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jeff47

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42. Here's the thing you aren't bothering to think about:

Tue Apr 9, 2013, 06:06 PM

Apr 2013

Fixing such "root causes" leaves plenty of holes.

A fantastic mental health care system will not help anyone who refuses to use it. Such as the shooters in several recent mass shootings.

"The war on drugs" is being focused on via ever more draconian enforcement. Leading to greater violence. So focusing even more on it will cause more shootings. I thought your goal was to reduce gun deaths.

Program after program after program has been created to combat "Gang violence". All of them have failed. So you propose to do more that has failed. I'm not so sure continuing to fail will somehow save lives. Perhaps you could explicitly explain how you plan for failure to succeed this time.

Fact is, "gun grabbing" works. It's been shown to work extremely well - Fully automatic weapons were commonly used in crimes in the prohibition era. The "gun grabbers" got a hold of them, and today automatic weapons are rarely used in crimes.

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Here's why I have a problem with the gun grabbers on DU [View all] B2G Apr 2013 OP

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"Gun grabbers?" Really? TroglodyteScholar Apr 2013 #2

Accidents happen every day in life B2G Apr 2013 #6

Wow, it only took 2 posts for the louis-t Apr 2013 #9

Keep an eye out for "pools." I've got "pools" in the... pool. Robb Apr 2013 #13

Killer swimming pools! CTyankee Apr 2013 #43

Maybe a new record..? TroglodyteScholar Apr 2013 #18

But...but...but Sheepshank Apr 2013 #80

there are bonuses for whomever posts that line first CreekDog Apr 2013 #60

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2013 #91

No, but I'm all for traffic laws, driver's licenses, and auto insurance. Marr Apr 2013 #35

Lots of people die accidently every day without guns being involved davidn3600 Apr 2013 #7

All deaths are tragic. Accidental AND premeditated. mac56 Apr 2013 #20

That wasn't what was asked davidn3600 Apr 2013 #50

As long as we're going there mac56 Apr 2013 #72

That's pretty funny pintobean Apr 2013 #32

Congratulations on your pointless research. TroglodyteScholar Apr 2013 #37

Errm. Yes. Or is anti-second amendment mo better for you? geckosfeet Apr 2013 #100

And before I get attacked for my avatar for a 3rd time today... B2G Apr 2013 #3

Background checks would have done nothing to stop "responsible" gun owner L'hner, Stawicki, Lanza, Hoyt Apr 2013 #22

there's a good idea! CTyankee Apr 2013 #47

Who are those clowns in your picture? Owl Apr 2013 #48

Michigan Militia. Photo is from their right wing web site which promotes guns, racism, and Tbaggers. Hoyt Apr 2013 #51

"...but I have no problem using canned NRA phrases in my OP!" villager Apr 2013 #4

Are you trying to argue that there are no gun grabbers on DU? B2G Apr 2013 #8

Your use of canned NRA phraseology strips away whatever "point" you once had. Entirely. villager Apr 2013 #12

Do you have a list of the "canned NRA" phrases, or the ones that you say are "canned NRA" phrases? AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #19

Other than the fact that rightwingers and gun nuts use the phrase incessantly? villager Apr 2013 #23

Happy to help! Robb Apr 2013 #25

Did you help with the '94 election in which the control of Congress changed from the AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #33

I'm just tickled to hear you're supporting Democrats now! Robb Apr 2013 #36

Actually, MILLIONS of Democrats own firearms. I'm just one. AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #44

Did you notice that "gun grabbers" is not on the chart? AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #49

I love how people call things talking points when they cannot reply intelligently to something The Straight Story Apr 2013 #41

sometimes calling something a talking point is the most intelligent observation that gets made CreekDog Apr 2013 #62

like using loaded language in your OP and expecting "discussion?" villager Apr 2013 #86

Gun Grabber is an inflamitory word that I here on conservatve forums where you take your life in... Nika Apr 2013 #83

My problem with the gun grabbers is that most of them are flaming hypocrites slackmaster Apr 2013 #5

Well, hell, I guess we don't really care about reducing gun deaths. Robb Apr 2013 #10

Cough, Mark Mattioli, cough Fla_Democrat Apr 2013 #24

Wow. You must be a math major. Robb Apr 2013 #28

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"Gun grabber" is a conservative term. Apophis Apr 2013 #11

Not really B2G Apr 2013 #14

Yeah, I'm pretty sure I heard Chomsky use it once. Robb Apr 2013 #38

A universal characteristic, or apparent universal characteristic, of the gun-grabbers AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #15

The FIRST item in any list of root causes for gun violence... TroglodyteScholar Apr 2013 #53

Bull. Mike Bloomberg always talks about other causes. Wellness takes many roots. graham4anything Apr 2013 #59

Guns don't kill people people with guns kill people. upaloopa Apr 2013 #16

Here's what I like about "gun grabbers" mokawanis Apr 2013 #17

gun grabbers' 4 year olds are less likely to blow away house guests.... nt msongs Apr 2013 #21

I am going to steal your words .... they ring so true etherealtruth Apr 2013 #82

Mental Health? Let's start HERE........ rdharma Apr 2013 #26

Any talk meanit Apr 2013 #27

6 months ago a tree blew down and killed a woman. russspeakeasy Apr 2013 #29

It seems to me getting rid of guns would reduce gun deaths. LonePirate Apr 2013 #30

I see no reason not to do both. /nt Marr Apr 2013 #31

Nonsense NRA bullshit bowens43 Apr 2013 #34

bowens43 supports gun confiscation slackmaster Apr 2013 #39

So? TroglodyteScholar Apr 2013 #57

I'm not seeing any kind of racial slur there. Are you a Creationist or something? slackmaster Apr 2013 #87

So what are your suggestions for tacking those root causes? Blue_Tires Apr 2013 #40

Here's the thing you aren't bothering to think about: jeff47 Apr 2013 #42

+1. Another example, 1996 Australia bit the bullet and enacted strict gun controls. It has worked. Hoyt Apr 2013 #56

And here's the thing you are not bothering to think about davidn3600 Apr 2013 #63

Funny how you can't manage to highlight the first 4 words. jeff47 Apr 2013 #74

Then propose to change it! davidn3600 Apr 2013 #90

I have a problem with your attitude - right out of the gate trixie Apr 2013 #45

Calling people "gun grabbers" is your problem Warpy Apr 2013 #46

There's lots of root causes Taverner Apr 2013 #52

If it means one less death Fla_Democrat Apr 2013 #65

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your are partially right, but DonCoquixote Apr 2013 #55

The poll has only been up for a short time, but there doesn't seem to be many gun grabbers here. ZombieHorde Apr 2013 #58

I wonder how the same poll Fla_Democrat Apr 2013 #68

I sent a pm to the hosts, and if they say it is cool, ZombieHorde Apr 2013 #71

Wanna cite some statistics to back that up? Other than your NRA pamphlet? nt joeybee12 Apr 2013 #61

Guns have nothing to do with gun violence? baldguy Apr 2013 #64

Gun grabber? liberal N proud Apr 2013 #66

This, and most "gun" threads on DU, ignore cbrer Apr 2013 #67

The problem is there is lots of distrust involved in this debate davidn3600 Apr 2013 #85

Are you suggesting that people who are for gun control measures PA Democrat Apr 2013 #69

i see very little discussion of those thing here B2G Apr 2013 #73

You are wrong. I've been here almost 10 years PA Democrat Apr 2013 #76

Gun Grabber.. too funny. DontTreadOnMe Apr 2013 #70

You totally lost me at the "gun grabbers" epithet. kestrel91316 Apr 2013 #75

Well, since you're being honest about it... derby378 Apr 2013 #97

I would use the term Niceguy1 Apr 2013 #77

Gun grabbers is an NRA republican term Kingofalldems Apr 2013 #79

the op Niceguy1 Apr 2013 #89

here's why I have a problem with YOU Skittles Apr 2013 #78

No, not really gollygee Apr 2013 #81

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Apr 2013 #84

If We Really Cared? otohara Apr 2013 #88

I can't respond to this thread w/o doing my Andrew Dice Clay impression Bucky Apr 2013 #93

Who is grabbing your gun, pray tell? Or is that a euphemism for something? curlyred Apr 2013 #94

Here's why I have a problem with the gun nuts (gungasmers) on DU etherealtruth Apr 2013 #95

I would say that there are a lot of 'delicate flowers' sarisataka Apr 2013 #98

I'm going to lock this now. Lone_Star_Dem Apr 2013 #99