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Wed Apr 10, 2013, 07:55 AM Apr 2013

Classified Report Shows America's Drones Aren't Just Killing Al Qaeda Members [View all]

http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2013/04/classified-report-shows-americas-drones-arent-just-killing-al-qaeda-members/274835/



The Obama administration's drone attacks have not just targeted Al Qaeda leaders, but a wide variety of groups and individuals in Pakistan, according to classified intelligence documents obtained by McClatchy's Jonathan Landay.

"At least 265 of up to 482 people who the U.S. intelligence reports estimated the CIA killed during a 12-month period ending in September 2011 were not senior al Qaida leaders but instead were 'assessed' as Afghan, Pakistani and unknown extremists," Landay writes in the story, published today.

This is despite the administration's rhetoric about how the CIA is using its drones solely to go after high-ranking Al Qaeda officials. Landay notes that when John Brennan gave the longest defense of the program on record, he "referred to al Qaida 73 times, the Afghan Taliban three times and mentioned no other group by name."

While my colleague Conor Friedersdorf has repeatedly questioned the moral and legal logic of the drone war, Micah Zenko of the Council of Foreign Relations ponders another dark possibility in the McClatchy article. The United States is leading the creation and adoption of drone technology and forming the norms for their deployment in ad hoc, hypocritical way. So what's going to happen when other countries get their own large drone fleets?
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"what's going to happen when other countries get their own large drone fleets?" Nothing. stevenleser Apr 2013 #1
Ok. And about the non-AQ we are murdering? morningfog Apr 2013 #2
I think you're being naive, or at least unimaginative... DreamGypsy Apr 2013 #29
No shit. We've known it for years. So has morningfog Apr 2013 #3
No one ever mentions that it is a tactic of AQ members to keep themselves TheDebbieDee Apr 2013 #4
That justifies killing of civilians? Explain how. idwiyo Apr 2013 #5
I don't think that what (s)he's saying. SwissTony Apr 2013 #6
it's what people say so they can sleep at night frylock Apr 2013 #7
^^^^ this^^^^ Doesn't make me sleep any better though. Makes me sick. idwiyo Apr 2013 #13
I sleep just fine, thank you. TheDebbieDee Apr 2013 #19
and everytime we drone bomb innocent people, we get more guerillas in the mist.. frylock Apr 2013 #20
What does that have to do with YOU giving the guerillas a pass for the crime TheDebbieDee Apr 2013 #21
fuck this.. frylock Apr 2013 #22
Get over yourself! This is modern warfare. TheDebbieDee Apr 2013 #24
you can't seem to understand that we create more and more of the guerilla.. frylock Apr 2013 #26
You continue to move off subject. I maintain that the guerillas that seek refuge TheDebbieDee Apr 2013 #27
Depends what you mean by justification. The UN groups that look into war crimes stevenleser Apr 2013 #8
Innocent civilians. Women, men, children. People who have nothing to do with value of target. idwiyo Apr 2013 #9
No need to personalize, I am simply relaying how international law looks at the situation nt stevenleser Apr 2013 #11
Screw the law that justifies killing of civilians. War criminals need it to cover their arses. idwiyo Apr 2013 #14
The war criminals of the first order are the cowards that seek refuge TheDebbieDee Apr 2013 #18
condemning the murder of civilians is not giving "guerilla war criminals a pass" frylock Apr 2013 #23
I'm just stating facts! Everyone is up in arms about the collateral damage of drone strikes......... TheDebbieDee Apr 2013 #25
If you've been paying attention, you know this information Rex Apr 2013 #10
No doubt this administration will bring to justice the murderers of civilians. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2013 #12
They already decided we needed to 'move on' and not Rex Apr 2013 #15
Medals! woo me with science Apr 2013 #16
Thank you for the link. Missed it before. idwiyo Apr 2013 #17
I'd be more concerned if we weren't still at war there bhikkhu Apr 2013 #28
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