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2. What is wealthy? If there is no amount the the statement is

Reply to madamesilverspurs (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2013, 05:03 PM

Apr 2013

meaningless. Also you need to live before you reach 85. If the payment was right there would be no need to raise it at 85. Just use the real CPI instead of these smoke and mirrors.
There is no need to screw with Social Security. It does not add to the debt, it does not add to the deficit it is not in danger of going bankrupt. If anything needs to be done, raise the limit and put the money in a lock box.
This OP is BS
On edit: why are you investing in this propaganda? I am getting social security now. The amount I get currently will increase with the CPI as now calculated. Anything else will reduce what I get. Also my wife will be working when I am fully retired because she is 17 years younger than me. We most likely will be the "wealthy" because of her income. There is nothing here to improve my life just a wolf in sheep's clothing.
Again there is no need for any of this so the very idea is a lie and you should know better than to tell us "lefties" what we should think about it!
The only thing this is, is a cave to conservative ideology.

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For the Ideologue Left, Social Security Concern Trolling is a Racket [View all] madamesilverspurs Apr 2013 OP

I agree Andy823 Apr 2013 #1

Right. Thanks. elleng Apr 2013 #4

The President got the message... So damage control is now in operation... newthinking Apr 2013 #154

Are you part of a tag team? Talk about Racket! upaloopa Apr 2013 #14

Ditto! Zoeisright Apr 2013 #27

You mean ditto head? upaloopa Apr 2013 #39

backatcha. Cha Apr 2013 #110

Nope, are you? Andy823 Apr 2013 #54

Look there is nothing to be done! upaloopa Apr 2013 #65

You have nothing so start sputtering about "tag teams". FAIL. n-m Cha Apr 2013 #107

I must be one of them hollysmom Apr 2013 #19

Only a democrat would go after SSI? Andy823 Apr 2013 #48

only a democrat could get away with it. hollysmom Apr 2013 #64

What is wealthy? If there is no amount the the statement is upaloopa Apr 2013 #2

Yep! Vinnie From Indy Apr 2013 #5

I agree! We need a second political party, too. Eleanors38 Apr 2013 #133

You're right. PinkFloyd Apr 2013 #135

It will be tougher to reach that 85 mark lame54 Apr 2013 #3

isn't that the point? Skittles Apr 2013 #115

It's sad that some democrats don't understand why the chained CPI is so bad. cali Apr 2013 #6

You're right. AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #47

Oh, they'd understand all right if BUSH had proposed it. MotherPetrie Apr 2013 #57

It's like booing the umpire if he makes a bad call in favor of the other team Art_from_Ark Apr 2013 #152

the Groupies would be howling like BANSHEES if repukes had proposed it Skittles Apr 2013 #116

Right You Are Cali! cantbeserious Apr 2013 #123

The article is as much a crock of shit as the title is. forestpath Apr 2013 #7

Not nearly as big a racket as spin-control centrism. marmar Apr 2013 #8

This crap blog *humbly* accepts all major credit cards and Paypal. WorseBeforeBetter Apr 2013 #61

You can say that again. Marr Apr 2013 #92

When I first ran into that the other day I couldn't believe it. PinkFloyd Apr 2013 #136

"Ideologue Left" Is that a bad thing now at DU? Fumesucker Apr 2013 #9

It's a way to derail legitimate criticism... uriel1972 Apr 2013 #72

I recall it always being a bad thing, but the percentage of people here who believe it just keeps GreenPartyVoter Apr 2013 #128

you can only cut providers so much dsc Apr 2013 #10

If SSI had something to do with the deficit or debt, I'd agree. But it doesn't. neverforget Apr 2013 #11

That ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ L0oniX Apr 2013 #23

You will be ignored by the RAH RAH crowd. Rex Apr 2013 #32

Amazing that their principles are compromised so easily. neverforget Apr 2013 #60

Or the fact that such obvious truth is ignored as they Rex Apr 2013 #62

I didn't think centrists could get any lower. xchrom Apr 2013 #12

i did. and i am never disappointed. KG Apr 2013 #16

I did, and I wish we had of the Idealogue Left in Congress btw. sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #29

Absolutely... the Article Title was so Absurd I Didn't even go there KoKo Apr 2013 #33

Once I realized who they are I was not at all surprised by the tone of the article. They are a sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #37

Thanks...didn't know KoKo Apr 2013 #56

Centrists? Doctor_J Apr 2013 #45

Remember it's not a description, it's a PR term, a self-imposed brand name JHB Apr 2013 #125

What's a "Centrist"? It must mean someone who doesn't want to be a traditional FDR Democrat. AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #49

how are they centrists? Skittles Apr 2013 #151

Oh boy alcibiades_mystery Apr 2013 #13

Look out! The knee-jerking will be intense on this one! nt. OldDem2012 Apr 2013 #15

Jesus, not another idiotic Circle D blog. LOL WorseBeforeBetter Apr 2013 #17

Caught that one, too alcibiades_mystery Apr 2013 #36

Bwah Recursion Apr 2013 #118

That does seem to be the trend, doesn't it alcibiades_mystery Apr 2013 #134

k, so, Universal Pre-K vs. No Chained CPI - which would you give up in order to get the other? nt patrice Apr 2013 #104

NEITHER. And you wouldn't need to ask me that question if... WorseBeforeBetter Apr 2013 #143

He CAN'T go to the mat, when significant demographics are CONSTANTLY abandoning patrice Apr 2013 #144

"significant demographics are CONSTANTLY abandoning him" WorseBeforeBetter Apr 2013 #145

all those demographics that never really loved him!!111 bobduca Apr 2013 #147

Crap Blog Code for "whiny libruls who sat out 2010." WorseBeforeBetter Apr 2013 #148

That dynamic is easily cribbed bobduca Apr 2013 #150

I'm not familiar with " thepeoplesview .net " olddots Apr 2013 #18

You *ain't* missing much. And if you're searching for enlightenment... WorseBeforeBetter Apr 2013 #20

I just took a trip over there....... marmar Apr 2013 #21

Certainly the Title of the Article was a "Tip Off!" N/T KoKo Apr 2013 #31

I am. It was started by bunch of nasty disrupters who were mostly banned from Liberal sites, for sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #38

Spandan Chakrabarti - LinkedIn WorseBeforeBetter Apr 2013 #75

That's a good question, 'from where is it originating. They sure stand out on other boards, mostly sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #79

Deaniac83 is Spandan. WorseBeforeBetter Apr 2013 #82

So there are even fewer of them than I thought. Lol, I thought they were two different people with sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #84

Meant to add that the little circle of malcontents on that blog consists of not only those banned sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #85

Yeah, I popped on over to Balloon Juice tonight, too... WorseBeforeBetter Apr 2013 #86

Notice how we're entering the Rationalization phase? Marr Apr 2013 #22

That's it, Marr, in a nutshell. nt Mnemosyne Apr 2013 #68

Quite Predictable Isn't It cantbeserious Apr 2013 #124

aaah, another anonymous "blog" source with familiar writing style and word usage! boilerbabe Apr 2013 #24

long time, no see. KG Apr 2013 #26

A conspiracy? alcibiades_mystery Apr 2013 #35

Just as credible as sites like Alternet or Commondreams that's cited here ad nauseam. nt Comrade_McKenzie Apr 2013 #53

+1 patrice Apr 2013 #103

And this is outrage # 56,786 treestar Apr 2013 #25

Progressive Democrats being attacked on a democratic forum Arcanetrance Apr 2013 #28

Not all "Democrats" claim to be "progressive". Have you the same empathy for others when.... Tarheel_Dem Apr 2013 #42

I am a firm believer in respect for other members and the need for respect between members even when Arcanetrance Apr 2013 #43

The Democratic Party includes "progressives", but if they less than a quarter of the country, Tarheel_Dem Apr 2013 #52

Yep. The 3rd Wayers have actually turned into Limbeciles Doctor_J Apr 2013 #44

Democratic President being attacked on a Democratic forum. Comrade_McKenzie Apr 2013 #51

I personally have yet to attack him Arcanetrance Apr 2013 #58

His policies are being attacked not him, at least by me. neverforget Apr 2013 #63

So you believe everyone around here is precisely what they claim to be - AND - that they share the patrice Apr 2013 #106

First I don't appreciate your disrespectful tone Arcanetrance Apr 2013 #119

I see someone is concern trolling. Rex Apr 2013 #30

Ah, that is Deaniac's blog. A bunch of disgruntled, mostly banned from liberal sites, Third Wayers sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #34

I noticed that last night... was it Deaniac83 or something? WorseBeforeBetter Apr 2013 #40

Do they also talk about "wanting a pony" and crap like that? Art_from_Ark Apr 2013 #88

Yes, they do. They were celebrating eg, the 'coining of the word poutrage' attributed to a member sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #89

Forgive me for doubting that the left is the big beneficiary of eroding the social safety net. JVS Apr 2013 #41

Forgive me for doubting that what calls itself "the Left" IS the Left; ask them what OTHER issue patrice Apr 2013 #108

Why should we have to throw anybody under the bus? dawg Apr 2013 #126

REC!!!! You can be sure that "the movement" is always gonna be in a completely different place..... Tarheel_Dem Apr 2013 #46

Excellent article. The fringe of our party are a group of low-information reactonaries... Comrade_McKenzie Apr 2013 #50

I agree, the right-wing fringe of the Democratic Party Union Scribe Apr 2013 #59

excellent noiretextatique Apr 2013 #66

+1 octoberlib Apr 2013 #70

+1 Marr Apr 2013 #94

That gang on that blog are the fringe of our party. They eventually got kicked off every democratic sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #80

Bull-fucking-shit MotherPetrie Apr 2013 #55

The chocolate ration has been increased! woo me with science Apr 2013 #67

You are brave, BRAVE woman for posting this at the height of the froth and hysteria Number23 Apr 2013 #69

Posting a blue link and a couple of paragraphs is brave? LOL WorseBeforeBetter Apr 2013 #73

Yes, you're right. A green link would have been the epitome of courage. Number23 Apr 2013 #76

Her "bravery" was required elsewhere. Marr Apr 2013 #95

!! Union Scribe Apr 2013 #97

Trollling Centrist Blog posts trolling article about trolling bobduca Apr 2013 #71

projection abounds in that crowd, re "ideological" and "out of touch with reality" carolinayellowdog Apr 2013 #129

"Boost benefits at age 85"?! Why not just round it up to 90, FGS?! WinkyDink Apr 2013 #74

Then to whom does the chained cpi apply to? nt ZombieHorde Apr 2013 #77

"The republican right and the whiny left" Scootaloo Apr 2013 #78

The blog is populated by well known trolls on liberal blogs. They have been around sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #81

It's a blog post from a blogger, so why should I believe it? duffyduff Apr 2013 #83

Robert Reich, concern troll. Starry Messenger Apr 2013 #87

Earlg, concern troll. boilerbabe Apr 2013 #90

AARP, concern troll. WorseBeforeBetter Apr 2013 #96

Bernie Sanders, concern troll. WorseBeforeBetter Apr 2013 #98

Why would you post this hateful, poisonous, divisive right-wing garbage here? cthulu2016 Apr 2013 #91

because they are desperately trying to defend the indefensible Skittles Apr 2013 #114

My question, too. nt LWolf Apr 2013 #137

To sew hatred, to poison discourse and to drive a wedge between "centrist" and "liberals" bobduca Apr 2013 #142

Wow what a shit blog whatchamacallit Apr 2013 #93

I'm all for raising the Social Security benefits, but for everyone. JDPriestly Apr 2013 #99

That seems opposite of what people are saying this will do. dkf Apr 2013 #105

It took me a while to understand it and figure out how it has to work. JDPriestly Apr 2013 #109

I don't understand why it upsets you so much. If you're right & there's nothing to worry about, HiPointDem Apr 2013 #100

Yay! Embrace the Cat Food! Father Knows Best! Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2013 #101

"the President is focusing on savings from providers and drug companies" I KEEP SAYING THAT!!!!!!!11 Hekate Apr 2013 #102

Now you've done it, madamesilverspurs! thanks for your link.. Cha Apr 2013 #111

Ask them what OTHER issue group they are willing to throw under the bus, madamesilverspurs, in order patrice Apr 2013 #112

I'll believe the "Ideologue Left" ANY DAY over the groupies Skittles Apr 2013 #113

"Ideologue Left". I remember when they used to call us Reds, Commies, Pinkos or Hippies. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2013 #117

Please stop insulting our intelligence. Census Bureau "poverty" has FUCKALL to do with real poverty eridani Apr 2013 #120

Utter drivel... sendero Apr 2013 #121

AARP disagrees with this and says it targets the poorest and those who live the longest get less... midnight Apr 2013 #122

ONCE AGAIN - SOCIAL SECURITY IS NOT AN ENTITLEMENT! liberal N proud Apr 2013 #127

Social Security is an entitlement, and entitlements are not bad. dawg Apr 2013 #131

Actually SNAP is an entitlement Recursion Apr 2013 #139

The original article lost me at the first sentence Armstead Apr 2013 #130

SS benefits are now taxable on 80% of SS if one has income > ~$45000/yr Kolesar Apr 2013 #132

The practical difference between "taxing", "cutting", and "means testing" is nil Recursion Apr 2013 #138

^not very clear ... eom Kolesar Apr 2013 #141

More Turd Way senseless drivel TheKentuckian Apr 2013 #140

That's a lot of empty name-calling in one piece. Trolls, Ideologues, "racket?" DirkGently Apr 2013 #146

Not that I have doubts about science but..."boost benefits at age 85". Really? Safetykitten Apr 2013 #149

Interesting grantcart Apr 2013 #153