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274. I still think that Edwards was left in to the last minute to siphon real progressive votes away ...

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 11:23 AM

Apr 2013

from true progressive candidates like Dennis Kucinich then, with the idea that the PTB knew they could blow up his candidacy at any time, which they did when the options were down to three. Once he was pushed out, then there was only two left (a person of color and a woman), who could help inspire the base to vote for them because of getting in someone with these attributes, when both of them were serving the corporate crony infrastructure we have today by design. I got sucked in to voting for Edwards then, even after he initially pulled out, and would have voted for Kucinich early on if I'd known the complete picture of the choices we had then. A photoshop I did later in frustration of these choices then...

I don't want to feel that frustration in the next nomination process!

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What if we don't want Hillary Clinton as Democratic candidate? [View all] Bennyboy Apr 2013 OP

who is it? spanone Apr 2013 #1

Martin O'Malley PADemD Apr 2013 #115

PLEASE! BobbyBoring Apr 2013 #146

Tax and spend liberal? ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2013 #153

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Me too LTR Apr 2013 #225

Are you a Democrat at all? Voting for a Republican for Governor? kwassa Apr 2013 #208

I live one state over from MD RedstDem Apr 2013 #232

WRONG!! O'Malley has been one of the best governors this state has ever seen. Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2013 #247

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Elizabeth Warren, Alan Grayson, Sherrod Brown Demeter Apr 2013 #244

Add Bernie to the list lark Apr 2013 #325

Sorry, can't do that Demeter Apr 2013 #328

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Can you give me an example? lark Apr 2013 #355

It's 3 years away, why do we need to know now? Myrina Apr 2013 #248

The absolute only chance customerserviceguy Apr 2013 #352

Don't matter what you don't like. The monied interests and back room deals Cleita Apr 2013 #2

This is the truest thing I've read all day. n/t intheflow Apr 2013 #250

Unfortunately, this is the hand we are dealt. juajen Apr 2013 #289

The fact that the right wing media is pushing the "inevitability"meme should tell you something. nt antigop Apr 2013 #300

How did those back room deals get her elected last time? THEY DIDN'T KittyWampus Apr 2013 #317

We need to encourage Warren to run and Dean has been unemployed for a while betterdemsonly Apr 2013 #3

I love Warren, but have no desire to see her as president arcane1 Apr 2013 #6

Actually she can accomplish alot more as President betterdemsonly Apr 2013 #22

Welcome to DU, betterdemsonly! calimary Apr 2013 #134

Hillary didn't just "vote for the war" magical thyme Apr 2013 #163

Bill Richardson?? - Why? karynnj Apr 2013 #255

Chris Richardson? gussmith Apr 2013 #260

oops. Yes. Don't know why I *always* remember his name wrong... magical thyme Apr 2013 #266

Very unusual! You supported Bill Richardson? How magical! juajen Apr 2013 #295

IMO, since Obama eagerly showed his willingness dotymed Apr 2013 #187

Nope betterdemsonly Apr 2013 #192

Obama has done nothing you are interested in? sellitman Apr 2013 #241

Obama's position on Social Security does tend to erase one's memory of whatever else he has done. meti57b Apr 2013 #275

that tendency would indicate a very small mind then. KittyWampus Apr 2013 #319

No, it indicates that messing with Social Security is a *HUGE* wrong-doing and unforgiveable. meti57b Apr 2013 #331

Read the details. sellitman Apr 2013 #359

Actually, it's a fantasy to think that she's prepared to run cali Apr 2013 #230

She won't be able to do any of that if Republicans still control the House. randome Apr 2013 #235

Warren / Grayson ! Autumn Colors Apr 2013 #18

I like that. Warren and Grayson. JDPriestly Apr 2013 #118

Bingo. SheilaT Apr 2013 #137

+ fadedrose Apr 2013 #342

My dream team. n/t bitchkitty Apr 2013 #144

Obama is now in the process of undercutting both of their efforts. AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #220

You're so right! I really hope he is the next head of the DNC. juajen Apr 2013 #298

Why does everyone think Elizabeth Warren -- my senator -- even wants the job? MADem Apr 2013 #57

She didn't want to run for Senate either betterdemsonly Apr 2013 #65

Sure she did. MADem Apr 2013 #103

True...she may not want the job. onpatrol98 Apr 2013 #106

"She's just into fairness" YoungDemCA Apr 2013 #109

Fairness. That's what we want. JDPriestly Apr 2013 #119

"just into fairness" makes her a solid progressive Dem. delrem Apr 2013 #166

Agreed. Welcome to DU. You probably don't think you are still new JDPriestly Apr 2013 #167

Hillary was, too. Autumn Colors Apr 2013 #165

Hillary was a Republican as a teen-ager, because she was raised in a GOP stronghold. MADem Apr 2013 #177

Yep, what you said. Beacool Apr 2013 #197

Warren isn't ready and Dean would lose Renew Deal Apr 2013 #277

How funny! juajen Apr 2013 #287

How funny! I'm really sick of the Clinton supporters who refuse to admit how much damage Clintons antigop Apr 2013 #302

You're delusional. juajen Apr 2013 #305

NO, it's time for a prez who will stick up for American workers. That ain't Hillary. nt antigop Apr 2013 #306

+ fadedrose Apr 2013 #343

I dearly wish that the good Doctor could be on the ticket or in juajen Apr 2013 #290

I agree with you completely, particularly after this past several years. 1-Old-Man Apr 2013 #4

Like it or not, I'd bet the farm that Hillary will be the next President demwing Apr 2013 #72

That is a bet I would not make, either way 1-Old-Man Apr 2013 #79

The thing about her age... demwing Apr 2013 #105

Some of the wisest women I know are in their eighties! nt MADem Apr 2013 #112

It isn't about wisdom. It's about stamina. JDPriestly Apr 2013 #129

I knoow a 90 year old woman who still teaches school three days a week. MADem Apr 2013 #136

All you have to know about Hillary is.... ReRe Apr 2013 #334

Get the list of the Progressive Caucus. Everybody else is DLC. JDPriestly Apr 2013 #336

Thank you dear JD! ReRe Apr 2013 #338

On the other hand, women are 26% demwing Apr 2013 #117

GHW Bush was 64 when he was elected. bornskeptic Apr 2013 #288

My point was more simple demwing Apr 2013 #299

She's already had a 'fall' that resulted in a blood clot. randome Apr 2013 #310

Why do you frame it: a female President? It's what's between the ears that matters, not the legs... peacebird Apr 2013 #132

Would Clinton not be the first Woman President? demwing Apr 2013 #151

As a woman, I do not give a rats ass what sex the Prez is. I just want the best person on the job. peacebird Apr 2013 #182

yeah, me too demwing Apr 2013 #314

Your post said "would not Hillary be. The first female president?" So, back at'cha peacebird Apr 2013 #344

I would hope that mimi85 Apr 2013 #171

Hear, Hear! mimi85 Apr 2013 #176

From an "Old Woman", here goes. We have millions of people in this juajen Apr 2013 #304

Then vote for somebody else. Iggo Apr 2013 #5

kick DonCoquixote Apr 2013 #7

Then you need to find another willing, able candidate to support. n/t pnwmom Apr 2013 #8

I nominate our Lt. Gov. of California Gavin Newsom. Cleita Apr 2013 #12

I doubt if he'd consent to run against Hill -- but what about VP? pnwmom Apr 2013 #15

I doubt if Hillary would have him. He's a real liberal and let's Cleita Apr 2013 #17

During the 08 campaign Obama refused to be photographed with Newsome. Bluenorthwest Apr 2013 #31

I must have missed mimi85 Apr 2013 #172

In 2008 Newsome's scandal was still fresh madville Apr 2013 #226

he is very close to Billary betterdemsonly Apr 2013 #32

He's not an austerian. He brought a lot of progressive programs to San Francisco Cleita Apr 2013 #36

socially progressive betterdemsonly Apr 2013 #38

He actually did what he could in the area considering our glorious governor then, Cleita Apr 2013 #51

Billary? AgingAmerican Apr 2013 #41

We dislike them, but for different reasons betterdemsonly Apr 2013 #45

So adopt their talking points? AgingAmerican Apr 2013 #175

I have only heard the term from fellow New Dealers, to be honest with you betterdemsonly Apr 2013 #194

Billary???????????? Beacool Apr 2013 #199

That is subjective betterdemsonly Apr 2013 #224

It also presumes that on a Democratic site Beacool Apr 2013 #252

Billary? Welcome to DU. Enjoy your stay. Hekate Apr 2013 #228

It'll be a short stay. Beacool Apr 2013 #253

Elizabeth Warren wouldn't do much to balance the ticket, pnwmom Apr 2013 #198

Uh oh.....you called him HOT!!! That's worse than saying "best looking" after listing a host of MADem Apr 2013 #122

They already punished me enough yesterday. Today they will populate my ignore list. n/t Cleita Apr 2013 #124

Hee hee! nt MADem Apr 2013 #130

It's sad when a person get pummelled for stating the truth. truedelphi Apr 2013 #159

Loved that riposte. We need more of that Cleita Apr 2013 #170

Who is this "we" you speak of? DU? Majority of nationwide Democrats? Lil Missy Apr 2013 #9

I think they mean the same who keep posting anti-President Obama and Hillary comments graham4anything Apr 2013 #33

That would be a great way of making gore feel better for losing. Arctic Dave Apr 2013 #43

You could always vote for Alf Landon. There is a laugh. graham4anything Apr 2013 #46

I'll write in Warren. Arctic Dave Apr 2013 #48

I don't care but, you do know Elizabeth Warren voted for Reagan don't you? graham4anything Apr 2013 #54

You were in the booth with her? Arctic Dave Apr 2013 #56

Post removed Post removed Apr 2013 #59

actually that is not true. That is an old six degree conspiracy theory long debunked. graham4anything Apr 2013 #69

factcheck.org betterdemsonly Apr 2013 #73

And Elizabeth Warren voted for Bush and Reagan and was a republican til recently graham4anything Apr 2013 #76

McGovern and McCarthy inspired many New Democrats so you may be betterdemsonly Apr 2013 #81

OK. But if Warren endorses Hillary, you will vote for Hillary? Nye Bevan Apr 2013 #120

No. Arctic Dave Apr 2013 #139

i doubt you actually vote for any Democrats, frankly... dionysus Apr 2013 #181

Frankly, I doubt you vote for any Democrats either. bvar22 Apr 2013 #191

LOL. You don't know jack. Arctic Dave Apr 2013 #210

I hate to see a good discussion polluted by meaningless swipes like that. Lasher Apr 2013 #264

I'd like to see who they are choosing for Jury pools bahrbearian Apr 2013 #270

We are all in the jury pool, but it is weighted. Lasher Apr 2013 #280

Gore won. pangaia Apr 2013 #60

If he won why did he cave? Arctic Dave Apr 2013 #87

He fought it all the way to the Supreme... YvonneCa Apr 2013 #147

Where was his team when this was happeneing? Arctic Dave Apr 2013 #150

In court. Following the Rule of Law... YvonneCa Apr 2013 #185

Well then. He lost fair and square didn't he. Arctic Dave Apr 2013 #221

He could have called for them to be arrested, for one. HughBeaumont Apr 2013 #263

you're a bitter, bitter man, and i laugh. dionysus Apr 2013 #61

Bitter? Tears? Arctic Dave Apr 2013 #89

keep going.. you help make my cup runneth over... dionysus Apr 2013 #179

And what a sparkling soul that must be. Union Scribe Apr 2013 #222

Woops! theKed Apr 2013 #67

not me fadedrose Apr 2013 #152

I, for one, do not fear that "army". Plucketeer Apr 2013 #339

And... fadedrose Apr 2013 #340

That's what primaries are for Life Long Dem Apr 2013 #10

Yeah, Joe should run, to flank for her and take the VP or SOS and block all others out graham4anything Apr 2013 #34

Then find one you like, volunteer and get out the vote for them. What's stopping you? TeamPooka Apr 2013 #11

Then we nominate someone else. LWolf Apr 2013 #13

A leser evil can get my vote, but not my time energy or money. n/t Tom Rinaldo Apr 2013 #21

I'm not running, and I am not evil! nt stevenleser Apr 2013 #30

... babylonsister Apr 2013 #142

I also backed into BO to avoid HRC in 2004 PufPuf23 Apr 2013 #25

His first appointments were all from the Clinton administration betterdemsonly Apr 2013 #47

Arne Duncan was not from the Clinton administration. LWolf Apr 2013 #196

Holder served as BC's Deputy AG under Janet Reno. AtomicKitten Apr 2013 #219

That's not from LWolf Apr 2013 #233

Doesn't matter who is President if Republicans hold Congress treestar Apr 2013 #14

Good point Andy823 Apr 2013 #19

If the Republicans can CONTROL the agenda with only 40 votes in the Senate, bvar22 Apr 2013 #23

Because we are, and have been for a good long while, the party that wants to Volaris Apr 2013 #64

Money, not standards quakerboy Apr 2013 #149

Agreed. Volaris Apr 2013 #169

Lol, it's almost funny how we are told how they 'won't let anything pass' sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #88

Oh dear, you've revealed their crappy argument. Union Scribe Apr 2013 #223

I'm going to take a guess here. The Democrats are fine with Autumn Apr 2013 #99

Makes sense..based on past performance with much of the Democrats KoKo Apr 2013 #128

The people in charge will decide who we get to chose from Autumn Apr 2013 #16

Fight her fair and square for the nomination then Tom Rinaldo Apr 2013 #20

I am not enthusiastic about Hillary. mick063 Apr 2013 #24

+100 nt antigop Apr 2013 #29

"Village Speak" Fantastic Anarchist Apr 2013 #92

Both Obama and Hillary have supported "free trade", and both of them have supported H-1B outsourcing cascadiance Apr 2013 #279

I want the person who will replace Scalia, Thomas and Kennedy!! lobodons Apr 2013 #26

A non sellout dem will replace them too betterdemsonly Apr 2013 #35

Don't vote for her. TygrBright Apr 2013 #27

Agreed. No dynasties please LittleBlue Apr 2013 #28

I am sad to think you didn't like Jerry Brown, Bobby Kennedy,Teddy, JFK, Al Gore, FDR & JQ Adams graham4anything Apr 2013 #37

Here, have a tissue LittleBlue Apr 2013 #66

no "No Dynasties" either demwing Apr 2013 #75

I'll decide when that dream candidate comes along LittleBlue Apr 2013 #86

Perfect, then we agree demwing Apr 2013 #93

We don't, actually LittleBlue Apr 2013 #97

No misunderstanding, you're just changing your response demwing Apr 2013 #108

I'm not, really LittleBlue Apr 2013 #114

Look, its a forum demwing Apr 2013 #126

Who said I don't wish to be responded to? LittleBlue Apr 2013 #140

"And I feel that supporting a person who became prominent because of their name is anti-democratic" demwing Apr 2013 #162

Isn't is just as absurd to deny a candidate based solely on bloodlines... LanternWaste Apr 2013 #329

We need to work on nominating better Democrats. pa28 Apr 2013 #39

Bennyboy....just a reminder....NO ONE HAS ANNOUNCED, but the "inevitability" meme is alive and well. antigop Apr 2013 #40

If she is up for the pounding libodem Apr 2013 #42

The other Clinton wore out my nose holding abilities. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2013 #44

you must realize that it would be a matter of actual votes cast bigtree Apr 2013 #49

Well, the other Clinton can't run. He's constitutionally proscribed. MADem Apr 2013 #50

It's not our choice. It's up to the .001% to decide such things. nt valerief Apr 2013 #52

+ 99.999-percent Octafish Apr 2013 #83

Why are we wasting time talking about an election that is four years away? Initech Apr 2013 #53

The Neoliberals want to start early betterdemsonly Apr 2013 #58

What we need to do is start focusing on firing the Tea Party. Initech Apr 2013 #84

They would not have gotten a toe hold betterdemsonly Apr 2013 #85

Barack Obama announced he was running on February 10, 2007. Nye Bevan Apr 2013 #133

That's almost two full years from now. We've got a midterm election to deal with first. n/t winter is coming Apr 2013 #262

Then vote for someone else. nt Deep13 Apr 2013 #55

At DU One Has The Impression Already That It Is Hillary Or The Highway cantbeserious Apr 2013 #62

She is not the nominee yet betterdemsonly Apr 2013 #68

Really? I get the impression it will be another great, even, split demwing Apr 2013 #77

It does seem that way .... Myrina Apr 2013 #249

Time to end the Clinton / Bush dynasties! penndragon69 Apr 2013 #63

Anyone on that list but betterdemsonly Apr 2013 #70

What Clinton Dynasty are you referring to, exactly? Hekate Apr 2013 #98

None of those people have a shot in a general election. Beacool Apr 2013 #200

There has to be John2 Apr 2013 #71

Oh yeah, and he's sooooooo progressive. Beacool Apr 2013 #203

Hillary won't change anything davidn3600 Apr 2013 #74

What Hillary will change is profound demwing Apr 2013 #91

Lots of countries have had a female head of state...not much chages davidn3600 Apr 2013 #141

The doors Obama opened won't fully be counted demwing Apr 2013 #156

Margaret Thatcher n/t n2doc Apr 2013 #209

let me propose this DonCoquixote Apr 2013 #94

That's one way of seeing it demwing Apr 2013 #157

nice thought DonCoquixote Apr 2013 #178

Elizabeth Warren 2016 NYC_SKP Apr 2013 #78

Yep, Obama being corporatist might hurt other decent candidates of color getting to be president... cascadiance Apr 2013 #272

I'd like a foreign policy like Jimmy Carter's based on Human Rights first. Octafish Apr 2013 #80

Any democrat is fine dangin Apr 2013 #82

We have to start looking/vetting Now fredamae Apr 2013 #90

Pray tell, who is this ideal candidate that you speak of? Beacool Apr 2013 #95

For fucks sake get off 4 years from now and focus on electing democrats to LOCAL positions Drew Richards Apr 2013 #96

100% Correct fredamae Apr 2013 #110

You have to be able to name a progressive who would have a good chance of winning. Honeycombe8 Apr 2013 #100

Hear, hear!!! Beacool Apr 2013 #202

LOL! Thanks for that laugh! Too funny! nt antigop Apr 2013 #345

I don't support her for those reasons and more. Apophis Apr 2013 #101

who- I can see Hillary & a Eliz Warren or Howard Dean :-) mettamega Apr 2013 #102

then vote for someone else BainsBane Apr 2013 #104

The Clintons are passe. BlueStater Apr 2013 #107

I was just told over in the HoF that Doctor_J Apr 2013 #111

Really? DURHAM D Apr 2013 #204

Here Doctor_J Apr 2013 #205

Oh, you mean this one where you insulted the LGBT community. DURHAM D Apr 2013 #206

You're taking that half sentence out of context. HOWEVER, since we're doing this... Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #212

I provided the link. DURHAM D Apr 2013 #215

I provided the link, too. So as someone who -somehow- managed to read and "understand" the comments Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #216

And apparently, only CRAZY PEOPLE think pot should be legal! Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #211

hillary is to old... madrchsod Apr 2013 #113

K&R. JDPriestly Apr 2013 #116

Vote for somebody else in the primaries? The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2013 #121

Clinton>Obama>Hilary = more of the same. ~nt 99th_Monkey Apr 2013 #123

Well, there's that Sarah Palin girl . . . ConcernedCanuk Apr 2013 #125

I'm with the recruit Hillary 2016 group. William769 Apr 2013 #127

Did you forget to proper-case 'The One'? randome Apr 2013 #238

My suggestion would be, support someone else in the primaries who is more to your liking. Nye Bevan Apr 2013 #131

no way.... mike_c Apr 2013 #135

I live deep in Orange County that the Republican Brotherhood runs SleeplessinSoCal Apr 2013 #138

Funny you should mention that demwing Apr 2013 #158

Neither party resembles what they were 50 years ago, 100 years ago or 20 years ago. SleeplessinSoCal Apr 2013 #188

I really feel for anyone who is not a RW fanatic and truedelphi Apr 2013 #190

It's hard, but as I say Republican women - in poltics locally - are fighting the "brotherhood". SleeplessinSoCal Apr 2013 #207

trying for diversion while watching "Spellbound" on TCM . . . SleeplessinSoCal Apr 2013 #218

I'm sorry..... DeSwiss Apr 2013 #143

Did the "owners of the country" reject Hillary in favor of Obama in 2008? (nt) Nye Bevan Apr 2013 #155

I would think it should be apparent..... DeSwiss Apr 2013 #160

Back in 2008 at the very first Democratic Presidential Candidate debate.... Junkdrawer Apr 2013 #234

+1 woo me with science Apr 2013 #201

"What if we don't want Hillary Clinton" amuse bouche Apr 2013 #145

We? WilliamPitt Apr 2013 #148

I agree, Hilary is too much like having leftovers while watching a re-run. Nika Apr 2013 #161

I love Hillary. You can bet your sweet patootie I'll be working my ass off for her. Little Star Apr 2013 #164

we can't have a progressive candidate when there is no progressive movement that extends beyond the Douglas Carpenter Apr 2013 #168

The Pundits said the same thing in 2007. bvar22 Apr 2013 #193

I still think that Edwards was left in to the last minute to siphon real progressive votes away ... cascadiance Apr 2013 #274

I want someone who gives a shit about the environment. glinda Apr 2013 #173

Have you seen Hillary's poll numbers? moondust Apr 2013 #174

Polling conspiracies aside, your last sentence nails it in terms of who would run against her? stevenleser Apr 2013 #243

No doubt she has changed. moondust Apr 2013 #348

problem is agent46 Apr 2013 #180

money in politics is the problem that leads to all other problems liberal_at_heart Apr 2013 #183

This is what primaries are for. As for me Hillary 100%! n/t hrmjustin Apr 2013 #184

Sheldon Whitehouse. Iwillnevergiveup Apr 2013 #186

I don't even know him and I'd probably vote for him over Clinton! randome Apr 2013 #237

Then get ready for Pres. Ted Cruz or Pres. Rand Paul.............. TheDebbieDee Apr 2013 #189

Maybe they will cut social security by giving us chained cpi betterdemsonly Apr 2013 #195

You are shit out of luck, because she is going to run and win!! Pisces Apr 2013 #213

Then work for someone else in the primaries. Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #214

It's not really up to us. MrSlayer Apr 2013 #217

Whether you like her or not. jambo101 Apr 2013 #227

Julian Castro versus Marco Rubio would be a sight to see. randome Apr 2013 #236

No more Clinton - Bush - Clinton - Bush blkmusclmachine Apr 2013 #229

Who is "we"? Uben Apr 2013 #231

Not wanting another Clinton RedstDem Apr 2013 #239

Who do you suggest? Prophet 451 Apr 2013 #240

Hillary was my first choice in 2008 and will be again in 2016! NYC Liberal Apr 2013 #242

Then work against her in the primary. NCTraveler Apr 2013 #245

I'll support her if she's nominated, but if she hires Bob Shrum again we lose. Indepatriot Apr 2013 #246

She did not hire Bob Shrum karynnj Apr 2013 #265

She hired Mark Penn, not Shrum. AtomicKitten Apr 2013 #294

My primary criteria is someone who can beat the Repubican candidate. gateley Apr 2013 #251

I couldn't agree more. ELIZABETH WARREN FOR PRESIDENT 2016! Welibs Apr 2013 #254

I think we already saw this in 2008 Mnpaul Apr 2013 #256

Why the Hillary Push? gussmith Apr 2013 #257

Hillary will make an awesome President samsingh Apr 2013 #258

Vote Against Her erpowers Apr 2013 #259

She won't see my support in the primary Life Long Dem Apr 2013 #261

I am no fan of Hillary. randome Apr 2013 #267

Yeah right Life Long Dem Apr 2013 #268

Maybe he was pissing on someone in the back row. randome Apr 2013 #271

Yeah... robotic like Life Long Dem Apr 2013 #273

Warren 2016. n/t Fearless Apr 2013 #269

How about a little realism? gcomeau Apr 2013 #283

I was being realistic. Fearless Apr 2013 #284

You really weren't. gcomeau Apr 2013 #285

I understand your point of view but seriously... Fearless Apr 2013 #286

Afraid of? gcomeau Apr 2013 #292

Your concern is noted. Fearless Apr 2013 #293

Enjoy your daydreams. -nt gcomeau Apr 2013 #296

Do you speak to people in person the same way you speak to them online? Fearless Apr 2013 #301

Yep. -nt gcomeau Apr 2013 #303

Who would you have run? Fearless Apr 2013 #308

In '16? gcomeau Apr 2013 #316

We had an alternative in 2008 and we chose 'not her'. randome Apr 2013 #318

Umm, where were you? gcomeau Apr 2013 #322

That plays into my point, too. randome Apr 2013 #323

No argument Hillary does "not do as well"... gcomeau Apr 2013 #327

We simply can't afford another centrist. Fearless Apr 2013 #346

If you can think of one... gcomeau Apr 2013 #347

This is why we have the primary process Fearless Apr 2013 #350

Yes, we will see. gcomeau Apr 2013 #354

I'm with you. Marr Apr 2013 #307

The Same gussmith Apr 2013 #315

Not nearly the same gcomeau Apr 2013 #320

Except people said the EXACT SAME STUFF about Obama. Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #349

As addressed elsewhere... gcomeau Apr 2013 #353

Oh, believe me, I'm paying attention. Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #356

I was in the Obama camp in '08 FYI gcomeau Apr 2013 #357

And I wasn't, not during the primaries. Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #358

You're free to support whoever you want Renew Deal Apr 2013 #276

I would sure like some options Larrylarry Apr 2013 #281

Then think of someone else *who could possibly win* in '16 gcomeau Apr 2013 #282

Who cares what you think? KamaAina Apr 2013 #291

Agree completely, Benny Carolina Apr 2013 #297

If? AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #309

The DNC really is that stupid. MarcoS Apr 2013 #311

Then simply cast your vote as appropriate... LanternWaste Apr 2013 #312

I want Hillary as President The Second Stone Apr 2013 #313

Wow, great responses...where to begin? creativebliss Apr 2013 #321

Then you are more than welcome to vote for someone else in the primaries. Bake Apr 2013 #324

That is what Primaries are for liberal N proud Apr 2013 #326

Then you get President Rand Paul ZRT2209 Apr 2013 #330

I'd like a female President. Billy Pilgrim Apr 2013 #332

What is Hillary Clinton running for in 2014? tavalon Apr 2013 #333

Helping someone get elected in 2014 who will help her in 2016? fadedrose Apr 2013 #341

Two words: Bernie Sanders. nt silvershadow Apr 2013 #335

In three year all these "acceptable" candidates will likely have failed.... Walk away Apr 2013 #351