 #142

Yeah. We can't invest all our energy and resources in politics and elections. limpyhobbler Apr 2013 #4

Since I first voted in 1972... MindPilot Apr 2013 #6

I first voted in 1972, too...and feel George McGovern is the only real Democrat I ever voted for. forestpath Apr 2013 #8

Me, three. July Apr 2013 #76

Me, four CountAllVotes Apr 2013 #78

We Never Recovered from the Loss in 1972 AndyTiedye Apr 2013 #109

K&R forestpath Apr 2013 #7

Yessir. 99Forever Apr 2013 #9

you are absolutely right. No economic justice, no social justice. liberal_at_heart Apr 2013 #10

I believe much of the leadership has drifted away UBEEDelusional Apr 2013 #11

I'm with you, but let's not wait... JimDandy Apr 2013 #110

I remain a democrat and would welcome back my prodigal politicians HereSince1628 Apr 2013 #13

Agree and I'm tired of the schtick Jack Sprat Apr 2013 #14

Nixon was more of a Democrat than Obama! n/t bluethruandthru Apr 2013 #112

No argument from me on that kentuck.n/t Cleita Apr 2013 #15

Your party is drifting away from you. City Lights Apr 2013 #16

Abused by bullies syndrome. ananda Apr 2013 #17

soon we will be like south america - unsafe country with people in shacks n/t 2Design Apr 2013 #18

Pretty broad brush you're painting with there. Puglover Apr 2013 #42

+1000 truebluegreen Apr 2013 #47

I have - Venezuela pre-Chavez - in which people lived in shacks closeupready Apr 2013 #150

Perhaps you didn't read the post I am responding Puglover Apr 2013 #153

No. Actually many South American countries are now being governed by true small "d" Democrats totodeinhere Apr 2013 #43

I`ve been a Democrat for nearly 5 decades. democrank Apr 2013 #19

4 decades here..every dem president except this past election xiamiam Apr 2013 #60

First Vote... Jerry Brown For Governor In 1974... WillyT Apr 2013 #20

First vote - JFK 840high Apr 2013 #65

I'm still in awe of anyone who were able to vote for JFK life long demo Apr 2013 #84

I fully admit I screwed up with my first vote Liberalynn Apr 2013 #85

The older I get... awoke_in_2003 Apr 2013 #23

I know the feeling etherealtruth Apr 2013 #30

"...surrendering to the PTB" gateley Apr 2013 #24

Former Dem here too M_A Apr 2013 #27

+1 Phlem Apr 2013 #41

I have no where else to go, right now my opinion of Politicians is at a low point. gordianot Apr 2013 #29

Feeling the same way. AnnieK401 Apr 2013 #129

There is always only one sulphurdunn Apr 2013 #33

That' a fact. Jack Sprat Apr 2013 #124

Cutting Social Security is political failure for Democrats AND Republicans Aerows Apr 2013 #34

I'm laughing at all the debbie downers here. Same bunch. Every time. n/t lamp_shade Apr 2013 #36

I'm laughing at the pollyannas here. Same bunch. Every time. t Jakes Progress Apr 2013 #55

Wrong! Same bunch but many only crawl out of their dens when there's something to lamp_shade Apr 2013 #59

Follow the thread. Jakes Progress Apr 2013 #170

Dr. King opined that the long arc of history bends toward justice. bluestate10 Apr 2013 #39

The way politics is rigged.... defacto7 Apr 2013 #40

Me too. But not anymore. Fuddnik Apr 2013 #44

In my view, the two parties are the same on economic issues truebluegreen Apr 2013 #45

Yes indeed. The classic con. The shell game. wilsonbooks Apr 2013 #69

Divide and conquer. truebluegreen Apr 2013 #90

You're not drifting away from it, it has drifted away from you ...it kinda started with Clinton. n/t L0oniX Apr 2013 #46

Democrats really should be more than just Republicans who are good on social issues n/t eridani Apr 2013 #56

...... madfloridian Apr 2013 #57

I came to the same conclusion in 2002.... mike_c Apr 2013 #58

My Dad - a life long 840high Apr 2013 #99

Everyone please watch this 16 minute video from TED. Please watch it. riverbendviewgal Apr 2013 #61

That was excellent, thanks for posting. I will follow Ted. Yes, our country is worth saving. mountain grammy Apr 2013 #91

Our President is very smart NanaJackie Apr 2013 #62

I think he cares very much about SS, too -- but he may feel he has no choice. gateley Apr 2013 #70

And the excuses don't work anymore... kentuck Apr 2013 #63

I feel the same way - the 840high Apr 2013 #64

Without economic equality there can be no social equality LeftInTX Apr 2013 #66

Are You Willing to Sacrifice 75 Years of Progress Towards Social Equality? AndyTiedye Apr 2013 #118

No, but Obama is Glitterati Apr 2013 #131

We need a party that truly represents our interests deutsey Apr 2013 #67

I'm not sure what it means to be a Democrat now. JoeDuck Apr 2013 #68

This social equality thing is so much easier to deal with because the country as a whole...... busterbrown Apr 2013 #71

Folks believe way too much in the party system. bigwillq Apr 2013 #72

This is why more of us should run for office. Indyfan53 Apr 2013 #74

Again? Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #75

D's and R's have long been identical on foreign/military/economic policy. delrem Apr 2013 #77

When the pedal hits the metal, the Party sucks on social equality issues, too. blkmusclmachine Apr 2013 #79

What is economic equality? aikoaiko Apr 2013 #81

The sharing of the rewards of production... kentuck Apr 2013 #82

I have to wonder what they teach in business school. Okay class today's lesson is liberal_at_heart Apr 2013 #88

I agree with what you wrote, but there is aikoaiko Apr 2013 #97

True. kentuck Apr 2013 #98

Im with ya mick063 Apr 2013 #86

We need to find a way to elect true believers demwing Apr 2013 #87

any way to sellscoialism DonCoquixote Apr 2013 #95

It's been done everywhere else in the world. Look around. nt delrem Apr 2013 #100

I kinda sorta answered that demwing Apr 2013 #105

let me refine the question DonCoquixote Apr 2013 #114

I understand your question, and have already answered demwing Apr 2013 #137

I can only partially agree -- I don't see the Dems moving to the "right" economically tpsbmam Apr 2013 #92

^^^^^^^^This^^^^^^^ woo me with science Apr 2013 #163

Exactly so, tpsbmam. When you look at the G8 and G20 statements by leaders, including Obama, suffragette Apr 2013 #166

No way. nt babylonsister Apr 2013 #101

You are not alone. ananda Apr 2013 #108

Reform has to come up from the grassroots. nightscanner59 Apr 2013 #113

Too many were happy to take a win in the booth Bonobo Apr 2013 #115

agree. HiPointDem Apr 2013 #117

I'm sorry to see you in a negative place...I've read and respected your opinions for a LONG time Rowdyboy Apr 2013 #120

Thank you DU pmorlan1 Apr 2013 #122

Very well stated, Kentuck. Sad some here do not understand it. Mnemosyne Apr 2013 #123

I may sound strident, but it's late and I'm mad as hell. BrotherIvan Apr 2013 #125

amen DonCoquixote Apr 2013 #126

Serious question for the OP TXcourtney Apr 2013 #127

I agree with the OP and I'm also tired of... PinkFloyd Apr 2013 #128

What passes for the Democratic Party today LiberalEsto Apr 2013 #132

Money trumps peace is the new engine behind the current bi-partisan movement.. midnight Apr 2013 #133

You can remain a Democrat and not have to vote for Democrats Progressive dog Apr 2013 #134

Lost me in the Clinton years, with a sentiment similar to the OP, Alkene Apr 2013 #135

When the workers abandoned the unions, they cut their own throats. olegramps Apr 2013 #141

Same here!! dajoki Apr 2013 #143

When you blinked nineteen50 Apr 2013 #145

It's because a Conservative is in the WH broadcaster75201 Apr 2013 #146

The party has DEFINITELY shifted to the Right -- only a very few good progressives left. whathehell Apr 2013 #147

totally agree Bozita Apr 2013 #148

Been a Dem More than 50 years myself fredamae Apr 2013 #151

From someone looking from the Big Big World, and with the historical credentials.... Bohemianwriter Apr 2013 #155

The Whole Political Baseline Has Moved Right colsohlibgal Apr 2013 #157

And if the tree bears no fruit, it won't last past one winter ... Bake Apr 2013 #158

I think it's to some extent self-deluding... Spider Jerusalem Apr 2013 #164

kick woo me with science Apr 2013 #168

And I will remain a Democrat because of Supreme Court Appointments kiranon Apr 2013 #169