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riderinthestorm

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49. This issue has been beat to death... the burqa is NOT religious, it's cultural

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 09:08 PM

Feb 2012

I'll give it one more go before I'm done. This garment is a misogynistic piece designed to erase women from society. It is NOT religious - it's cultural. It is NOT a part of any religious text and certainly not covered under the First Amendment as numerous court cases have proven. For everything from drivers licenses, TSA searches, to going into a bank, removal of the mask is required because by law it's recognized as not religious. This isn't arbitrary corporate policy. Besides, this garment is destructive to women and their equality in our society. I for one, would love to see it banned but that's my opinion. US law backs me up in other areas....

(I'm probably speaking to the wall here but thought I'd give it one more shot at trying to educate..... dammit)

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Veiled Muslim woman threatens suit against Chevron for gas denial [View all] The Straight Story Feb 2012 OP

LaFleur Mauvette Mohammed already showed her face in her booking photo controversy, msanthrope Feb 2012 #1

So, possibly she didn't want to take off her veil and reveal bruises on her face... Quantess Feb 2012 #11

Um, she was the one accused of abuse...she wasn't the victim. nt msanthrope Feb 2012 #15

Does the 'niqab' Fla_Democrat Feb 2012 #24

A gas station attendant isn't a police officer. baldguy Feb 2012 #32

What if it is a uniformly enforced security policy that no one with an obsecured face is allowed in ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2012 #35

How does it enhance "security"? It doesn't. baldguy Feb 2012 #38

It is so the security cameras can get pictures of your face in case you are there to do damage ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2012 #66

It sounds like it is, because of drive-offs and other theft obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #45

Sorry bub but for most retail outlets its a security issue, and applied to anyone with a mask. nt riderinthestorm Feb 2012 #36

It's not a "mask". It's a veil - which she is prescribed by her faith to wear in public. baldguy Feb 2012 #42

It masks her face, it acts as a mask obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #47

And a gas station isn't a bank either. There's no more security required than to buy a loaf of bread baldguy Feb 2012 #51

Yes, they do obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #54

+10000. nt riderinthestorm Feb 2012 #56

That's the same excuse they use to pull over blacks in the lily-white suburbs. baldguy Feb 2012 #58

This issue has been beat to death... the burqa is NOT religious, it's cultural riderinthestorm Feb 2012 #49

Are you really comfortable allowing a corporation to determine baldguy Feb 2012 #52

This isn't religious. You can say it over and over but that doesn't make it so riderinthestorm Feb 2012 #55

You don't get to choose what is & isn't religious for another person. Sorry, you just don't. baldguy Feb 2012 #59

We can and do. FGM went through the same wringer riderinthestorm Feb 2012 #61

You seem to think women only wear the veil only because baldguy Feb 2012 #64

Nope. No way do I think that. And I've already said I lived in a community FULL of women in burqas riderinthestorm Feb 2012 #68

This message was self-deleted by its author baldguy Feb 2012 #33

Makes sense mactime Feb 2012 #2

"When in Rome" .... MH1 Feb 2012 #3

Yes, we should all be running around bucket naked let the natives did no? uponit7771 Feb 2012 #6

who said that? kind of a stretch going from wearing a mask to running around naked, doncha think? crazyjoe Feb 2012 #10

"But the European settlers killed off the natives, now it's their rules" Zalatix Feb 2012 #62

Exactly. hifiguy Feb 2012 #8

+1 Blue_Tires Feb 2012 #12

I have a problem with face-covering veils myself. Quantess Feb 2012 #13

I agree obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #48

LMFAO.. so you can't tell the difference between someone SomethingFishy Feb 2012 #14

We should not be accepting of all people and all customs. That's shortsighted. msanthrope Feb 2012 #16

A burka being one of them? SomethingFishy Feb 2012 #18

DUers have already exhausted this topic, and there is no consensus among progressives. Quantess Feb 2012 #19

Don't think there is an oppression of women issue here, it security policy ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2012 #34

Chevron isn't required to make an exception in their security policy for her customs. msanthrope Feb 2012 #20

I have been told it is anyone with an obsecured face, including full motorcycle helmets ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2012 #26

This message was self-deleted by its author Bunny Feb 2012 #44

Yes I am in order to head off the comment SomethingFishy Feb 2012 #71

This message was self-deleted by its author Bunny Feb 2012 #75

Yes, a burka being one of them obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #50

No I don't which was the point in my mentioning stoning.. SomethingFishy Feb 2012 #72

oh the irony... ProdigalJunkMail Feb 2012 #4

her personal choices, the world does not need to kowtow to her nt msongs Feb 2012 #5

More than one attendant has freaked when I come in wearing a full face motorcycle helmet ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2012 #7

I wonder what kind of "compensation" she's looking for? I hope like hell they don't pay her off. crazyjoe Feb 2012 #9

No, there's no bigotry against Muslims in this country, none at all. MadHound Feb 2012 #17

If its only against veiled Muslim women, you are right. If its for anyone with an obscured face ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2012 #23

Do you know whether it is uniformly enforced at this station? MadHound Feb 2012 #25

No clue about that particular station. It is pretty much standard in SoCal to uncover your face ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2012 #27

Not standard procedure if you're here in the Midwest MadHound Feb 2012 #29

I may try that the next time I ride though the MidWest because it sure is not that way here ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2012 #37

Don't try it in Cook, Dupage or Kane County IL Professor! nt riderinthestorm Feb 2012 #41

Madhound, I spent 25 years in Wheaton IL, deep in the heart of the Midwest and fundyland to boot riderinthestorm Feb 2012 #40

Well, that doesn't surprise me in the fundy parts of the region MadHound Feb 2012 #43

Well, since the Christian groups are actually the ones in Somalia, the Sudan riderinthestorm Feb 2012 #46

Ya know Yo_Mama Feb 2012 #60

I was asked to take my helmet off in both Columbia and Springfield a couple of years back ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2012 #67

Yes, it would be obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #77

It's a security measure not religious discrimination Yo_Mama Feb 2012 #28

Perhaps at the stores where you live, MadHound Feb 2012 #30

In Florida it is definitely normally done. Yo_Mama Feb 2012 #39

They've been doing it at banks in my area for 15 years obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #53

Ok, why would it be 'degrading' to show one's face? MH1 Feb 2012 #65

It's degrading to have cultural rules that make her hide her face obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #69

would it still be degrading if she wanted to wear them rather then required? Bodhi BloodWave Feb 2012 #70

IMHO, then Norway as a society has to have a conversation and a vote on what THEY want riderinthestorm Feb 2012 #73

Should we -- and Norway -- also allow FGM? obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #76

What does gas have to do with it? treestar Feb 2012 #21

Security policy if you go inside. ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2012 #22

Thanks! treestar Feb 2012 #74

re: Halloween cthulu2016 Feb 2012 #31

Really? LuckyTheDog Feb 2012 #57

the only reason it's a question is because there are so few people wearing veils or burqas. limpyhobbler Feb 2012 #63

Do many of the women actually cover their faces? Quantess Feb 2012 #78

Some of them do. You get used to it. It's odd at first until you realize that it doesn't matter. limpyhobbler Feb 2012 #79