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In reply to the discussion: Where have societies' views of women come from? [View all]RainDog
(28,784 posts)97. Aquatic Ape Hypothesis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aquatic_ape_hypothesis
Morgan talked about this idea quite a bit.
If economic behavior is the defining issue - then it seems that feminists should place their efforts toward changing this. Otherwise, all the offshoots are just that and the root remains.
This is also my question about religious affiliation - how can females expect change if they're upholding one of the most potent aspects of repression - i.e. a patriarchal god. They must think it confers some benefit to them regardless of the harm.
And, of course, that also calls into question the issue of marriage itself.
Rather than language, these seem to be the real issues. Language is minor in comparison. It's nit picking and detracts from the bigger issues - and requires little to no actual investment of someone's life or her place in society - while the bigger issues do make some demands as in - what are you going to do and what do you sacrifice to do it. The physical act of upholding the status quo is a much bigger and louder statement than any word choice, imo.
Morgan talked about this idea quite a bit.
If economic behavior is the defining issue - then it seems that feminists should place their efforts toward changing this. Otherwise, all the offshoots are just that and the root remains.
This is also my question about religious affiliation - how can females expect change if they're upholding one of the most potent aspects of repression - i.e. a patriarchal god. They must think it confers some benefit to them regardless of the harm.
And, of course, that also calls into question the issue of marriage itself.
Rather than language, these seem to be the real issues. Language is minor in comparison. It's nit picking and detracts from the bigger issues - and requires little to no actual investment of someone's life or her place in society - while the bigger issues do make some demands as in - what are you going to do and what do you sacrifice to do it. The physical act of upholding the status quo is a much bigger and louder statement than any word choice, imo.
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the poster to whom you responded is one seriously dedicated feminist, and probably, as I am,
niyad
Apr 2013
#13
True, I suppose. But that was a new idea at the time. Very modern and a new way of thinking
Honeycombe8
Apr 2013
#11
No, I haven't done a scientific study. That was my opinion, based on things
Honeycombe8
Apr 2013
#12
^This. When survival depended on brute strength, a woman needed a man to survive more than a
Squinch
Apr 2013
#80
where does it come from? the abrahamic, patriarchal religions, to start (meaning, christianity,
niyad
Apr 2013
#15
I read it many years ago, thought I still had a copy somewhere, but I dont. Saw Riane in
niyad
Apr 2013
#37
will have to order that one, as well. thank you. that one I know is not on my shelves.
niyad
Apr 2013
#87
Good post. I would add that before war and settled communities came an ecological barrier that
byeya
Apr 2013
#56
Genetically, humans are slightly closer to common chimps than bonobos, I think. When a bonobo female
byeya
Apr 2013
#53
There are still matriarchal societies today. The Mosuo in China come to mind
riderinthestorm
Apr 2013
#35
The anthropologist Marvin Harris showed that the more militaristic a society was, the worse females
byeya
Apr 2013
#41
Thomas Jefferson who wrote "All MEN are created equal" and left out 76% of the country
graham4anything
Apr 2013
#51
You're asking for a single source, for one of human society's most complex constructs?
Scootaloo
Apr 2013
#78