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calimary

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31. TOTALLY!!!! They are critically important, and considering the nature of them,
Wed Apr 10, 2013, 03:27 PM
Apr 2013

it is no exaggeration or hysterical hyperbole to say that it's a matter of life and death. 'Cause it IS.

Heck, I'd go so far as to offer further inducements NOT to sell a gun across the backyard fence or something - to a friend, neighbor, somebody you presumably know. Or even to lend it to them. If THEY turn around and do something murderous with it - it should trace back to YOU, and YOU should share in the liability and the criminality.

I like deterrents. I like 'em a LOT. It's part of a multi-pronged approach that we do need to get something effective done about this problem. This is a START. There should be forbiddings - and there should be motivationals. Imagine: how many FEWER straw sales or gun exchanges might there be if the unsuspecting neighbor thinks nothing of selling or lending a gun to one of the dudes from elsewhere in the neighborhood - and then finds himself/herself facing some pretty severe penalties? There would be a dampening effect. Absolutely.

And, again, it might be mild or even temporary. But just imagine - maybe instead of 20 kids getting mowed down by a young nutcase who stole his mom's mass-murder machine and accessories - it might be 12 kids. Or ten. Or, hell, even three to five. THAT MANY FEWER parents left with gaping holes in their hearts for the rest of their lives. THAT MANY FEWER burials of those little coffins. THAT MANY FEWER families in the worst imaginable anguish - FOR LIFE.

Isn't it worth it? Isn't it a worthwhile quest - to try to slow the madness down or put obstacles in its path, so there will be fewer victims and less collateral damage?

Hey, let's make it a right-to-life issue, 'eh?

Or how 'bout - WHY do your Second Amendment rights trump MY First Amendment right - to life and all else? WHY do your Second Amendment rights to own mow-down machines and massacre machines and weapons of mass destruction outweigh MY right to life and safety and the freedom from being mowed down by some civilian with access to his/her own hand-held WMDs and all the ammo clips they can eat? Why does their Second Amendment right to suppress any discussion, any research on gun violence, any studies on statistics of violent crime and gun usage override MY First Amendment right to free speech? We can't even TALK about this in the Senate because of your Second Amendment right to silence us??? EXCUSE ME?????

I think we ought to start putting it that way. And we ought to get creative about it. This is a multi-pronged problem that demands a multi-pronged approach. It needs to be confronted in MANY MANY MANY MANY MANY MANY MANY MANY MANY different ways. Both pushing in the direction we want, and pulling in the direction we want. We MUST start doing that. The opposition has done that, for years, going after protecting their rights to their "Second Amendment remedies" in legions of ways and strategies and approaches. They come at it from all angles. Inside and outside. Left and right. Up and down. Upside down, backwards, inside-out, sideways, and zig-zagged. Top and bottom, and all angles in between. We have to do that, too. We haven't been. We've been kind of monotone and monolithic. Going after only one thing. One single campaign at a time. We have to think of ALL THINGS. ALL WAYS. ALL APPROACHES! And at the same time!

My sparring teacher at the local karate school encouraged us all to "keep 'em busy." He liked the constant barrage of jabbing. Jab! Jab! Jab! Just keep jabbing. Keep coming at 'em. Keep 'em busy. He told of one tournament in which one of the two sparring opponents had a broken arm. All he could do was just keep jabbing and jabbing and jabbing with the one good arm. And he wound up winning. NEVER let up, NEVER let the opponent get a break, NEVER let 'em catch their breath. Jabs kept coming from all sides, all directions, overhead, underneath, hooks, upper cuts, you name it. He wore the opponent down. The opponent couldn't keep up, and couldn't anticipate what was coming next - or from where. And it worked. Keep 'em busy!

Look what the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC) has done - there are laws in states that are coming from ALL directions, against voting rights, immigrants rights, women's rights, workplace rights, reproductive rights, and they're keeping us busy fighting on a thousand fronts - so many it's hard to keep track and once you think you've got it on one issue, you have but to turn around and there are 13 or 14 other cancers metastasizing all around you, in areas where it never even occurred to you to be on guard.

WE NEED TO DO THAT!!!!! Keep THEM busy for a change, with all these confrontations coming at them from every direction at all times. Keep 'em busy. Never EVER let up. Never give up. Keep 'em busy.

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Proud to kick and recommend this *EXTREMELY* well written post. IdaBriggs Apr 2013 #1
Thank you, IdaBriggs! calimary Apr 2013 #2
If we follow your analogy... Bay Boy Apr 2013 #3
Oh we've already done that. Tried it. It only worked for the hour or so the speed trap was there. calimary Apr 2013 #7
What YOU need are speed bumps robbob Apr 2013 #39
Cars require every driver to have a license Sheepshank Apr 2013 #17
Couldn't have said it better and... TreasonousBastard Apr 2013 #4
This is what gun control advocates... Bay Boy Apr 2013 #5
Well, if their side can do it, I think OUR side should do it too. calimary Apr 2013 #10
I'm just saying this is why you shouldn't be too shocked Bay Boy Apr 2013 #25
Yep, you're absolutely correct. And that does NOT mean we should EVER back down. calimary Apr 2013 #49
Off to greatest with you! nt raccoon Apr 2013 #6
Thank you, raccoon! calimary Apr 2013 #8
Speed Bumps or Chicanes One_Life_To_Give Apr 2013 #9
We have those as well! Speed bumps for sure. calimary Apr 2013 #14
Your bumps are too small One_Life_To_Give Apr 2013 #18
Yeah, that is true, too. But those are all we're allowed. calimary Apr 2013 #22
So laws up to but not including bans will not work? hack89 Apr 2013 #11
Not at all. calimary Apr 2013 #19
I agree - that is why universal background checks are so important. nt hack89 Apr 2013 #28
TOTALLY!!!! They are critically important, and considering the nature of them, calimary Apr 2013 #31
I think the OP is addressing the hyperbole that Dash87 Apr 2013 #41
The less AR-15s and high capacity mags out there, the better. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2013 #12
The present number in the hands of the public must not represent a threat to public safety hack89 Apr 2013 #15
I'm sure the officials and families in Connecticut were certain the law of averages was on calimary Apr 2013 #32
Would you make their possession illegal? hack89 Apr 2013 #33
Well, if calimary was king, I'd say yes. calimary Apr 2013 #40
If people answered this one honestly... Bay Boy Apr 2013 #51
Well, I for one would NOT shed tears if the gun manufacturing industry lost some income. calimary Apr 2013 #54
This actually works pretty well in Vietnam Paul E Ester Apr 2013 #13
That's funny n/t Bay Boy Apr 2013 #55
kick! napkinz Apr 2013 #16
They call such intersections TRAFFIC CIRCLES...very popular HereSince1628 Apr 2013 #20
The solution where I live are speed bumps. The ones designed to really make them slow down. freshwest Apr 2013 #21
Agreed. I just wish we could have those on our street. calimary Apr 2013 #23
My neighborhood kept insisting until it was done. It doesn't always take a death to do so. freshwest Apr 2013 #27
That's what finally happened for us, and how we got those stop signs on our street. calimary Apr 2013 #57
All very true. But I think the speed bumps would help your community since they run the stop signs. freshwest Apr 2013 #58
I know the speed bumps you're describing - there are some, shall we say, ruthless ones. calimary Apr 2013 #59
I know... Alternatively, how about a sign saying they're being filmed at the Stop sign? Install freshwest Apr 2013 #60
And Emergency services hate them. /nt TheMadMonk Apr 2013 #62
Only cops should be driving on streets. Dr. Strange Apr 2013 #24
yes, but they routinely ignore things like 'coming to a complete stop'. HereSince1628 Apr 2013 #26
We had a state cop living up the street years ago IDemo Apr 2013 #29
Limit vehicle speeds nationoflaws Apr 2013 #30
You win! Zoeisright Apr 2013 #37
I'm not arguing with some measures of gun control nationoflaws Apr 2013 #42
Must be a new definition of "fun" that ain't in my dictionary yet. mac56 Apr 2013 #45
Fun for me includes playing Devil's advocate to make sure an argument is sound. nationoflaws Apr 2013 #48
You must be a stone cold blast at parties. mac56 Apr 2013 #50
I was referring to the OP's street as a reference. I don't know where you live... nationoflaws Apr 2013 #52
Um, Calimary IS the OP. So I DID answer your question. mac56 Apr 2013 #53
Nation O' Flaws? mac56 Apr 2013 #38
So we need laws against owning cars? Or just laws to punish those who misuse them? The Straight Story Apr 2013 #34
There are "cars" you can't own: tanks; there should be "guns" you can't own: ARs & 10+bullet mags. SunSeeker Apr 2013 #36
You can own a tank nationoflaws Apr 2013 #43
I hope you're enjoying your pizza. nt SunSeeker Apr 2013 #64
Tell me what you think an AR does that is different from other guns (nt) The Straight Story Apr 2013 #47
A 22 revolver can't blast 26 people to pieces in a few minutes like an AR can. SunSeeker Apr 2013 #63
We regulate speeding, drunk driving, etc. even though people often speed or drive drunk without onenote Apr 2013 #46
K&R abelenkpe Apr 2013 #35
I once lived on a block where there were no street signs of any kind. Cleita Apr 2013 #44
Excellent post. calimary Apr 2013 #61
Get rid of stop signs because law breakers will go through them anyway. Kablooie Apr 2013 #56
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