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fadedrose

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36. Dean lost to Kerry (2004) & Hillary lost to Obama (2008)

Wed Apr 10, 2013, 03:22 PM

Apr 2013

Hillary wasn't running in 2004, but she didn't want Dean to win. He dropped out after he lost Iowa. He was the first to call the Iraqi war wrong, and the first to talk about universal health care. I heard her speech in Iowa, painful tho it was to listen, and didn't care for her then either...that was Iowa in 2004. She was not running but wanted to wait till 2008 and didn't want Dean cluttering up her primaries... Funny, but a lot of people wondered why Kerry didn't fight to have Ohio recounted.

I am confused about a lot of things, but not who ran against who.

2008 is when Hillary had her sights on winning - but Obama tripped her up. And Bill never forgave him for it, and in spite of the speech he made at the 2012 convention, I thought it was to collect favors in 2016. That's the type of thing that Obama meant when he said about Panetta, "he served without a personal agenda."

Gore vs Bush (2000) - and I always wondered why he didn't accept the Clintons' help when he was running...

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Guess who’s not coming to dinner? [View all] Ichingcarpenter Apr 2013 OP

Bernie is awesome. darkangel218 Apr 2013 #1

This isn't 12-dimensional chess, Le Taz Hot Apr 2013 #2

I'm voting for the party who doesn't want cuts to SS. Autumn Apr 2013 #3

Of course there are U.S. political parties that don't want to cut OASDI. merrily Apr 2013 #12

I'm voting for the party who doesn't want cuts to SS. The CCC Apr 2013 #24

There are. OnyxCollie Apr 2013 #28

Maybe he can offer to play golf or shoot hoops with BO n2doc Apr 2013 #4

+1 Liberalynn Apr 2013 #6

It's insulting, dismissive, and shows exactly whose side Obama is on. forestpath Apr 2013 #5

Recommend! KoKo Apr 2013 #7

Cheap shot by Sanders michigandem58 Apr 2013 #8

criticism from the Left is good all around Enrique Apr 2013 #11

Especially when you compare it to Ike. He wanted a top marginal rate of 100% to pay for WWII. Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2013 #22

Sanders is not far left. merrily Apr 2013 #13

+1 ... Sanders is just left. redqueen Apr 2013 #15

Obama is always being moderate and conciliatory...with Repubs magellan Apr 2013 #17

Not a cheap shot IMO. lark Apr 2013 #29

Sanders is "far left"? Then so am I. PA Democrat Apr 2013 #30

The table at DU has guests with varying positions fadedrose Apr 2013 #9

and the moderate they support is Hillary Clinton... nt fadedrose Apr 2013 #14

It is time for a moderate President? What do they think Obama is? merrily Apr 2013 #16

Dean's Iowa canvassers were Dean's worst enemies. MADem Apr 2013 #27

I watched it non-stop... fadedrose Apr 2013 #31

Hillary didn't screw Dean. That's just absurd. Dean screwed Dean, and he'd be the first to say so. MADem Apr 2013 #34

Dean lost to Kerry (2004) & Hillary lost to Obama (2008) fadedrose Apr 2013 #36

Yes, that's what I said. Saying Hillary 'screwed' Dean in 04 is just absurd. nt MADem Apr 2013 #40

"White House is hosting a dozen Republican Senators for dinner" When in the spot light... L0oniX Apr 2013 #10

I love Bernie and would cook his dinner anytime. xtraxritical Apr 2013 #18

Had Republicans on the ropes damnedifIknow Apr 2013 #19

It makes me laugh to see my teabagger/RW 'friends' bluethruandthru Apr 2013 #20

Obama systematically keeps real Democrats, liberal or progressive JDPriestly Apr 2013 #21

^^ Post of the day. Thank you ^^ Myrina Apr 2013 #23

When Obama spoke at Leon Panetta's Farewell Reception... fadedrose Apr 2013 #32

Who does "her" refer to? Hillary? or Panetta? JDPriestly Apr 2013 #33

Too hard to say when I don't know what you mean any more than you know what I meant ;) fadedrose Apr 2013 #38

Thanks. I understand now. JDPriestly Apr 2013 #39

Reach out? DeSwiss Apr 2013 #25

k&r for Bernie Sanders. n/t Laelth Apr 2013 #26

I'm really sick of Obama trying to reach out to the other side. Initech Apr 2013 #35

Really? Obama left out the Professional Left? Rex Apr 2013 #37