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Dragonfli

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37. I don't want to appear insulting, but if this is a wedge issue to go after GOP
Sat Apr 6, 2013, 02:13 PM
Apr 2013

voters who are retired or about to retire and he wants them to know that the GOP tea-nazis in the house are continuing to attempt to cut earned benefits, then his strategy is ill advised, counter productive and more than a little stupid.

His Strategy appears to be to propose these cuts himself and trick the GOP into not voting for cuts because he knows they hate taxes and tax increases would be part of the deal.

This strategy will not point out to the GOP retirees that the tea gopers want cuts (even tho I concede they do) but that HE does as HE is the one putting them on the table. It will show them instead that the house tea nazies hate taxes and will not vote to increase them, something GOP voters including those of retirement age agree with.

In addition, a problem is created by this strategy that would not be a problem If the President did not offer cuts to earned benefits as a Democrat. It will become a wedge issue that will work against HIM (and by extension our party). A wedge affecting BOTH party's retired or about to retire. They will see HIM offering cuts to their earned benefits, not the tea nozzles. Many of the NOW angry seniors in OUR party may even credit the GOP with stopping him from achieving these cuts by refusing the deal (they may not care why, that it is only to avoid tax increases, they will just be glad someone stopped it, that they were defended somehow), the GOP elderly will believe wholeheartedly that the GOP protected them almost unanimously.

This has no other possible outcome but to backfire against him and by extension against the Democratic party.

Unless, they call his bluff, then He will be known as a Democrat that achieved cuts to earned benefits with the help of bipartisan support and not just a Democrat that made the callous proposal.

That outcome may be slightly better politically but only because the GOP nuts don't get to act the heros that prevented cuts. It will still be a large net loss for the Democratic brand because it will cause a great deal of anger to be directed towards Obama and by extension the Democratic party by the elderly of both parties.

It is a really really bad strategy, that is why I do not think it is strategy, I think Obama's Ideology really sucks regarding entitlements, I think he really wants to cut them.

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You are correct. So much for being able to "hold his feet to the fire" DearHeart Apr 2013 #1
If we are the leaders we've been waiting for... why is our President refusing to follow? villager Apr 2013 #4
Good question! We are his bosses, but he's being insubordinate! DearHeart Apr 2013 #6
His GPS keeps saying, "Recalculating" tblue Apr 2013 #29
a Solution MisterP Apr 2013 #40
"All hat no cattle". xtraxritical Apr 2013 #39
Neoliberalism is the only liberalism we got now unrepentant progress Apr 2013 #2
Which is far right policies bordering on fascism duffyduff Apr 2013 #17
Exactly unrepentant progress Apr 2013 #24
I don't know what the hell is going on. femmocrat Apr 2013 #3
He shows up during campaigns, then is quickly retired villager Apr 2013 #5
Well, I do know what's going on and I've known it for years. Raksha Apr 2013 #27
Same here. AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #42
+1 rateyes Apr 2013 #45
In my opinion, Obama decided to do this years ago, and has no interest in public opinion, djean111 Apr 2013 #7
Oh, it definitely predates his election unrepentant progress Apr 2013 #26
It will be very difficult, but it's important not to spoil the Democrats' chances in 2014. Raksha Apr 2013 #30
Great idea! djean111 Apr 2013 #31
Nah. It's a very vocal minority... WorseBeforeBetter Apr 2013 #38
+1 villager Apr 2013 #32
+1 forestpath Apr 2013 #34
Exactly. AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #44
Stone deaf re. education. Doesn't know; doesn't WANT to know... n/t Smarmie Doofus Apr 2013 #8
He DOES know, and in fact thought the GOP had the right ideas on it duffyduff Apr 2013 #19
You aren't alone in making that assumption. Wwagsthedog Apr 2013 #9
Bush and Obama are both damn good listeners. Autumn Apr 2013 #10
Public Opinion in BOTH parties on Social Security is "Do Not Change Anything" whathehell Apr 2013 #11
I don't want to appear insulting, but you do understand that the President can SAY anything.... OldDem2012 Apr 2013 #12
So why not SAY he isn't going to cut Social Security then? villager Apr 2013 #13
He wants to gut it. That's the point. duffyduff Apr 2013 #21
LOL. Nonsense. It's a wedge issue. nt. OldDem2012 Apr 2013 #23
You're sadly minsinformed. He's not "gutting" anything. BlueCaliDem Apr 2013 #28
Because he's using this as a wedge issue to go after all of those GOP voters who.... OldDem2012 Apr 2013 #22
I don't want to appear insulting, but if this is a wedge issue to go after GOP Dragonfli Apr 2013 #37
I see it the same way-- that argument makes no logical sense. Marr Apr 2013 #41
It is either extremely bad strategy, or revealing of his personal ideology Dragonfli Apr 2013 #47
Explain his education policies, which haven't gone through Congress duffyduff Apr 2013 #20
Hmmm. What exact education legislation has been created by the White House?.... OldDem2012 Apr 2013 #25
for the life of me, I can't understand why he did this. There appears to be no up side CTyankee Apr 2013 #36
Why? AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #46
unnnn, this is logic be damned, at least Bush could blame his adivsers Obama on the other hand uponit7771 Apr 2013 #14
Try his rotten education policies, which are even worse duffyduff Apr 2013 #15
Sure it appears to be. I mean he is totally ignoring people's opinion on the issue. Cleita Apr 2013 #16
Obama has been talking about "reforming" Social Security since before he took office jsr Apr 2013 #18
Good comparison, and Obama will end up as reviled over this as Bush has been over Iraq. forestpath Apr 2013 #33
It ain't U,V. >>>that is all. Dryvinwhileblind Apr 2013 #35
It's not Obama's fault. agent46 Apr 2013 #43
like tinkerbelle he will fade away if we don't believe hard enough, don't let tinkerbelle die! Dragonfli Apr 2013 #48
He has adopted or pretended to adopt a false view of SS. DirkGently Apr 2013 #49
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