Muslim Women Shockingly Not Grateful for Topless European Ladies Trying To Save Them

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170. Islamophobia is not an acceptable substitute for knowledge of history.

All three (four, really, can't forget Mormonism!) Abrahamic faiths are fucking awful with regards to women. Really, arguing over who treats women worse between them is like arguing over which turd smells worse.

The illusion that Christianity / Judiasm / Mormonism are "better" has nothing to do with the religions in question. The condition of women in the west is almost totally in spite of these religions.

See, a funny thing that Europeans and their descendant colonies forget, while preening about how awesome and enlightened they are, is that the overwhelming majority of Europe's history is characterized by religious warfare. The subcontinent has, in historical terms, only very recently crawled out of its mire of crusades, purges, schisms, inquisitions, and god knows what else. it didn't crawl out of the shit it was in because, oh, the religions got better. it happened because the people threw revolutions, overthrew governments, and did what they could to fence religion off from temporal power. And as we see in the United States - and still in parts of Europe - it's a constant struggle to keep[/] it that way.

Now despite the Gellarisms you might have accepted as truth, the Muslim world does not have this sort of history. There's been conflicts within the Muslim world of course, but hardly the constant roil of slaughter and massacre that defined Christianity in Europe. So much of the Muslim world didn't have the same incentive to build those same fences between religion and power. The two traveled together in tandem, and while it probably wasn't a utopian paradise by any means, it generally lacked the abuses the relationship forged in Europe.

But then, knock the power out of the "Power" side of the equation in the Muslim world - a series of setbacks, such as Hulegu's decimation of the Abassids, Seville's conquest of al-Andalus, then the Ottomans basically becoming an insular regime that hemorrhages wealth taken from their provinces on mercenaries in Europe, then that empire's collapse and the conquest of the Muslim world by Europe, followed by "Western powers" giving their support to autocratic, and frankly savage rulers (the Sauds, Assad, Saddam, the Taliban, the Shah, Egypt's military junta, all had the complete support of the "enlightened Christian west&quot and what the fuck do you think is going to happen?

Take a look at Christianity in sub-Saharan Africa; Same religion as Europe, but - again - without the attending history to demand tall fences between religion and temporal power. Would you rather be a woman in Muslim Tunisia, or a woman in Christian Liberia? If you've got any sense, you're picking Tunis over Freetown.

it's not that some religions are better than others - most, Abrahamic or no, treat women like shit - it's just that some cultures wall off religion better than others, and they do this due to historical influence rather than some native "betterness."