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Tom Rinaldo

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44. Do you think this OP boils down to "tearing Obama down every chance I get"?

Tue Apr 9, 2013, 06:50 AM

Apr 2013

To the extent that your post is personal (and I realize it may not be - we all use our posts to make larger points) here is my own statement regarding that concern:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022508527

But I specifically beg to differ with you here in one important specific regard. We are not merely talking about another mundane opportunity to be critical of Obama right now. First of all, we are debating a crucial policy that he has now endorsed. The debate at its heart is about a policy change - the Chained CPI, not about the man who is suggesting it. And that policy change just so happens to touch on the heart and soul of the Democratic Party legacy over the last 75 years. If we don't debate this one, what is the point of having a Democratic discussion board? And if the President happens to be the leading Democrat who is supporting that change in policy, it is hard to totally separate out opposition to that policy change from criticism of the man who is proposing it.

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There you have it... haikugal Apr 2013 #1

Maybe he got the wrong lesson. limpyhobbler Apr 2013 #2

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I will agree to disagree with you on this one, respectfully Tom Rinaldo Apr 2013 #58

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But the Republicans suffer their own fractures. They are fracturing right now. AtheistCrusader Apr 2013 #90

If Mary Landrieu were running in 2016, it would be easy for her. 2014 it will be very hard. graham4anything Apr 2013 #91

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Getting rid of the 4 Draconian governors is reward enough, don't you think? graham4anything Apr 2013 #102

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With that attitude Jakes Progress Apr 2013 #103

President Obama forever. The other stuff is just soundbytes. graham4anything Apr 2013 #110

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THoise who don't learn from history are condemned to repeat it Armstead Apr 2013 #3

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You just need to inform yourself ... slipslidingaway Apr 2013 #10

one guy got upset because I used CAPS!!!! Skittles Apr 2013 #18

I see that other thread got locked for whining .... slipslidingaway Apr 2013 #25

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Bury that false meme. Fuddnik Apr 2013 #14

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Partly, but it was disenchanted progressives to a larger extent. n/t AverageJoe90 Apr 2013 #80

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another + a million from me suffragette Apr 2013 #59

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I certainly hope so. n/t AverageJoe90 Apr 2013 #116

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Personally, I always thought cutting SS was a bad idea. AverageJoe90 Apr 2013 #99

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100% fake meme graham4anything Apr 2013 #50

Wrong, the turnout was not much different from any other "off years." joshcryer Apr 2013 #112

Amazing! Three and a half (almost) months after second term begins juajen Apr 2013 #34

Do you think this OP boils down to "tearing Obama down every chance I get"? Tom Rinaldo Apr 2013 #44

Hillary as 45 instead of 44 makes Hillary able to achieve more of what was started graham4anything Apr 2013 #49

When you are lecturing us that "The mid term elections ... are a chance for you to make the house AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #35

People that didn't show up to vote in 2010 are getting what they deserve. Comrade_McKenzie Apr 2013 #16

still on the pony meme? Skittles Apr 2013 #19

I voted. tblue Apr 2013 #24

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I was hoping you didn't mean the evil shit you said over the weekend Union Scribe Apr 2013 #32

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Yeah, it's history repeating itself, already.... ReRe Apr 2013 #20

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The 1% just doesn't want to keep their end of the deal. octoberlib Apr 2013 #39

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Triangulators and true believers have learned nothing. 99Forever Apr 2013 #29

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The administration obviously wanted to lose the majority BrotherIvan Apr 2013 #63

++++++++++ Flying Squirrel Apr 2013 #64

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See post 78 BrotherIvan Apr 2013 #93

May I ask what your point is? n/t AverageJoe90 Apr 2013 #98

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Lieberman made him do it! BrotherIvan Apr 2013 #66

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K&R pam4water Apr 2013 #73

HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Apr 2013 #74

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