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dmallind

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25. Sure - that's why we have all those Congresspeople advocating nationalization eh?

Tue Apr 9, 2013, 04:16 PM

Apr 2013

Socialism is not social security, not even close, no matter what Rush says. Socialism is:

socialism
Definition
so·cial·ism[ sṓshə lìzəm ]NOUN
1. political system of communal ownership: a political theory or system in which the means of production and distribution are controlled by the people and operated according to equity and fairness rather than market principles
2. movement based on socialism: a political movement based on principles of socialism, typically advocating an end to private property and to the exploitation of workers
3. stage between capitalism and communism: in Marxist theory, the stage after the proletarian revolution when a society is changing from capitalism to communism, marked by pay distributed according to work done rather than need

This will not win an election in the US, or the UK, any time soon. Communal control of the means of production is a pipedream unworkable in anything but a very small, very tightly knit group.

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If Thatcher was so "evil," how'd she get in? [View all] Archae Apr 2013 OP

Prime Ministers aren't elected. They are chosen by party members with the most seats. JaneyVee Apr 2013 #1

that was too easy JaneyVee warrior1 Apr 2013 #4

The Labour opposition was pathetic, with ridiculous policies. Nye Bevan Apr 2013 #2

this makes it clear that you oppose left wing policies CreekDog Apr 2013 #16

I oppose unilateral nuclear disarmament. Don't you? (nt) Nye Bevan Apr 2013 #22

stop moving the goal posts (but yes, I support nuclear disarmament of England) CreekDog Apr 2013 #24

What am I "running away from"? I'll say it again, unilateral nuclear disarmament was a stupid policy Nye Bevan Apr 2013 #30

you're running away from your criticism of left wing policies CreekDog Apr 2013 #31

OK. I will say for the record that I fully stand by, am not ashamed of, and am not running away from Nye Bevan Apr 2013 #37

What is the value of "left wing policies" that will never be implemented... brooklynite Apr 2013 #54

And, the poor Brits ended up with (ugh!) Tony Blair and 3rd Way/Tory policies. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2013 #19

Reagan's opponents weren't just weak, there was a LOT of anti-incumbent sentiment Blue_Tires Apr 2013 #3

Here's some good info about those times... JoeBlowToo Apr 2013 #51

Carter alienated the working base of the Party and refused to help the Party with fund raising and byeya Apr 2013 #52

Greed sells. Reagan did not win "because" of his opponents unblock Apr 2013 #5

No, there was a specific grievance in Reagan's case that went unaddressed by Democrats, Benton D Struckcheon Apr 2013 #9

i agree indexing brackets made sense, but that was hardly a major issue unblock Apr 2013 #46

I got my first job in Aug of 79, Benton D Struckcheon Apr 2013 #53

Reagan won because of the October Surprise. KittyWampus Apr 2013 #21

that was indeed a large factor. imagine if the hostage crisis had been resolved under carter. unblock Apr 2013 #47

I voted for Jimmy Carter Go Vols Apr 2013 #45

likewise, and agreed. unblock Apr 2013 #48

With one or two exceptions, people like her always seems fairly reasonable Aristus Apr 2013 #6

Also Reagan was a throwback marions ghost Apr 2013 #15

"...those unruly kids of the 60's-70's." KansDem Apr 2013 #32

Yeah marions ghost Apr 2013 #67

Political deals with her party and the other parties. Cleita Apr 2013 #7

And Obama didn't get it and re-elected "because" his opponents are far-right nutcases. Rather... GodlessBiker Apr 2013 #8

people are stupid bowens43 Apr 2013 #10

Same way we got Reagan. Bad Economy and FEARmongering CBGLuthier Apr 2013 #11

Some thoughts - I lived through almost all her tenure dmallind Apr 2013 #12

'third way can win while socialism can not'. lol. 'third way' = neoliberalism & the public hates HiPointDem Apr 2013 #14

Sure - that's why we have all those Congresspeople advocating nationalization eh? dmallind Apr 2013 #25

umm -- what party ever advocated for the people controlling the means of production? In HiPointDem Apr 2013 #27

interesting perspective-thanks for the post Johonny Apr 2013 #26

reagan got in because of psyops. so did thatcher. HiPointDem Apr 2013 #13

The elephant in the room. ananda Apr 2013 #17

Like Reagan, she appealed to middle class fears about the poor. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2013 #18

It's much more surprising when people who *aren't* ruthless attain power. Marr Apr 2013 #20

1) Prime Ministers aren't elected and 2) Harmful leaders take power all the time CreekDog Apr 2013 #23

People saw what they wanted to see in Reagan Yavin4 Apr 2013 #28

We could say the same thing about Bush Coyotl Apr 2013 #29

How'd Boner become Speaker of the House? sadbear Apr 2013 #33

Ask a question WilliamPitt Apr 2013 #34

Why don't you bring up GWB/Cheney? blogslut Apr 2013 #35

She got the leadership of the Tories dsc Apr 2013 #36

She was "evil" because saying so ad nauseum is good for one's DU cred. cherokeeprogressive Apr 2013 #38

allowing tenants to buy their "council houses". You CLEARLY have no IDEA of the effect: WinkyDink Apr 2013 #59

Wow! Thanks for the sermon! nt. OldDem2012 Apr 2013 #61

Allowing tenents to buy council houses? vanlassie Apr 2013 #63

From my reading of the last few days... BlueCheese Apr 2013 #39

You don't really grasp the U.K.'s parliamentary system, do you? n/t markpkessinger Apr 2013 #40

You don't directly elect prime ministers. That said, even she barely saw it coming at the time. (nt) Posteritatis Apr 2013 #41

What planet have you been on for the past 10,000 years or so TheKentuckian Apr 2013 #42

You have GOT to be kidding, right? n/t Jamastiene Apr 2013 #43

Thanks for asking this question.... LeftInTX Apr 2013 #44

The same way any of these psychopaths get in. backscatter712 Apr 2013 #49

A not insignificant reason was the existence of the Social Democratic Party Denzil_DC Apr 2013 #50

Pretty neat trick, considering it was formed two years after Thatcher was elected... brooklynite Apr 2013 #56

That's bogus. How many elections did the Tories win under Thatcher? Denzil_DC Apr 2013 #57

Still not seeing how this is SDP's fault brooklynite Apr 2013 #62

"There's always been a third party in the UK." Denzil_DC Apr 2013 #64

...and my wife was there as well (at Oxford). brooklynite Apr 2013 #65

I was there. If it tells you nothing, that's not my problem. Denzil_DC Apr 2013 #66

nixon won 2 terms...shit happens spanone Apr 2013 #55

What?? WinkyDink Apr 2013 #58

The 1970s had two oil crises that hit all the advanced economies quite hard. JVS Apr 2013 #60