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27. umm -- what party ever advocated for the people controlling the means of production? In

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Tue Apr 9, 2013, 04:28 PM

Apr 2013

modern politics, 'socialism' = the welfare state, and that's what reagan and thatcher tore down.

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If Thatcher was so "evil," how'd she get in? [View all] Archae Apr 2013 OP

Prime Ministers aren't elected. They are chosen by party members with the most seats. JaneyVee Apr 2013 #1

that was too easy JaneyVee warrior1 Apr 2013 #4

The Labour opposition was pathetic, with ridiculous policies. Nye Bevan Apr 2013 #2

this makes it clear that you oppose left wing policies CreekDog Apr 2013 #16

I oppose unilateral nuclear disarmament. Don't you? (nt) Nye Bevan Apr 2013 #22

stop moving the goal posts (but yes, I support nuclear disarmament of England) CreekDog Apr 2013 #24

What am I "running away from"? I'll say it again, unilateral nuclear disarmament was a stupid policy Nye Bevan Apr 2013 #30

you're running away from your criticism of left wing policies CreekDog Apr 2013 #31

OK. I will say for the record that I fully stand by, am not ashamed of, and am not running away from Nye Bevan Apr 2013 #37

What is the value of "left wing policies" that will never be implemented... brooklynite Apr 2013 #54

And, the poor Brits ended up with (ugh!) Tony Blair and 3rd Way/Tory policies. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2013 #19

Reagan's opponents weren't just weak, there was a LOT of anti-incumbent sentiment Blue_Tires Apr 2013 #3

Here's some good info about those times... JoeBlowToo Apr 2013 #51

Carter alienated the working base of the Party and refused to help the Party with fund raising and byeya Apr 2013 #52

Greed sells. Reagan did not win "because" of his opponents unblock Apr 2013 #5

No, there was a specific grievance in Reagan's case that went unaddressed by Democrats, Benton D Struckcheon Apr 2013 #9

i agree indexing brackets made sense, but that was hardly a major issue unblock Apr 2013 #46

I got my first job in Aug of 79, Benton D Struckcheon Apr 2013 #53

Reagan won because of the October Surprise. KittyWampus Apr 2013 #21

that was indeed a large factor. imagine if the hostage crisis had been resolved under carter. unblock Apr 2013 #47

I voted for Jimmy Carter Go Vols Apr 2013 #45

likewise, and agreed. unblock Apr 2013 #48

With one or two exceptions, people like her always seems fairly reasonable Aristus Apr 2013 #6

Also Reagan was a throwback marions ghost Apr 2013 #15

"...those unruly kids of the 60's-70's." KansDem Apr 2013 #32

Yeah marions ghost Apr 2013 #67

Political deals with her party and the other parties. Cleita Apr 2013 #7

And Obama didn't get it and re-elected "because" his opponents are far-right nutcases. Rather... GodlessBiker Apr 2013 #8

people are stupid bowens43 Apr 2013 #10

Same way we got Reagan. Bad Economy and FEARmongering CBGLuthier Apr 2013 #11

Some thoughts - I lived through almost all her tenure dmallind Apr 2013 #12

'third way can win while socialism can not'. lol. 'third way' = neoliberalism & the public hates HiPointDem Apr 2013 #14

Sure - that's why we have all those Congresspeople advocating nationalization eh? dmallind Apr 2013 #25

umm -- what party ever advocated for the people controlling the means of production? In HiPointDem Apr 2013 #27

interesting perspective-thanks for the post Johonny Apr 2013 #26

reagan got in because of psyops. so did thatcher. HiPointDem Apr 2013 #13

The elephant in the room. ananda Apr 2013 #17

Like Reagan, she appealed to middle class fears about the poor. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2013 #18

It's much more surprising when people who *aren't* ruthless attain power. Marr Apr 2013 #20

1) Prime Ministers aren't elected and 2) Harmful leaders take power all the time CreekDog Apr 2013 #23

People saw what they wanted to see in Reagan Yavin4 Apr 2013 #28

We could say the same thing about Bush Coyotl Apr 2013 #29

How'd Boner become Speaker of the House? sadbear Apr 2013 #33

Ask a question WilliamPitt Apr 2013 #34

Why don't you bring up GWB/Cheney? blogslut Apr 2013 #35

She got the leadership of the Tories dsc Apr 2013 #36

She was "evil" because saying so ad nauseum is good for one's DU cred. cherokeeprogressive Apr 2013 #38

allowing tenants to buy their "council houses". You CLEARLY have no IDEA of the effect: WinkyDink Apr 2013 #59

Wow! Thanks for the sermon! nt. OldDem2012 Apr 2013 #61

Allowing tenents to buy council houses? vanlassie Apr 2013 #63

From my reading of the last few days... BlueCheese Apr 2013 #39

You don't really grasp the U.K.'s parliamentary system, do you? n/t markpkessinger Apr 2013 #40

You don't directly elect prime ministers. That said, even she barely saw it coming at the time. (nt) Posteritatis Apr 2013 #41

What planet have you been on for the past 10,000 years or so TheKentuckian Apr 2013 #42

You have GOT to be kidding, right? n/t Jamastiene Apr 2013 #43

Thanks for asking this question.... LeftInTX Apr 2013 #44

The same way any of these psychopaths get in. backscatter712 Apr 2013 #49

A not insignificant reason was the existence of the Social Democratic Party Denzil_DC Apr 2013 #50

Pretty neat trick, considering it was formed two years after Thatcher was elected... brooklynite Apr 2013 #56

That's bogus. How many elections did the Tories win under Thatcher? Denzil_DC Apr 2013 #57

Still not seeing how this is SDP's fault brooklynite Apr 2013 #62

"There's always been a third party in the UK." Denzil_DC Apr 2013 #64

...and my wife was there as well (at Oxford). brooklynite Apr 2013 #65

I was there. If it tells you nothing, that's not my problem. Denzil_DC Apr 2013 #66

nixon won 2 terms...shit happens spanone Apr 2013 #55

What?? WinkyDink Apr 2013 #58

The 1970s had two oil crises that hit all the advanced economies quite hard. JVS Apr 2013 #60