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stupidicus

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20. I've been bashing the bashers you described
Sat Apr 6, 2013, 11:56 AM
Apr 2013

from almost my first day here as a participant.

The simple fact of the matter is that all the bashing of the sort you and many others have fallen victim to is done by those who are part of the problems we address with our criticisms, and not part of the solution. They are perfectly entitled to disagree with us, but that disagreement has largely taken the form of insults intended solely to discourage (censorship) debate, and often have been the beginning and end of it.

What I've found to be most insulting and disgusting about all of it going back well before the election, is the way they project their hatefullness and divisiveness onto us with the namecalling which "basher" is, and one of the less "flattering" as well. It is they that are the hatefull and divisive ones, who have made a mockery of the definition of what it means to be "liberal" in the non-political, denotative sense, as well as politically in terms of some of the things upon which we disagree.

My feelings about BHO haven't changed much since I voted for him the first time, because I knew what I was voting for in terms of what he'd likely do, and there have been very few significant surprises. I had very little in the way of doubt before voting for him this last time, that we'd be seeing him put SS, etc, on the table as he has.

The bashers have accomplished nothing but sowing discord in our ranks at a time when we need complete unity, and in imo, that unity needed to be seen and heard before the election whether it would have changed anything or not. I've long thought and argued around here that all the bashing could have been the proverbial straw that broke the backs of many otherwise wouldbe BHO voters last year, compelling them to stay home, simply because they were made to feel unwelcome in the "party" by the bashers. As also noted, only the level of fear for the rightwingnuttery Mutt represented likely limited the damage they did with their BS.

But we are and have been the "divisive and hateful" ones. They simply either lack the intellectual heft and/or integrity, or the mental acuity to resolve constructive, heartfelt criticisms and the hateful "bashing" the enemy does into the two separate and distinct things they are, or in the alternative, simply don't care to for all the wrong reasons. Hindsight is no replacement for foresight, but it's far better than the blindness they promote with their bashing.

Hopefully this situation will finally open their eyes. I've seen a lot of the "bashers" pretending none of that ever happened or that they participated in it, but I haven't even thought about looking for any apologies for it.

tell them to kiss your ass and to call it a love story...lol

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Obama is temporary. It will happen again in 2016 without systemic change. woo me with science Apr 2013 #1
Obama will have more of an effect on this planet and its people than you ever will. MjolnirTime Apr 2013 #3
Enjoy your Solace? bobduca Apr 2013 #15
Speaking of a petulant child . . . BlueCaliDem Apr 2013 #40
Post removed Post removed Apr 2013 #41
! In_The_Wind Apr 2013 #44
I remember you! Le Taz Hot Apr 2013 #82
Glad to know I made such an impression BlueCaliDem Apr 2013 #88
No bookmarks. Le Taz Hot Apr 2013 #99
That made no fucking sense. Fantastic Anarchist Apr 2013 #30
No, I'd say people who can't see past the immediate present are the problem. And those who refuse to KittyWampus Apr 2013 #31
Three measly sentences. BlueCaliDem Apr 2013 #42
What does my "ideology" have to do with what we're talking about? Fantastic Anarchist Apr 2013 #60
It doesn't serve your ideology BlueCaliDem Apr 2013 #61
You're just too cute. Fantastic Anarchist Apr 2013 #64
Aaaaaand . . . BlueCaliDem Apr 2013 #89
If you want to have the last word, at least ... Fantastic Anarchist Apr 2013 #92
Well, of course you don't think my response was interesting . . . BlueCaliDem Apr 2013 #94
Soooooooo ... Fantastic Anarchist Apr 2013 #103
solace? Blue Palasky Apr 2013 #34
How about you take your own advice? BlueCaliDem Apr 2013 #37
solace - WTF 840high Apr 2013 #38
Here. Lemme help you... BlueCaliDem Apr 2013 #43
Yeah. Like the time he locked up and threw away the key on all the banksters. Octafish Apr 2013 #47
Oh hell yeah! How many people get the Nobel Peace prize?? pocoloco Apr 2013 #91
I'd say the peace prize was given out prematurely.. MrMickeysMom Apr 2013 #109
Absolutely Woo. 99Forever Apr 2013 #10
Exactly, it's way past time to move on past individual personalities. The damage sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #11
Yep. Obama is a mere symptom of a bigger problem. jsr Apr 2013 #23
It's a question of ethics, honesty and intent Demeter Apr 2013 #39
I have come to the conclusion that he aspires to the global elite newthinking Apr 2013 #70
A highly lucrative future awaits him and his family jsr Apr 2013 #96
Now that is a nice, succinct, and accurate summary. Beer Swiller Apr 2013 #48
2014 treestar Apr 2013 #68
End of discussion, right there. DollarBillHines Apr 2013 #74
Perfect! Le Taz Hot Apr 2013 #83
+1 deutsey Apr 2013 #84
And that is the truth. Your post details the problem Autumn Apr 2013 #90
Thanks for the link. woo me with science Apr 2013 #108
and thus has it ever been. tomp Apr 2013 #95
You've been bashing so long you don't even recognize it. MjolnirTime Apr 2013 #2
I do not have a history of bashing the President. I have stayed out cali Apr 2013 #4
You're the one who is feeling so self-conscious that you needed to post a thread about this. MjolnirTime Apr 2013 #7
oh fer fuckity fuck's sake. I don't regret what I've written here cali Apr 2013 #8
How do you define bashing? Broward Apr 2013 #5
I think that "bash" is an intellectually dishonest term G_j Apr 2013 #12
So is the word "hater" choie Apr 2013 #14
Yea G_j Apr 2013 #16
How about BlueCaliDem Apr 2013 #45
Why? G_j Apr 2013 #50
If these people BlueCaliDem Apr 2013 #52
That is quite a broad brush G_j Apr 2013 #53
Well, BlueCaliDem Apr 2013 #54
You have not sulphurdunn Apr 2013 #100
Oh. Was I supposed to conform to your idea of how, when, and what to post? BlueCaliDem Apr 2013 #101
I guess you sulphurdunn Apr 2013 #102
I have not seen Cali bash the President, I have seen her be honest about some of his sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #13
I've read that statement directed at me so many times I can't JDPriestly Apr 2013 #26
You need to read my post and see just how wrong you are. BlueCaliDem Apr 2013 #46
In general elections, and in particular in 2012, I was a huge Obama JDPriestly Apr 2013 #59
The SSA Trustee Report for 2012 BlueCaliDem Apr 2013 #63
Pure comedy MFrohike Apr 2013 #73
what is he supposed to do think_critically Apr 2013 #72
Actually, LBJ, yes, Lyndon B. Johnson pushed this country JDPriestly Apr 2013 #77
I will take a 1000 critical Obama DUers for every one 100% blind supporter! n-t Logical Apr 2013 #93
Interestingly enough, LWolf Apr 2013 #6
I certainly am not feeling "warm and fuzzy" about him right now (to say the least) etherealtruth Apr 2013 #9
I don't think any DUer would agree with President Obama on every single issue. Nye Bevan Apr 2013 #17
For many the President is likeable the way Reagan way liked by many too UBEEDelusional Apr 2013 #18
You are not alone newfie11 Apr 2013 #19
I've been bashing the bashers you described stupidicus Apr 2013 #20
The interesting part of your post, is the extent to which you project. JoePhilly Apr 2013 #35
your imagination doesn't count stupidicus Apr 2013 #57
No, you are not alone n/t dajoki Apr 2013 #21
I try to be positive also...but am tired of chess, compromise, weak hands and being bullied. NRaleighLiberal Apr 2013 #22
You put it so well. +10000 JDPriestly Apr 2013 #24
Cali donnasgirl Apr 2013 #25
Cali - You Are Not Alone - I Agree With Your Points And Sentiment cantbeserious Apr 2013 #27
The good news is that The President isn't going to run for office ever again so you can... Walk away Apr 2013 #28
You are not alone. Fantastic Anarchist Apr 2013 #29
He started out caving and/or capitulating. L0oniX Apr 2013 #32
I am as liberal as it gets and I judge all politicians by the same standards. I don't care forestpath Apr 2013 #33
I know how you feel...It's hard not to like him, personally, but his policies are what counts. whathehell Apr 2013 #36
Honest criticism is not bashing. Kablooie Apr 2013 #49
Since most of us don't in any substantive way know most of these politicians TheKentuckian Apr 2013 #51
There is bashing and there is criticizing. Both different. Which do you think you do? demosincebirth Apr 2013 #55
why ask? I made that clear both in the op and subsequent posts. cali Apr 2013 #56
You're not alone, Cali. Blue_In_AK Apr 2013 #58
I truly do not have bad feelings for Obama as a person Teamster Jeff Apr 2013 #62
you have the sane view, cali Skittles Apr 2013 #65
I'm conflicted because I'm a big fan the man in the Oval Office and feel he has governed a hundred indepat Apr 2013 #66
You are not alone. Faryn Balyncd Apr 2013 #67
How I feel about Boner and the Republicans treestar Apr 2013 #69
K&R MotherPetrie Apr 2013 #71
I dont think he can do anything wrong markboxer Apr 2013 #75
I appreciate other's points of view if it is on policy davidpdx Apr 2013 #76
you are not alone. nt awoke_in_2003 Apr 2013 #78
Obama is a symptom, blkmusclmachine Apr 2013 #79
Discussions like this one are the reason I don't post here often. 4bucksagallon Apr 2013 #80
I know the feeling Pakid Apr 2013 #81
The President Is Middle of the Road Left Turn Only Apr 2013 #85
Destroying the New Deal, Great Society, and public education are NOT moderate stances duffyduff Apr 2013 #105
Let's Take a Deep Breath Left Turn Only Apr 2013 #107
After reading dozens Coolest Ranger Apr 2013 #86
Two points - he is not the problem Cosmocat Apr 2013 #87
Very Smart think_critically Apr 2013 #110
Man Cosmocat Apr 2013 #111
The entire party is a disappointment. CrispyQ Apr 2013 #97
I completely understand nt steve2470 Apr 2013 #98
Criticism isn't bashing duffyduff Apr 2013 #104
I'm right there with you, Cali n/t markpkessinger Apr 2013 #106
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