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newthinking

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130. Now it is the "Three dimensional chess" argument?
Wed Apr 10, 2013, 04:16 AM
Apr 2013

I understand that argument. But I disagree entirely.

Has anyone at the higher levels even considered how it is:

People were disgusted at the end of the Bush term. He delivered a unique opportunity on a platter. Since then the Republicans have become more and more distasteful to even many of their own. They have almost imploded!

Yet the Democrats are still fighting for majorities!

Has it ever occurred to the leadership that they are doing something seriously WRONG in their approach?

The citizenry were ready to hear something different. And that showed in 2008. The President came in strong because he clearly announced a serious difference in values and told the public he would offer a different vision.

But then since he got in office he stopped being bold in his expression of that difference. Thinking that would get him more wins. It doesn't. But yet the party keeps trying the same approach.. almost afraid that the energy of the population behind him would not be enough. "Beltway" logic seems to have been substituted when what is really needed at this time is to energize the people by offerring a truly apparent difference in ideas.

Then, to add to it, when things don't work well try to use intimidation as if that is going to get back that "2008" energy. It is almost hillarious if it were not so tragic

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If I wanted to read rants against the left I could go to Free Republic Fumesucker Apr 2013 #1
Or check the White House site for transcripts. nt MannyGoldstein Apr 2013 #48
No one here is quiet about the non Medicade expansion....right here in fLA every day....so can it. SugarShack Apr 2013 #189
If I wanted to read rants against President Obama, I could go to Free Republic, too. n/t Bolo Boffin Apr 2013 #54
Why do you pragmatic moderate centrists even care what the left thinks? Fumesucker Apr 2013 #69
I'm just saying your argument is weak, Fumesucker. Bolo Boffin Apr 2013 #77
If only it was just the Left that is outraged over a Democratic president offering to cut SS but sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #83
+1000 blackspade Apr 2013 #125
So what is the proper term for those on the left... DCBob Apr 2013 #170
I'm not sure who you are referring to. If you are referring to 'democrats' who are attempting to sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #173
How about "Strawman" AgingAmerican Apr 2013 #188
+100 G_j Apr 2013 #177
It says that they are "hurting.". If this is all they have KoKo Apr 2013 #194
Oh wow, so what are you bothering with? treestar Apr 2013 #161
Between that and all the pious souls getting offended Warpy Apr 2013 #121
The DLC got the message... Damage control is now in process... newthinking Apr 2013 #123
interesting....and true. no longer fun at all Sheepshank Apr 2013 #146
+1000 Andy823 Apr 2013 #181
We also need to stop outsourcing jobs so American workers have decent jobs to contribute to SS nt antigop Apr 2013 #206
If we wanted to hear rants against the President/Democrats we could go there too treestar Apr 2013 #160
Cut this down to four paragraphs so you don't run afoul of copyright...but yes, it is a fair point. MADem Apr 2013 #2
I was just thinking that last paragraph utterly nailed it Number23 Apr 2013 #15
Yes, poor helpless "No Control" Obama. WinkyDink Apr 2013 #3
the prez is just a bystander, you know Skittles Apr 2013 #5
Totally helpless. Marr Apr 2013 #35
*Abandoned* by librul meanies. WorseBeforeBetter Apr 2013 #96
Another twisted mischaracterization Bobbie Jo Apr 2013 #154
He has control over some things and none over others treestar Apr 2013 #163
"emoprogs and the so-called professional left " bobduca Apr 2013 #4
"emoprogs" = white Democrats AgingAmerican Apr 2013 #53
"Emo" really sums up the foaming-at-the-mouth frenzy. n/t BumRushDaShow Apr 2013 #6
"Emoprog" certainly deserves a place in the lexicon tridim Apr 2013 #37
I believe there is a very good moral & economic argument against cutting SS & Medicare at all. JaneyVee Apr 2013 #7
How is the pay? roody Apr 2013 #61
A bunch of nonsense and invective. Bluenorthwest Apr 2013 #8
I managed to wade through until I got to "emoprogs". pa28 Apr 2013 #9
"Emoprogs" kicked me into scan mode. hay rick Apr 2013 #60
You probably missed the part about liberal whining causing the 2010 disaster. pa28 Apr 2013 #68
I seem to recall, just a few years back, Art_from_Ark Apr 2013 #85
Remember that absorbed dosage of bullshit Union Scribe Apr 2013 #93
If you are are comparing this to radioactivity I've already got a fatal dose. I might as well study. pa28 Apr 2013 #108
. Starry Messenger Apr 2013 #10
That pic looks familiar. Where did I see it? demmiblue Apr 2013 #12
Some obscure lefty website, with emoprogs for owners no doubt! Starry Messenger Apr 2013 #18
! demmiblue Apr 2013 #21
Rmuse can... 99Forever Apr 2013 #11
and the Third Way Trojan horse they rode in on neverforget Apr 2013 #16
I always laugh when I see references like this, because THIRD is precisely what this particular patrice Apr 2013 #63
So basically it's the Left's fault that the President put SSI on the table? neverforget Apr 2013 #13
Why, of course! Everything is our fault! Didn't you know? markpkessinger Apr 2013 #17
Got to agree. RGinNJ Apr 2013 #73
The Dino's and worshipers want SS on the table. You don't see them defending SS. L0oniX Apr 2013 #74
you got that right. very well said! neverforget Apr 2013 #110
This kind of post is what the "emo" is for treestar Apr 2013 #165
So Obama was forced to give SSI to Republicans because? neverforget Apr 2013 #168
SSI? treestar Apr 2013 #182
you can't even answer the question. I guess my Senator is an "emo" neverforget Apr 2013 #186
No you made that leap treestar Apr 2013 #207
Look what this Republican said today about Chained CPI neverforget Apr 2013 #210
Take THAT, The Left! Union Scribe Apr 2013 #14
I really resent the term "Professional Left" markpkessinger Apr 2013 #19
I agree it is an idiotic term grantcart Apr 2013 #59
I always thought he was aiming it at leftwing punditry AgingAmerican Apr 2013 #126
Yes : professional commentators, high dollar web bloggers/sites (HuffPo) emulatorloo Apr 2013 #215
the 'professional left' are the minders who write crap like this. HiPointDem Apr 2013 #20
more like the Palace Guard neverforget Apr 2013 #22
whatever you call it, they get paid to spout crap. unlike me. HiPointDem Apr 2013 #25
I will not say it. I will not. I will not. nt msanthrope Apr 2013 #34
Heheh... SidDithers Apr 2013 #42
I don't understand why crap like this gets posted to DU.... OldDem2012 Apr 2013 #23
"I know. Have at it." Maven Apr 2013 #24
seems like carolinayellowdog Apr 2013 #156
delusional. KG Apr 2013 #26
What's delusional is thinking that threats & promises not to vote etc. get you what you want in a patrice Apr 2013 #36
So what does work? JDPriestly Apr 2013 #81
Everyone on that bandwagon needs to ask themselves why they are working to defeat THEIR OWN issue.nt patrice Apr 2013 #27
The only one handing Repugs what they want is President Obama. MotherPetrie Apr 2013 #28
I don't believe I have ever seen you spout anything but propaganda slogans. PLEASE answer a question patrice Apr 2013 #30
One that doesn't mean I'll freeze and starve in my old age? Fumesucker Apr 2013 #32
So, you'll throw the defeat of DOMA under the bus, alternative energy development, the right to patrice Apr 2013 #50
You said one, not all of them Fumesucker Apr 2013 #66
Obama is doing next to nothing for the environment. JDPriestly Apr 2013 #86
There's this. sheshe2 Apr 2013 #106
I believe that the military is taking action on the environment JDPriestly Apr 2013 #111
I agree with you, that nuclear waste is a huge issue. sheshe2 Apr 2013 #115
If Republicans win, yes treestar Apr 2013 #166
There is no reason to trade ANY issue unless pro-Obama propaganda like yours MotherPetrie Apr 2013 #149
And NO ONE will say what issue they'll throw under the bus in exchange for success against the CPI. patrice Apr 2013 #29
Success against the CPI? How about not offering it up to the Republicans? neverforget Apr 2013 #33
To find out who will go for it and who won't and who will give what to make it happen and patrice Apr 2013 #39
So we have to choose between seniors and kids to satisfy Republicans? neverforget Apr 2013 #55
NO! not if people stop advertising to the opposition that they will weaken the Democrats' positions patrice Apr 2013 #75
I'm not threatening Democrats. neverforget Apr 2013 #113
Now it is the "Three dimensional chess" argument? newthinking Apr 2013 #130
+1,000 nt MADem Apr 2013 #131
I would trade half of our overseas military bases for no chained CPI JDPriestly Apr 2013 #94
and that can't be discussed because that ground (military bloat) newthinking Apr 2013 #132
We have to trade something with the Democratic President? Marr Apr 2013 #40
We could not go after Cheney, or Wall Street, and we can not go after some of the trillions Babel_17 Apr 2013 #52
I have an idea, instead of asking which of my other organs I am willing to sacrifice Dragonfli Apr 2013 #139
Issue thrown under the bus? AgingAmerican Apr 2013 #172
'The Left' Nite Owl Apr 2013 #31
It is not wrong for the "left" to protect popular progrms created Progressive dog Apr 2013 #38
That's right, when that protection is mounted effectively. What is going on is not protection, it's patrice Apr 2013 #41
Let's cut the military budget and do away with private contractors for JDPriestly Apr 2013 #100
Military contractors are CHEAPER than using military personnel to do the work. MADem Apr 2013 #133
But very, very good for the economy. JDPriestly Apr 2013 #151
Unfortunately, in the case of the present war, we, as a nation, were not on a MADem Apr 2013 #175
All volunteer means to me that volunteers cook and wash dishes, JDPriestly Apr 2013 #178
It costs too much to do that. Soldiers are for putting ordnance on target, not scrubbing crappers. MADem Apr 2013 #185
But the reality remains: the old way won WWII; the new way hasn't won anything. JDPriestly Apr 2013 #192
When have we fought a "World War" since WW2? MADem Apr 2013 #196
We lost Iraq on the ground. JDPriestly Apr 2013 #198
We had no business in Iraq--Dumbya wanted to avenge his "deddy," plain and simple. MADem Apr 2013 #201
So, in this world of serious political negotiations Sheepshank Apr 2013 #164
Yes. It is the only proposal that will work. JDPriestly Apr 2013 #174
Awesome... SidDithers Apr 2013 #43
So is there a "Professional Left" giftwrap? I like my gifts to be special. Safetykitten Apr 2013 #44
Got to slice and dice. Rex Apr 2013 #47
Break promises, lost trust Babel_17 Apr 2013 #45
Please produce links with quotes in which the word "promise" was used. Thanks. nt patrice Apr 2013 #56
You don't consider saying you'll do something a promise? Babel_17 Apr 2013 #67
Looking forward to it, including a discusion of how presidents are not kings. nt patrice Apr 2013 #79
Why is that up for discussion? Babel_17 Apr 2013 #84
The guy in that video looks familiar... 99Forever Apr 2013 #152
That is a funny article. Rex Apr 2013 #46
DO NOT STAY HOME nakocal Apr 2013 #49
It's certainly not Obama's fault MannyGoldstein Apr 2013 #51
Bush's third term really sucked. nt hay rick Apr 2013 #62
Raging against the left on a Democratic blog? AgingAmerican Apr 2013 #57
Look through this thread and you will see that the worshippers are just fine with Rmuse. L0oniX Apr 2013 #65
Do you suppose... Oilwellian Apr 2013 #107
Or perhaps... AgingAmerican Apr 2013 #114
"It's all a game to them"... newthinking Apr 2013 #127
Calling for the President's impeachment on a Democratic blog? sheshe2 Apr 2013 #82
Did AgingAmerican Say That HangOnKids Apr 2013 #88
I never said that Aging American said that. I never quoted him. sheshe2 Apr 2013 #95
"DU" is not calling for impeachment. Union Scribe Apr 2013 #98
Really? sheshe2 Apr 2013 #101
There is great irony here. Union Scribe Apr 2013 #105
According to the huge # of Op's that are being posted here sheshe2 Apr 2013 #112
Opinions are a bad thing AgingAmerican Apr 2013 #179
Oh sure, 52 people out of thousands...I see what you are doing here. Rex Apr 2013 #208
Priceless HangOnKids Apr 2013 #103
I feel just as overwhelmed by those raging against the President, babylonsister Apr 2013 #128
They arent raging against the president AgingAmerican Apr 2013 #129
Noope, SS is the just the most recent rage Sheepshank Apr 2013 #150
Rage against the strawman AgingAmerican Apr 2013 #171
This message was self-deleted by its author carolinayellowdog Apr 2013 #159
That is the largest pile of bullshit I have ever seen on DU. You could grow mushrooms on it and... L0oniX Apr 2013 #58
Your post is priceless Art_from_Ark Apr 2013 #102
yeah, emoprogs like Bernie fucking Sanders just need to chill the fuck out.. frylock Apr 2013 #64
The ritual floggings have commenced. Hekate Apr 2013 #70
Let 'em rage with their hyperbolic tantrums. Cha Apr 2013 #71
More pushing of the Third Way lie that liberals stayed home in 2010. MrSlayer Apr 2013 #72
And many of the coveted moderates and independents who voted for O in 2008... WorseBeforeBetter Apr 2013 #90
EXACTLY! veganlush Apr 2013 #76
babylonsister makes the complaint that a legitimate disagreement with a bad proposal Nika Apr 2013 #78
Huh? Summer Hathaway Apr 2013 #104
fuck that. the OP was another shit and run post blaming liberals for obama's poor decisions.. frylock Apr 2013 #158
You mean like someone learning the proper definition of "apologist"? Starry Messenger Apr 2013 #169
The OP is a divisive temper tantrum AgingAmerican Apr 2013 #176
I merely asked a question. Nika Apr 2013 #205
Please do not attempt Summer Hathaway Apr 2013 #80
Where do you guys get this stuff? AgingAmerican Apr 2013 #134
Still not convinced. But keep the Crap Blogs coming... WorseBeforeBetter Apr 2013 #87
+1 Rex Apr 2013 #92
Dems should present Dem budget, R's should try to force compromise. nt delrem Apr 2013 #89
Right, and that's exactly what will happen. The Dem budget hasn't been presented yet. tridim Apr 2013 #136
The Professional Left Is Handing Republicans Precisely What They Want, Thanks To Obama DeSwiss Apr 2013 #91
K&R! n/t sheshe2 Apr 2013 #97
Hahaha whatchamacallit Apr 2013 #99
Immasmartypants' distant cousin? WorseBeforeBetter Apr 2013 #109
Cute. N/T sheshe2 Apr 2013 #116
Not as cute as this... WorseBeforeBetter Apr 2013 #118
Chained CPI is Handing Republicans Precisely What They Want AgingAmerican Apr 2013 #117
The Republicans want SS privatized. tridim Apr 2013 #137
I thought we had to offer up cuts because THEY wanted them? They don't want these cuts? Dragonfli Apr 2013 #140
The Republicans want SS to just go away so they can steal the money AgingAmerican Apr 2013 #180
How does offering up SS to the republican chopping block keep it from becoming privatized? AgingAmerican Apr 2013 #184
It doesn't because SS wasn't "offered up to the GOP chopping block"... tridim Apr 2013 #190
It's in Obama's budget proposal, proposing to cut SS and Medicare - AKA chopping block AgingAmerican Apr 2013 #195
Now Medicare is cut too? tridim Apr 2013 #197
Yes, $305 billion over ten years AgingAmerican Apr 2013 #199
Obama also proposes $305 billion in cuts to Medicare over a decade... tridim Apr 2013 #204
Obama budget cuts Medicare benefits and provider payments AgingAmerican Apr 2013 #211
Post removed Post removed Apr 2013 #119
And they conveniently leave out this excerpt from the article that started it ALL: Comrade_McKenzie Apr 2013 #120
Then what is the point of doing it? blackspade Apr 2013 #142
means testing SS is a step toward destroying it e.o.m. amborin Apr 2013 #143
! QC Apr 2013 #200
If anyone actually believed all that crap TheKentuckian Apr 2013 #122
Drivel. blackspade Apr 2013 #124
Wow,what a mind numbingly stupid article. bowens43 Apr 2013 #135
I demand my back pay! n/t Tom Rinaldo Apr 2013 #138
I'll tell you why I'm miffed OnionPatch Apr 2013 #141
"Symbolism" does matter /nt Armstead Apr 2013 #144
Several bingos in this thread Capt. Obvious Apr 2013 #145
Bingo indeed-- great post carolinayellowdog Apr 2013 #162
This bingo card gives me all kinds of warm & fuzzies! bullwinkle428 Apr 2013 #191
Smells like teen spirit. Zorra Apr 2013 #147
That about sums it up. Obama = BAD, BAD, BAD!!! Meanwhile, *crikets* on how Republicans are Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2013 #148
^^^This treestar Apr 2013 #167
"point the finger at him FIRST" AgingAmerican Apr 2013 #183
Even apart from the SS issue, this has been happening ever since the man but his hand on Liberal_Stalwart71 Apr 2013 #202
Yes and don't forget Andy823 Apr 2013 #203
Don't, please try to steer fredamae Apr 2013 #153
The Third way folks are the real "professional left" Mnpaul Apr 2013 #155
For the Father Knows Best wing of the party, blame the left is easier than standing up to the Repugs Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2013 #157
Does being a "Professional Leftist" mean I should be getting paid for my views? deutsey Apr 2013 #187
What about the "Professional Right" are they important too? bemildred Apr 2013 #193
Wow, a hit and run article that is full of crap. Rex Apr 2013 #209
Sadly, I think you may be right. AverageJoe90 Apr 2013 #212
Why inflict this on us? KamaAina Apr 2013 #213
they had people like this writer in Haiti MisterP Apr 2013 #214
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