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Lucky Luciano

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42. I would estimate that dividing by 25 is about right.

Tue Apr 9, 2013, 08:49 PM

Apr 2013

Of course that is gross market value, so there is also some netting that can be done. Not sure what stress scenario analyses do to these values though. It is better to speak in terms of values instead of notionals.

http://www.bis.org/statistics/derstats.htm
The top line PDF file from this link has the data.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interest_rate_swap#section_6

Interest rate swaps are the lion's share if the derivs market. This is a pretty simple description.

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Glad someone has a clue. Lucky Luciano Apr 2013 #35

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uh Occulus Apr 2013 #41

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See, THAT'S why I come here, Volaris Apr 2013 #46

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...and just finished it. Benton D Struckcheon Apr 2013 #14

Well, in the bank's view, the depositors are safe as they get stock in lieu of $$. snappyturtle Apr 2013 #15

No, that's not what it says. Benton D Struckcheon Apr 2013 #17

Actually the FDIC-BOE article says from the beginning snappyturtle Apr 2013 #27

I'm not addressing the article, I'm addressing the primary source, the actual plan. Benton D Struckcheon Apr 2013 #30

I was using the same source as you. Unfortunately, I used the term 'article'. nt snappyturtle Apr 2013 #37

Where does it "say from the beginning that depositers are unsecured creditors"? muriel_volestrangler Apr 2013 #57

It doesn't. What I meant to say was that from the beginning to the end of snappyturtle Apr 2013 #58

Here's the paragraph that Benton refers to just above muriel_volestrangler Apr 2013 #24

It's a post Cyprus interpretation of the document that doesn't stand up to even cursory scrutiny, Benton D Struckcheon Apr 2013 #32

Well, it's not 'obvious' to me. Maybe you should also read snappyturtle Apr 2013 #36

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Read that again Benton D Struckcheon Apr 2013 #19

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That's notional value Benton D Struckcheon Apr 2013 #23

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Thanks for posting these links too...love me some Richard Wolff. I find snappyturtle Apr 2013 #29

That's just an appeal to authority Benton D Struckcheon Apr 2013 #31

Richard Wolff is an economics professor. OnyxCollie Apr 2013 #33

You still have not acknowledged the difference between derivative notional and derivative value. Lucky Luciano Apr 2013 #38

Well, what's the difference then? OnyxCollie Apr 2013 #39

I would estimate that dividing by 25 is about right. Lucky Luciano Apr 2013 #42

Even dividing by 25 is still a shitload of money. nt OnyxCollie Apr 2013 #44

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