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In reply to the discussion: I haven't been able to shake the feeling I got when my daughter said "I think men are smarter than [View all]Donald Ian Rankin
(13,598 posts)73. I'd suggest teaching her about the difference between statistical and absolute claims.
Yes, it's entirely true that on most measures of mental abilities, men score higher than women *on average*.
So the statement "on average, men are smarter than women", while clumsy, is closer to being true than it is to being false.
But the intersex variation is tiny compared to the intrasex variation - on most tests, the difference in average will only be a few points, whereas the standard deviation for ... no, I'm realising as I type that this is probably pitching it too high for a child, isn't it.
What's a simpler, clearer way of explaining this... hmm.
I'm slightly embarrassed by how hard I'm finding it to come up with ways of discussing the issue without using words like "correlate" and "distribution". If your daughter is mathematically-minded, that's clearly the best way to do it, but if she isn't it's a bit harder.
"Sort of, but not really, and not by much. When you say "men are smarter than women", what you're literally saying is that "all men are smarter than all women - there is not one, woman, anywhere, who is as smart as any man". And that's obviously not true. It's true that, on average, men are very slightly smarter* than women, but there are lots of very smart women too."
Better yet, have a discussion about "thinking about things mathematically" with her before you have one about gender issues - being able to think in terms of correlations rather than absolutes makes it much easier to understand all sorts of things.
*I'm not even touching on the fact that intelligence isn't a single quality - there are lots of different things people use their minds to do, and while being good at those different things is usually strongly-correlated, the correlation isn't perfect. But there's an entire different discussion you could have with her about different kinds of "smartness" and lots of different ways of testing/measuring them, almost certainly including some in which women test higher on average than men.
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I haven't been able to shake the feeling I got when my daughter said "I think men are smarter than [View all]
rainy
Apr 2013
OP
My understanding is that there are more men at both extremes of the IQ spectrum.
winter is coming
Apr 2013
#3
Pure anecdote, but something I noticed years ago teaching large college classes
petronius
Apr 2013
#35
It seems to me that in our Western culture, most women have always expected to "marry up" and
raccoon
Apr 2013
#72
Excellent comments. You know I have a younger sister who was a perfectionist. She became
southernyankeebelle
Apr 2013
#87
If someone had said, "I think women are smarter than men," would you have been floored?
TimberValley
Apr 2013
#7
She'll be a happier kid if she learns to not compare herself to others, but instead pursue her own
bettyellen
Apr 2013
#13
well, you could direct her to the women's rights and issues forum (under gender and orientation)
niyad
Apr 2013
#19
not all women love shoes. My daughter does. I don't. We're all individuals.
liberal_at_heart
Apr 2013
#20
The best advice I can give is to do your best to encourage individualism, period.
Warren DeMontague
Apr 2013
#30
Yeah, the examples of this interdependence among trees/plants is even more amazing.
Bonobo
Apr 2013
#53
Preach. I paint my nails because it's fun and it relaxes me. I made Dean's list.
Butterbean
Apr 2013
#52
Please just slow down, set aside a couple of hours and start that time by asking your
bluestate10
Apr 2013
#55
Luckily, I had a father in the picture when I tried to pull that shit as a child.
smirkymonkey
Apr 2013
#70
I'd suggest teaching her about the difference between statistical and absolute claims.
Donald Ian Rankin
Apr 2013
#73