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hfojvt

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82. what is a sociopath, though?
Wed Apr 10, 2013, 03:42 PM
Apr 2013

Who are you talking about here?

Let me list some names.

Dr. Cornel West
Al Sharpton
Michael Moore
Andrea Dworkin

Anybody who stands up for a cause or takes a side on an issue will have supporters and will have detractors.

The question is - why can't we have a civil debate?

First, even when these people are alive, it seems like some people cannot oppose them without calling them extreme names.

Let me try for an example on DU. Here is my classic "Response to Governor Jindal" http://journals.democraticunderground.com/hfojvt/101

Yet the main response of DU was to start a whole bunch of threads about Piyush, and then a minor flame war erupted about whether it was proper to call him Piyush.

When somebody advocates for some issue or gives a speech if out main response is to call hateful names, then to a neutral or wavering observer it looks like - our side has no class, and our side apparently does NOT have the truth on their side since they are not fighting with the truth, they are only fighting with hate.

Keep in mind, this is only an ideal. Like Cesar Chavez who said "I am a violent man who is trying to be nonviolent" a person needs to keep reminding themselves of their ideal.

Like I said, it is one thing to speak ill of the dead and say "their policies were not good for this country or this world or this planet" and another to just say, even though it is so much easier and requires much less research, "they were a fugging a-hole".

Again, ideally we should be (which is not to say that we ARE)

fighting lies with truth
fighting hate with love
fighting evil with good

Otherwise you are just making an "ends justify the means" argument, that "since I am a good person fighting against evil, I am allowed to do all sorts of evil things for my cause."

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#reagan #thatcher #cheneysoonenough La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2013 #1
! In_The_Wind Apr 2013 #68
#lifeisaboutchoices La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2013 #2
I officially love you Pri! And I usually hate hash tags, LOL !! bettyellen Apr 2013 #51
i do too (hate hashtags and heart you) La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2013 #58
Well fucking done! All the best to you and Lisa! bettyellen Apr 2013 #60
It really is that simple arcane1 Apr 2013 #3
as someone said on facebook yesterday, sometimes birth is the real tragedy La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2013 #4
Wise words indeed! arcane1 Apr 2013 #6
That's brilliant! idwiyo Apr 2013 #45
+1. she was a horrible woman. i only wish she could have suffered more while she was still aware HiPointDem Apr 2013 #5
its not very respectful to her victims to forget what they had to endure La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2013 #7
Is there a way to rec individual posts within a thread? ashling Apr 2013 #35
+1 idwiyo Apr 2013 #44
Very well said!! lunasun Apr 2013 #61
people need to STFU with this religious nutbaggery about her innocent "spirit". boilerbabe Apr 2013 #8
as i said on one of those threads: if someone can prove to me that her spirit exists La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2013 #10
I hope her spirit exists d_r Apr 2013 #14
her spirit would not care for what us lowly plebeians think about her La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2013 #15
no d_r Apr 2013 #18
lol. ok then La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2013 #19
One thing that has always truly amazed liberalhistorian Apr 2013 #81
I bet John Smith's (Labor leader) spirit is kicking Thatcher's spirit's butt right now BlueStreak Apr 2013 #56
I don't believe in Hell tavalon Apr 2013 #74
If her spirit exists there would be grounds for ashling Apr 2013 #36
Why reconsider? It's profoundly correct. tavalon Apr 2013 #73
If her vengeful spirit is roaming the Earth, I've got a suggestion: backscatter712 Apr 2013 #32
Amen. woo me with science Apr 2013 #9
yup. agreed La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2013 #11
K&R forestpath Apr 2013 #12
Could not have said it better! nomorenomore08 Apr 2013 #13
Nailed it. GoneOffShore Apr 2013 #16
+1000 PD Turk Apr 2013 #17
They have moxy tavalon Apr 2013 #75
Well said. Good point. JDPriestly Apr 2013 #20
Yep. There's that thing called, "legacy". closeupready Apr 2013 #21
also commonsense 101 La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2013 #22
Damn straight. EOTE Apr 2013 #23
also it's really disrespectful to the victims of these people La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2013 #24
K&R Jamastiene Apr 2013 #25
Reminds me what I posted here about Jerry Falwell rocktivity Apr 2013 #26
That's how I've always looked at it. --nt CrispyQ Apr 2013 #27
To her credit and/or because of it... ReRe Apr 2013 #28
My father died alone and no one found him for months tavalon Apr 2013 #77
Agree... ReRe Apr 2013 #85
Thank you for not putting in the almost obligatory tavalon Apr 2013 #87
My "Dad" was no prize either... n/t ReRe Apr 2013 #88
I think "Don't speak ill of the dead" caseymoz Apr 2013 #29
Well said Liberalynn Apr 2013 #30
K & effing R n/t malaise Apr 2013 #31
Amen. n/t maddezmom Apr 2013 #33
Excellent point! Spot on. smirkymonkey Apr 2013 #34
Stating that she did horrible things during her life is only expressing an opinion and I find hedgehog Apr 2013 #37
Are people really saying she deserved to die of/with dementia? Arugula Latte Apr 2013 #79
I haven't seen anyone say that she deserved to die with dementia, but hedgehog Apr 2013 #80
spot on. mulsh Apr 2013 #38
Thatcher was much like Reagan, from a modest background a modest education xtraxritical Apr 2013 #39
Truer words were never spoken. n/t Raven Apr 2013 #40
Amen, Pri. Aristus Apr 2013 #41
any discussion on this subject must include mr romney--we dodged a bullet there.... dembotoz Apr 2013 #42
K&R I am with you. She didn't give a shit what us "plebs" thought about her, don't see a reason why idwiyo Apr 2013 #43
Yup...knr joeybee12 Apr 2013 #46
Well, I'm happy to have inspired this thread. Hissyspit Apr 2013 #47
Be proud libodem Apr 2013 #48
Rec #102 Bucky Apr 2013 #49
How Dare You Attack Maggie Thatcher! cer7711 Apr 2013 #50
I wonder what Roger Waters is saying about her. Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #52
final cut sigmasix Apr 2013 #57
your statement has my unqualified support! Agony Apr 2013 #53
Let's spin that oldie but goodie: U2's cover of Maggie's farm rocktivity Apr 2013 #54
Thank you. Starry Messenger Apr 2013 #55
La Lioness Priyanka Diclotican Apr 2013 #59
It is one thing to attack a relative DonCoquixote Apr 2013 #62
K & R HCE SuiGeneris Apr 2013 #63
Why do we let sociopaths run our countries? Deep13 Apr 2013 #64
I hope she's burning in hell. Apophis Apr 2013 #65
Wigan Football (Soccer) Club are playing in the semi-final of the FA Cup this weekend. SwissTony Apr 2013 #66
K&R nt stevenleser Apr 2013 #67
Sociopath apologia is far more offensive than grave dancing. morningfog Apr 2013 #69
Unfortunately Chalco Apr 2013 #70
Fear of speaking ill of the dead is a symptom of fear that a god exists to punish us when we die. gtar100 Apr 2013 #71
Seems pretty straightforward to me tavalon Apr 2013 #72
Great common sense point, LLP. The ladies doth protest too much, methinks. nt Zorra Apr 2013 #76
Exactly. Don't support Wall St and you won't be remembered as a climate change denier. nt raouldukelives Apr 2013 #78
what is a sociopath, though? hfojvt Apr 2013 #82
I haven't been around here in a while skygazer Apr 2013 #83
... La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2013 #84
makes sense to me ! nt steve2470 Apr 2013 #86
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