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calimary

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Wed Apr 10, 2013, 12:54 PM Apr 2013

So then let's just get rid of all the stop signs. [View all]

Because people don't always stop for them. Law-doesn't-work, don't-need-it, unnecessary, bad-guys-won't-stop-anyway, blah-blah-blah.

I live on a reckless street. People speed. Residents, gardeners, visitors, contractors, you name it. There's total disregard of speed limits, or safety, or common consideration for the neighbors here. They speed like crazed demons. We have had our side mirrors sheered off, our parked cars side-swiped, nannies pushing baby strollers have to dive into the bushes to escape oncoming racers. The offenders are always going too fast for anybody to get a license plate number. They're never caught. I've had to replace TWO side mirrors, myself, because nobody stopped to apologize or exchange insurance information to fix my car that they just scraped up. We have old people living on our street who don't move fast. We have dog walkers and babysitters. We have children on roller skates and skateboards and scooters, chasing bouncing balls out into the street, bicycle-riders - and a whole bunch of other people who literally take their lives into their hands simply attempting to cross the street. It's freakin' RIDICULOUS.

It's a canyon road, with a pretty straight shot and no significant curves, from the big main street from which it stems - all the way to the top of the dead end, some two miles up. Until recently there was ONE and only one stop sign way up at the 1.8-mile mark, and all of us farther down have been plagued by the speeders, nonstop. (Indeed. Pardon the pun). FINALLY, after years of lobbying, petitioning, bothering our city council person, bothering the municipal traffic control people, bothering the local cops to come out and write speeding tickets, we FINALLY got one in our section of the road that many people mistakenly view as the Indianapolis Motor Speedway.

And guess what? They still don't stop. Knowing this, and realizing how many scofflaws there are, what's the point in having stop signs - if people will just ignore them or roll through them? They don't work, 'eh? Those stop signs don't prevent those reckless drivers and speeders from speeding, and they don't make those drivers come to a stop.

HOWEVER, they DO slow down. They slow down enough - even if just a little bit - that the little old lady a block farther down, or the nanny with the 2-year-old twins, or the mom with her five-year-old and their dog, and others like them, actually do have an extra second or two - to get out of the way, and up onto the sidewalk to safety. IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE. Even just that little bitty second or two.

Now, to apply the logic that the gun nuts love - "more laws won't work," "people will still be able to get guns," "you can't stop people who want to get a gun..." "useless, useless," blah-blah-blah...

Well, okay. Understood. Human nature being what it is, indeed we will NOT stop everyone who's hellbent on getting a gun - any more than erecting a stop sign on a speed-road will make speeders come to a complete stop. We will NOT stop every bad guy or nutcase from getting a gun. BUT WE CAN - AND WILL - SLOW THEM DOWN. WE CAN SLOW DOWN THE FLOOD OF WANTON GUN SALES. We can make it even just a TINY bit harder to get a gun, or more complicated, or more problematic, or more inconvenient, to get a gun. We can increase the discouragement factor. And maybe last year, if there were ten mass shootings around the country, perhaps this year, there'll be eight or nine. Maybe instead of 3000-some-odd people who get killed by gun violence PER MONTH in this country (it was described as the equivalent of a 9/11 EVERY MONTH), perhaps it'll be 2500 next month. Or 2000. Maybe ten more children will be alive. Maybe five more families will not have to bury a loved one a week before Christmas. Maybe even ONE OR TWO fewer mothers and fathers will cry themselves to sleep every night for the rest of their lives. And maybe if some nut cases are STILL hellbent on mayhem, they'll turn to a knife or something else, like that perpetrator did at Lone Star College yesterday. And yeah, there were victims. People were injured. But no one died. And it wasn't dozens of people mowed down in the space of a few heartbeats, either.

Guys - SERIOUSLY. Let's take a page from the anti-choice crowd. They're incredibly sneaky, shrewd, and resolute. Once Roe v Wade came to be, they began, slowly, steadily, and systematically, to try to slow it down, chip away at it around the edges, weaken it, block it, hobble it, IN ANY WAY THEY COULD, to put an impediment or other complication or difficulty in its path. Since they couldn't stop it or get rid of it outright, they opted for the erosion strategy. Kill it with a thousand little bitty cuts. Pick away at it year after year after year, while also wearing down the opposition because they never stop and they never give up and they never go away. And 30 years or so later, look at what they've been able to accomplish! Yeah, the right to choose is still on the books - kind of. But so many little holes have been poked in it by now that in many states it wouldn't stay afloat for two seconds, and for all intents and purposes, it's pretty much undone. In more and more states Roe v Wade has been whittled down to a mere technicality.

GUYS - WE NEED TO TAKE THAT APPROACH AS WELL - against wanton access to ANY AND ALL guns including mass-murder weapons. I don't care WHAT the NRA talking points are. THESE are the REAL Weapons of Mass Destruction. And they do NOT belong in civilian hands. And we the vast majority must no longer be held hostage to the bullying of the NRA and a dwindling number of crazed paranoiacs.

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Proud to kick and recommend this *EXTREMELY* well written post. IdaBriggs Apr 2013 #1
Thank you, IdaBriggs! calimary Apr 2013 #2
If we follow your analogy... Bay Boy Apr 2013 #3
Oh we've already done that. Tried it. It only worked for the hour or so the speed trap was there. calimary Apr 2013 #7
What YOU need are speed bumps robbob Apr 2013 #39
Cars require every driver to have a license Sheepshank Apr 2013 #17
Couldn't have said it better and... TreasonousBastard Apr 2013 #4
This is what gun control advocates... Bay Boy Apr 2013 #5
Well, if their side can do it, I think OUR side should do it too. calimary Apr 2013 #10
I'm just saying this is why you shouldn't be too shocked Bay Boy Apr 2013 #25
Yep, you're absolutely correct. And that does NOT mean we should EVER back down. calimary Apr 2013 #49
Off to greatest with you! nt raccoon Apr 2013 #6
Thank you, raccoon! calimary Apr 2013 #8
Speed Bumps or Chicanes One_Life_To_Give Apr 2013 #9
We have those as well! Speed bumps for sure. calimary Apr 2013 #14
Your bumps are too small One_Life_To_Give Apr 2013 #18
Yeah, that is true, too. But those are all we're allowed. calimary Apr 2013 #22
So laws up to but not including bans will not work? hack89 Apr 2013 #11
Not at all. calimary Apr 2013 #19
I agree - that is why universal background checks are so important. nt hack89 Apr 2013 #28
TOTALLY!!!! They are critically important, and considering the nature of them, calimary Apr 2013 #31
I think the OP is addressing the hyperbole that Dash87 Apr 2013 #41
The less AR-15s and high capacity mags out there, the better. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2013 #12
The present number in the hands of the public must not represent a threat to public safety hack89 Apr 2013 #15
I'm sure the officials and families in Connecticut were certain the law of averages was on calimary Apr 2013 #32
Would you make their possession illegal? hack89 Apr 2013 #33
Well, if calimary was king, I'd say yes. calimary Apr 2013 #40
If people answered this one honestly... Bay Boy Apr 2013 #51
Well, I for one would NOT shed tears if the gun manufacturing industry lost some income. calimary Apr 2013 #54
This actually works pretty well in Vietnam Paul E Ester Apr 2013 #13
That's funny n/t Bay Boy Apr 2013 #55
kick! napkinz Apr 2013 #16
They call such intersections TRAFFIC CIRCLES...very popular HereSince1628 Apr 2013 #20
The solution where I live are speed bumps. The ones designed to really make them slow down. freshwest Apr 2013 #21
Agreed. I just wish we could have those on our street. calimary Apr 2013 #23
My neighborhood kept insisting until it was done. It doesn't always take a death to do so. freshwest Apr 2013 #27
That's what finally happened for us, and how we got those stop signs on our street. calimary Apr 2013 #57
All very true. But I think the speed bumps would help your community since they run the stop signs. freshwest Apr 2013 #58
I know the speed bumps you're describing - there are some, shall we say, ruthless ones. calimary Apr 2013 #59
I know... Alternatively, how about a sign saying they're being filmed at the Stop sign? Install freshwest Apr 2013 #60
And Emergency services hate them. /nt TheMadMonk Apr 2013 #62
Only cops should be driving on streets. Dr. Strange Apr 2013 #24
yes, but they routinely ignore things like 'coming to a complete stop'. HereSince1628 Apr 2013 #26
We had a state cop living up the street years ago IDemo Apr 2013 #29
Limit vehicle speeds nationoflaws Apr 2013 #30
You win! Zoeisright Apr 2013 #37
I'm not arguing with some measures of gun control nationoflaws Apr 2013 #42
Must be a new definition of "fun" that ain't in my dictionary yet. mac56 Apr 2013 #45
Fun for me includes playing Devil's advocate to make sure an argument is sound. nationoflaws Apr 2013 #48
You must be a stone cold blast at parties. mac56 Apr 2013 #50
I was referring to the OP's street as a reference. I don't know where you live... nationoflaws Apr 2013 #52
Um, Calimary IS the OP. So I DID answer your question. mac56 Apr 2013 #53
Nation O' Flaws? mac56 Apr 2013 #38
So we need laws against owning cars? Or just laws to punish those who misuse them? The Straight Story Apr 2013 #34
There are "cars" you can't own: tanks; there should be "guns" you can't own: ARs & 10+bullet mags. SunSeeker Apr 2013 #36
You can own a tank nationoflaws Apr 2013 #43
I hope you're enjoying your pizza. nt SunSeeker Apr 2013 #64
Tell me what you think an AR does that is different from other guns (nt) The Straight Story Apr 2013 #47
A 22 revolver can't blast 26 people to pieces in a few minutes like an AR can. SunSeeker Apr 2013 #63
We regulate speeding, drunk driving, etc. even though people often speed or drive drunk without onenote Apr 2013 #46
K&R abelenkpe Apr 2013 #35
I once lived on a block where there were no street signs of any kind. Cleita Apr 2013 #44
Excellent post. calimary Apr 2013 #61
Get rid of stop signs because law breakers will go through them anyway. Kablooie Apr 2013 #56
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