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31. There's nothing "scorched earth" about supporting better organizations.

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 01:15 PM

Feb 2012

Are you suggesting that I have some kind of moral obligation to send money to the Susan G. Komen foundation, which has revealed itself to be at the very least a very poorly run organization that doesn't actually fund much cancer research but pays its leaders a huge amount of money to market trinkets made in China while pretending to help women when in fact they never actually answer the pone or provide any financial assistance to women in need? I'm supposed to give money to that organization because they've now put out a press release saying that Planned Parenthood is "welcome" to send in grant proposals in future years but there's no guarantee that they'll ever be funded by SGK again?

There are much better uses of my money and I will "magnanimously" continue to fund them. Your concern for SGK is misplaced.

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We must show magnanimity to Komen, and all others that relent to our pressures. [View all] WingDinger Feb 2012 OP

Good point. randome Feb 2012 #1

No, they didn't relent Missy Vixen Feb 2012 #2

So, keep up the pressure, giving a positive alternative to bad outcomes. WingDinger Feb 2012 #3

I don't think it's a PR stunt. randome Feb 2012 #5

They have already ripped $12 million in cancer research this year alone. yardwork Feb 2012 #9

All cancer recearch involves stem cells, and they only spend $12 million a year on it? hughee99 Feb 2012 #83

Komen's new restriction on stem cell research is more extreme even than W's position. yardwork Feb 2012 #85

I had thought the $12 million was the total they were spending on hughee99 Feb 2012 #86

Yes, they're pulling $12MM in embryonic stem cell research. yardwork Feb 2012 #91

So unless that represents their entire cancer research investment hughee99 Feb 2012 #93

If we assume good faith on their part. They've given us every reason not to trust them. yardwork Feb 2012 #97

If embryonic stem cell research is very important to breast cancer research hughee99 Feb 2012 #99

Absolutely...... n/t hlthe2b Feb 2012 #13

Komen has not relented to any pressures. They've put out a lying press release - another PR stunt. yardwork Feb 2012 #4

TRUE that! BeHereNow Feb 2012 #8

AFTER the CEO Brinker and the VP Handel step down. rocktivity Feb 2012 #6

...and they restore the funds they withdrew for stem-cell research..and NOT before.. truebrit71 Feb 2012 #11

Chuck Yeager had a mechanic that mistakenly added the wrong fuel into his P51 mustang. WingDinger Feb 2012 #14

The Komen foundation is not my mechanic. yardwork Feb 2012 #16

The Komen Foundation is now "fueled" by partisan politics rocktivity Feb 2012 #20

Isn't the political landscape we traverse already scorched earth? How has that worked for us? WingDinger Feb 2012 #23

There's nothing "scorched earth" about supporting better organizations. yardwork Feb 2012 #31

Only send money to whom you trust. This is not about contributions. WingDinger Feb 2012 #34

This is totally, 100% about contributions. Money that SGK is losing. yardwork Feb 2012 #35

We have a lot more force, than our contributions to Komen. We are becoming WingDinger Feb 2012 #78

In other words, they'll just spin their further right-wing moves better next time. NYC Liberal Feb 2012 #39

For that analogy to have ANY comparison to the situation with Komen... Matariki Feb 2012 #47

right marions ghost Feb 2012 #81

My "magnanimity" will go directly to Planned Parenthood... Spazito Feb 2012 #7

I think we'd be damned fools to assume this is over... given the extreme RW tilt of Komen & new VP hlthe2b Feb 2012 #10

Just make sure your pressure is positive. they will buckle. WingDinger Feb 2012 #18

BS... They have shown their true stripes. Maganimous? Hell. It will be a damned cold day in Hades hlthe2b Feb 2012 #24

you mean, when they stop suing other groups that use "for the cure" or somehow do something niyad Feb 2012 #69

Harden their hearts? You're joking right? BeHereNow Feb 2012 #11

Withdrawal doesnt me they accept our values. It means we won the battle not the war. rhett o rick Feb 2012 #15

I'm not even talking about giving them monies. Just less hostility, for every proper action. WingDinger Feb 2012 #19

No hostility... LanternWaste Feb 2012 #28

Sorry I misunderstood the show them magnanimity part. rhett o rick Feb 2012 #77

We are starting to wield power. Make winners and losers. Push agendas. WingDinger Feb 2012 #101

Do you really think that when the GOP dies that all those 'cons, have simply vanished? rhett o rick Feb 2012 #104

No, but we will rule far longer, if thought egalitarian. WingDinger Feb 2012 #105

My point is that we might not "rule" even w/o a GOP. We are fighting against rhett o rick Feb 2012 #106

they were concerned with total meltdown, not doing what is right. there are still other issues seabeyond Feb 2012 #17

So, make the choice for other institutions as stark as possible. WingDinger Feb 2012 #26

i want this charity to totally fail. go away. i will find other ways to give my money..... nt seabeyond Feb 2012 #29

Actually, after reading more about this so-called charity, I don't know why anyone supports them. NC_Nurse Feb 2012 #21

Their behaviour isn't good - just self serving Serial Mom Feb 2012 #22

That's exactly what they were saying yesterday. EFerrari Feb 2012 #27

The one thing we can count on is: WingDinger Feb 2012 #33

Nah... It's far more satisfying to hold a grudge. n/t leeroysphitz Feb 2012 #25

Politics should not be about personal satisfaction. WingDinger Feb 2012 #30

kill it with fire n/t DisgustipatedinCA Feb 2012 #32

It is true we need to make an effort toward that Raffi Ella Feb 2012 #36

NO- the onus is on Komen to PROVE their word is good. stlsaxman Feb 2012 #37

certainly that is true. And part of the game. WingDinger Feb 2012 #38

It's not a game-- it's health care. LanternWaste Feb 2012 #46

If it were simply about science, we would design a comp program, Democracy 1.0 WingDinger Feb 2012 #49

Get back to me when they fire that PR woman leftynyc Feb 2012 #40

Act magnaminous BUT keep the pressure on... joeybee12 Feb 2012 #41

They do have a way out: throw out the politcal thugs and reverse those policies JHB Feb 2012 #42

See if you still feel that way after watching this: redqueen Feb 2012 #43

Do you require all your rivals leave, at work, to win any argument? WingDinger Feb 2012 #44

Fuck no. Do you really think these subhuman psychopaths learned their lesson? backscatter712 Feb 2012 #45

Again, every human can be relied upon to act in their own best interest. Tht is all we need to trust WingDinger Feb 2012 #48

No, as far as Komen is concerned, we must continue to pound them into the mud hatrack Feb 2012 #50

with all due respect, you are wrong DonCoquixote Feb 2012 #51

Um, we did win. randome Feb 2012 #53

no, we did not obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #58

we won the battle DonCoquixote Feb 2012 #61

I agree completely. randome Feb 2012 #63

sorry, but DonCoquixote Feb 2012 #84

Planned Parenthood released a statement praising Komen for their reversal. randome Feb 2012 #52

Did Johns-Hopkins release a statement praising Komen for re-installing funding stlsaxman Feb 2012 #64

Like pretty much everyone is saying on this thread... randome Feb 2012 #65

how is that working out with the banksters and the mic? or any of the reichwing fundies, or niyad Feb 2012 #74

Can't afford to pass up sources of money when people's lives are on the line. randome Feb 2012 #76

only when that source is actually doing something good and positive. niyad Feb 2012 #94

No one is saying what you should be doing with your money. randome Feb 2012 #95

Destroying that cash cow is not only cathartic- it's imperative. SGK should be audited stlsaxman Feb 2012 #96

No doubt something is seriously wrong at Komen. randome Feb 2012 #98

Spectacularly Naive Outlook. Paladin Feb 2012 #54

+1 slay Feb 2012 #56

Anyone slightly familiar with my posting style, would deem me a hard charging tactician. WingDinger Feb 2012 #60

Yeah, Right...... (n/t) Paladin Feb 2012 #79

Um... no thanks. slay Feb 2012 #55

let them off with a slap on the wrist magical thyme Feb 2012 #57

The OP said not to stop the pressure. randome Feb 2012 #62

that doesn't go far enough magical thyme Feb 2012 #89

hahahahaha obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #59

really? the top levels of that corporation are about as corrupt as can be, certainly as self- niyad Feb 2012 #66

Destruction seems to be the best example. Do right or dry up and blow away. TheKentuckian Feb 2012 #67

see post #26 WingDinger Feb 2012 #70

I'm sure the relenting had nothing to do with the fact SomethingFishy Feb 2012 #68

by the way, which other organizations have relented to our pressure? I cannot think of any. niyad Feb 2012 #71

We have just begun to feel our oats. We dont waste political capital on petulance. WingDinger Feb 2012 #73

what the hell is a "tebowe"? niyad Feb 2012 #75

Sorry I can't Horse with no Name Feb 2012 #72

Never. Guess what would happen if you finally had a mad dog backed into a corner... alphafemale Feb 2012 #80

love your analogy Carolina Feb 2012 #82

How we deal with opponents, goes further than one isolated instance. WingDinger Feb 2012 #103

No I can't do that since I found out what they are really about (RW politics) Raine Feb 2012 #87

and fire that anti-choice anti-gay VP AND mzteris Feb 2012 #88

NEGATRON. tabasco Feb 2012 #90

uh no ibegurpard Feb 2012 #92

Well I never gave to them or bought roody Feb 2012 #100

Absolutely! If by "magnanimity" you mean "expose the lying, political shitbags, mikeytherat Feb 2012 #102