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In reply to the discussion: Poverty...it's not sexy [View all]

cvoogt

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21. I have been poor in America.
Sun Apr 7, 2013, 09:51 PM
Apr 2013

I speak from experience. I was lucky in that I had the immigrant experience, in a way. We were at or below the poverty line for the first 5 years that we were here, but we did alright after that. But I know there is enormous inequality and it kills me that our tax dollars go to fund wars abroad and barely help the poor among us. We had times when my birthday present was a happy meal toy, or we had gas spill in the trunk of the car and get in the groceries, but we still ate the bread even though it tasted like gasoline. I know: I've been there.

I have also been to other parts of the world and seen what goes on there. It breaks my heart EVERYWHERE. In Atlanta, the homeless got shoved out of the city, out of sight, out of mind, because the Olympics were coming. When I was there I would sometimes take a homeless person to a local eatery, or give them bagels from the local gas station. Not that I could really afford to (I was in debt myself) but I sure as hell could afford it more than they could.

That said, the poor among us are still better off than the poor in some other parts of the world, and I don't care if anyone thinks it's a RW talking point because I am the farthest you can get from RW. When Bush got selected in 04, I moved to Amsterdam in part because I thought the US had lost its collective mind. I dearly wish we could adopt a more socialist and equitable system, like what Holland had until they started making things more free-market, of late. I wish Obama would be much more liberal in his actual policy-making.

In the US I have never seen a 6 year old girl hawking her 6 month old sister as her own daughter in the hopes of receiving a nickel, or homeless folks missing several limbs asking for money for food, or eight year old boys drinking gasoline while selling napkins to stranger. I'm sure others have but my point is it is much more prevalent elsewhere and things are relative. That isn't diminishing anything about the situation here in the US. Both are dire, but elsewhere it is simply more widespread and more severe. I just got back from India and Ethiopia so maybe my opinions are coloured by those recent experiences, since they affected me deeply.

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Poverty...it's not sexy [View all] nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 OP
and we're lucky cvoogt Apr 2013 #1
that is a rw talking point nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #3
thanks cvoogt Apr 2013 #24
Dude, I have seen the same conditions here in the US that you speak of. Lady Freedom Returns Apr 2013 #37
I hear ya cvoogt Apr 2013 #40
Until recently, we also had a much better social safety net, deutsey Apr 2013 #47
I don't think so either.n/t Lady Freedom Returns Apr 2013 #48
tool of oppression? cvoogt Apr 2013 #27
Ok, let me explain this as basically as I can nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #32
Yeah, I know about all that cvoogt Apr 2013 #33
Because they are lazy bastards, and not among the chosen few nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #35
It's not laziness cvoogt Apr 2013 #39
Really? One of five American children go to bed hungry every night. sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #6
A point that needs to be at the front of the entitlement and tax cut for the wealthy discussions.... midnight Apr 2013 #13
Need to sit down nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #19
I have been poor in America. cvoogt Apr 2013 #21
It is not that you think it is a RW talking point nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #34
Seen poverty in Appalachia cvoogt Apr 2013 #36
not golden cvoogt Apr 2013 #41
Very good post and you sound like a wonderful person. sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #46
good point cvoogt Apr 2013 #25
That was true back in the fifties. Today our homeless are no better off than Cleita Apr 2013 #8
Sorry, I posted your sentiments (almost exactly) etherealtruth Apr 2013 #12
No need to apologize. The more posts. The more reinforcement of the truth. eom Cleita Apr 2013 #15
Alas, I am not even speaking of homeless nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #20
I agree cvoogt Apr 2013 #22
The Fascists Koch Brothers and Goldman Sachs are responsible for poverty everywhere Win-the-fight Apr 2013 #28
They pulled a slow one on us cvoogt Apr 2013 #30
Because it was a different form of poverty nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #31
Oh for the love of Pete etherealtruth Apr 2013 #10
hmm cvoogt Apr 2013 #23
... Aristus Apr 2013 #14
+1n/t Lady Freedom Returns Apr 2013 #38
Water...It's not dry. n/t zappaman Apr 2013 #2
Also, being poor is not something people like or want. ananda Apr 2013 #4
So, you're hiring pintobean Apr 2013 #5
I imagine if Nadin had a business she would pay fair wages. But that would sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #7
Excellent post (nt) Tumbulu Apr 2013 #9
I am cvoogt Apr 2013 #26
K&R midnight Apr 2013 #11
Thank you. Nadine, you are my hero. JDPriestly Apr 2013 #16
Trst me, the heroes are the ones going on a hunger strike nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #18
No, it isn't. Beacool Apr 2013 #17
All those poor people are just "poutragers." woo me with science Apr 2013 #29
Fuckin A! TheKentuckian Apr 2013 #42
I hear so many on the other side, and some on our side, talk about how bad it is not... Lady Freedom Returns Apr 2013 #43
Mayor Maureen O'Connor many decades back nadinbrzezinski Apr 2013 #44
Being a Medic, I have no dout that you saw more than your fair share. Lady Freedom Returns Apr 2013 #45
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