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Dreamer Tatum

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64. You missed the point.

Tue Apr 9, 2013, 11:06 AM

Apr 2013

In your zeal to reveal how awesome you are at growing weed, you missed the simple point that
UNLESS Master Horticulturists like you are allowed to ply your trade and supply weed to people almost
free, there will ALWAYS be a black market, and therefore competition to SUPPLY the black market,
and the violence down south will continue.

The black market will also thrive once the state taxes legal weed LIKE EVERYONE AND THEIR SISTER
SWORE THEY'D SUPPORT.

It seems clear now that the argument for legal weed as a boon to tax revenues was bullshit - people
just want legal weed and they don't want to be taxed.

Even so, I maintain that I can grow quality weed MUCH faster, cheaper, and easier than you can come
close to my Elmer T. Lee. Or my Whistle Pig.

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Colorado considers huge legal weed tax [View all] DonViejo Apr 2013 OP

The people have spoken, the politicians don't like it, so they pull this kind of sh*t. marmar Apr 2013 #1

Wait, hang on. Dreamer Tatum Apr 2013 #3

The trick is to keep taxes low enough to put the black market out of business Warpy Apr 2013 #30

It almost doesn't matter how it's priced Dreamer Tatum Apr 2013 #33

Which is why we have such a huge issue with moonshine in this country? EOTE Apr 2013 #36

False comparison Dreamer Tatum Apr 2013 #40

Are you under the impression that weed is cheap and easy to grow? EOTE Apr 2013 #44

It would seem that Dreamer Tatum is not a cannabis grower or user and has little to no real-world cleanhippie Apr 2013 #52

People hear "weed" and that it grows like a weed so they think that it's simple. EOTE Apr 2013 #56

Outdoor growing does not make growing sinsemilla nearly impossible. Webster Green Apr 2013 #73

The problem isn't always your own pollen, but pollen from other sources. EOTE Apr 2013 #75

Agreed. Webster Green Apr 2013 #81

Excellent! But you demonstrate why not everyone can/will do that. cleanhippie Apr 2013 #80

"Acquire seeds and grow them in or outdoors. " cleanhippie Apr 2013 #50

Oh brother Dreamer Tatum Apr 2013 #51

Thank you for demonstrating that you really have no idea what it takes to grow cannabis. cleanhippie Apr 2013 #53

Yes, Mexican brick weed just grows. EOTE Apr 2013 #54

I bet my backyard weed would be in higher demand than your rotgut. Dreamer Tatum Apr 2013 #58

Bullshit. EOTE Apr 2013 #63

You missed the point. Dreamer Tatum Apr 2013 #64

Wow, YOU missed the point yet again. It's getting tiring pointing out how clueless you are. EOTE Apr 2013 #69

The black market will thrive forever unless weed is free. nt Dreamer Tatum Apr 2013 #76

Just like the booming booze and cigarette black market. EOTE Apr 2013 #93

Both of those are hard to make. Dreamer Tatum Apr 2013 #97

You know nothing of making any of them. EOTE Apr 2013 #98

Yeah...the people who import weed now have NO idea what they're doing Dreamer Tatum Apr 2013 #99

People are not going to be smoking ditch weed when the good stuff isn't much more. EOTE Apr 2013 #102

Whatever, dude Dreamer Tatum Apr 2013 #104

You've made a really convincing case, dude. EOTE Apr 2013 #111

ridiculous. robinlynne Apr 2013 #107

I'll bet your "backyard weed" that you just "put it in the ground and water" produces nothing. cleanhippie Apr 2013 #66

I bet not. Anyone can grow roses but it takes skills and talent to grow roses people want to buy.... TeamPooka Apr 2013 #100

We shouldn't overstate either the ease or the difficulty of growing good weed. Comrade Grumpy Apr 2013 #92

wow haydukelives Apr 2013 #108

Some of the above remarks are somewhat on the mark. Bohunk68 Apr 2013 #112

Correction Bohunk68 Apr 2013 #113

So what you're saying is that you throw some seeds in the ground and wait? EOTE Apr 2013 #117

So wrong. Nobody uses seeds for an indoor grow. Webster Green Apr 2013 #115

Why isn't that true for alcohol? tabasco Apr 2013 #83

Because alcohol is nearly impossible to make (even though it can be made in a jail cell). EOTE Apr 2013 #119

right. robinlynne Apr 2013 #106

I spoke, and I voted in favor, but I don't really have a problem with the high tax. denverbill Apr 2013 #5

MMJ in California costs about the same as what you would buy off the street.. frylock Apr 2013 #38

My preference would be that it is taxed at a level which makes street selling unprofitable. denverbill Apr 2013 #47

"But it should be at a high enough level to discourage use. " Why? cleanhippie Apr 2013 #55

Alcohol and even more-so tobacco are already taxed to discourage use. denverbill Apr 2013 #65

"Alcohol, in moderation, doesn't hurt anyone any more than pot, in moderation." Yes, it does. cleanhippie Apr 2013 #67

I was one of the people who voted to legalize it. I helped remove the threat of legal trouble. denverbill Apr 2013 #70

As was I. But I DO think we should encourage people to take mind-altering substances... cleanhippie Apr 2013 #71

no surprise. same with cigarettes & beer. obama's putting yet another tax on cigarettes to fund HiPointDem Apr 2013 #94

prostitute politicians doing what's needed to keep the illegal market booming despite legalization n msongs Apr 2013 #2

Should be the same as tobacco and alcohol taxes. bluedigger Apr 2013 #4

I disagree. Alcohol and tobacco do a huge amount of harm to the health and lives kestrel91316 Apr 2013 #8

+1,000 Scuba Apr 2013 #14

Seeing as how it's been illegal until now, I don't think you can make that assumption. randome Apr 2013 #15

There's been mass pot smoking in this country for nearly a half-century now. Comrade Grumpy Apr 2013 #16

Don't know. randome Apr 2013 #17

"Keeping it illegal means many fewer people are partaking." Comrade Grumpy Apr 2013 #21

Interesting points. randome Apr 2013 #23

Some of those studies were comparative, not just the Netherlands. Comrade Grumpy Apr 2013 #27

The CDC states that lung cancer has been significantly decreasing over the past decade. cleanhippie Apr 2013 #82

Vaporizing is just as fast as smoking Life Long Dem Apr 2013 #35

I smoke very little cannabis. Most of what I ingest is either kestrel91316 Apr 2013 #114

Gee, one might get the impression that one criminal enterprise Vinnie From Indy Apr 2013 #6

On the plus side, once the state is hooked on revenue they will never overturn the law. JVS Apr 2013 #7

Did people really think that pot would be tax exempt geek tragedy Apr 2013 #9

no, just not taxed to the point of usury. TeamPooka Apr 2013 #101

Wasn't "You can tax it" one of the pro arguments? alcibiades_mystery Apr 2013 #10

Until it was legalized, anyway. nt Dreamer Tatum Apr 2013 #11

For liberals, yes. For libertarians and pot lifestylists, notsomuch. nt geek tragedy Apr 2013 #13

I guess I do immediately discount anything a libertarian has to say alcibiades_mystery Apr 2013 #46

Absolutely. And it's a good one, provided the taxes aren't too onerous. Comrade Grumpy Apr 2013 #18

Yes, it was, and still is. But placing a tax on it that drives the price above that of the black cleanhippie Apr 2013 #57

I predict legalization will be such a kerfuffle that within 5 years, it will be illegal once more. randome Apr 2013 #12

I'll come to Denver and let you buy me a bud at the pot store in April 2018. Comrade Grumpy Apr 2013 #19

I'll put it on my calendar! randome Apr 2013 #24

And this is before the fed/state issue is resolved Life Long Dem Apr 2013 #37

Grow your own? madville Apr 2013 #20

Tax evasion is how newblewtoo Apr 2013 #39

Making beer and wine is easy madville Apr 2013 #42

No, its not. cleanhippie Apr 2013 #62

Without your qualifier it's not Major Nikon Apr 2013 #74

I disagree. cleanhippie Apr 2013 #77

Millions of teenagers manage to do it Major Nikon Apr 2013 #78

Manage to do what? Obtain it? For sure. Grow it? Unlikely. cleanhippie Apr 2013 #79

What makes you think they aren't? Major Nikon Apr 2013 #86

The lack of data to support that assertion and my experience as a teen. cleanhippie Apr 2013 #87

How long ago were you a teen? Major Nikon Apr 2013 #88

Longer than that, hahaha! But I do work with teens and Mrs. Cleanhippie is a teacher. cleanhippie Apr 2013 #89

Growing quality cannabis to achieve a useable yield is just not that simple. cleanhippie Apr 2013 #60

So much for states rights lame54 Apr 2013 #22

It is very possible that the 40% tax won't be as bank breaking as people assume Bjorn Against Apr 2013 #25

an oz still costs you about $400 at a dispensary in california frylock Apr 2013 #41

A dispensary operates under different rules than stores do Bjorn Against Apr 2013 #43

It's interesting to contrast this against the desires to further reduce corporate taxation. Trillo Apr 2013 #26

Now that is a good question Bjorn Against Apr 2013 #28

They are going to have to find the point RainDog Apr 2013 #29

Grow your own. Blue_In_AK Apr 2013 #31

Well, Newest Reality Apr 2013 #32

My pro-legalization argument has never been about revenue. Comrade_McKenzie Apr 2013 #34

Uh no. 15% is too much. Tender to the Bone Apr 2013 #45

just let us grow our own bigtree Apr 2013 #48

Wait until the corporations move in. randome Apr 2013 #59

In a way, that makes pot a valued commodity to the state bhikkhu Apr 2013 #49

HA HA HA CalFresh Apr 2013 #61

If it is legal, there is no reason to test for it to get a job. cleanhippie Apr 2013 #68

It's not legal CalFresh Apr 2013 #85

Many say medical marijuana is legal in California but talk to some of these green for victory Apr 2013 #91

indeed marcusc81 Apr 2013 #95

$2/lb needs a decent tax One_Life_To_Give Apr 2013 #72

Oh bullshit, MadHound Apr 2013 #84

May I assume that you have NOT actually grown any cannabis yourself? cleanhippie Apr 2013 #90

LOL! MadHound Apr 2013 #110

Fair enough. cleanhippie Apr 2013 #116

unfair? why? taxes are something like 90% of the cost of a pack of cigarettes, why should HiPointDem Apr 2013 #96

What a bunch of crap. So damn greedy. nt babylonsister Apr 2013 #103

Tobacco tax is well over 100%, and sales are doing fine. robinlynne Apr 2013 #105

If it is legal, I am 100% OK with this. n-t Logical Apr 2013 #109

What is the going price for marijuana/ fadedrose Apr 2013 #118