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riderinthestorm

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61. We can and do. FGM went through the same wringer

Fri Feb 3, 2012, 09:52 PM

Feb 2012

So has wife beating, nakedness in the western public square, spousal rights in regards to custody and many, many more. Too many more to list.

I have no problem with the burqa getting the same scrutiny, conversation and legal ruling. I welcome that. It's a fact it's a cultural garment, not religious, and I'd revel in a conversation about it's misogyny and whether we condone that in our culture. It's a perfect symbol for feminists in the fight against the patriarchy and our entrenched "politically correct" notions (as we woefully MIS-understand them) of women and their place in a culture.

You've edited your post to include the anecdote about your Irish granny so I'll edit too.

This isn't about a lace doily on someone's head in church. This is about a daily full body shroud that is designed to erase women from society. I'll up you one and state up front that I'm an Irish citizen and know a thing or two about headcoverings.....

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Veiled Muslim woman threatens suit against Chevron for gas denial [View all] The Straight Story Feb 2012 OP

LaFleur Mauvette Mohammed already showed her face in her booking photo controversy, msanthrope Feb 2012 #1

So, possibly she didn't want to take off her veil and reveal bruises on her face... Quantess Feb 2012 #11

Um, she was the one accused of abuse...she wasn't the victim. nt msanthrope Feb 2012 #15

Does the 'niqab' Fla_Democrat Feb 2012 #24

A gas station attendant isn't a police officer. baldguy Feb 2012 #32

What if it is a uniformly enforced security policy that no one with an obsecured face is allowed in ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2012 #35

How does it enhance "security"? It doesn't. baldguy Feb 2012 #38

It is so the security cameras can get pictures of your face in case you are there to do damage ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2012 #66

It sounds like it is, because of drive-offs and other theft obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #45

Sorry bub but for most retail outlets its a security issue, and applied to anyone with a mask. nt riderinthestorm Feb 2012 #36

It's not a "mask". It's a veil - which she is prescribed by her faith to wear in public. baldguy Feb 2012 #42

It masks her face, it acts as a mask obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #47

And a gas station isn't a bank either. There's no more security required than to buy a loaf of bread baldguy Feb 2012 #51

Yes, they do obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #54

+10000. nt riderinthestorm Feb 2012 #56

That's the same excuse they use to pull over blacks in the lily-white suburbs. baldguy Feb 2012 #58

This issue has been beat to death... the burqa is NOT religious, it's cultural riderinthestorm Feb 2012 #49

Are you really comfortable allowing a corporation to determine baldguy Feb 2012 #52

This isn't religious. You can say it over and over but that doesn't make it so riderinthestorm Feb 2012 #55

You don't get to choose what is & isn't religious for another person. Sorry, you just don't. baldguy Feb 2012 #59

We can and do. FGM went through the same wringer riderinthestorm Feb 2012 #61

You seem to think women only wear the veil only because baldguy Feb 2012 #64

Nope. No way do I think that. And I've already said I lived in a community FULL of women in burqas riderinthestorm Feb 2012 #68

This message was self-deleted by its author baldguy Feb 2012 #33

Makes sense mactime Feb 2012 #2

"When in Rome" .... MH1 Feb 2012 #3

Yes, we should all be running around bucket naked let the natives did no? uponit7771 Feb 2012 #6

who said that? kind of a stretch going from wearing a mask to running around naked, doncha think? crazyjoe Feb 2012 #10

"But the European settlers killed off the natives, now it's their rules" Zalatix Feb 2012 #62

Exactly. hifiguy Feb 2012 #8

+1 Blue_Tires Feb 2012 #12

I have a problem with face-covering veils myself. Quantess Feb 2012 #13

I agree obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #48

LMFAO.. so you can't tell the difference between someone SomethingFishy Feb 2012 #14

We should not be accepting of all people and all customs. That's shortsighted. msanthrope Feb 2012 #16

A burka being one of them? SomethingFishy Feb 2012 #18

DUers have already exhausted this topic, and there is no consensus among progressives. Quantess Feb 2012 #19

Don't think there is an oppression of women issue here, it security policy ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2012 #34

Chevron isn't required to make an exception in their security policy for her customs. msanthrope Feb 2012 #20

I have been told it is anyone with an obsecured face, including full motorcycle helmets ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2012 #26

This message was self-deleted by its author Bunny Feb 2012 #44

Yes I am in order to head off the comment SomethingFishy Feb 2012 #71

This message was self-deleted by its author Bunny Feb 2012 #75

Yes, a burka being one of them obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #50

No I don't which was the point in my mentioning stoning.. SomethingFishy Feb 2012 #72

oh the irony... ProdigalJunkMail Feb 2012 #4

her personal choices, the world does not need to kowtow to her nt msongs Feb 2012 #5

More than one attendant has freaked when I come in wearing a full face motorcycle helmet ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2012 #7

I wonder what kind of "compensation" she's looking for? I hope like hell they don't pay her off. crazyjoe Feb 2012 #9

No, there's no bigotry against Muslims in this country, none at all. MadHound Feb 2012 #17

If its only against veiled Muslim women, you are right. If its for anyone with an obscured face ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2012 #23

Do you know whether it is uniformly enforced at this station? MadHound Feb 2012 #25

No clue about that particular station. It is pretty much standard in SoCal to uncover your face ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2012 #27

Not standard procedure if you're here in the Midwest MadHound Feb 2012 #29

I may try that the next time I ride though the MidWest because it sure is not that way here ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2012 #37

Don't try it in Cook, Dupage or Kane County IL Professor! nt riderinthestorm Feb 2012 #41

Madhound, I spent 25 years in Wheaton IL, deep in the heart of the Midwest and fundyland to boot riderinthestorm Feb 2012 #40

Well, that doesn't surprise me in the fundy parts of the region MadHound Feb 2012 #43

Well, since the Christian groups are actually the ones in Somalia, the Sudan riderinthestorm Feb 2012 #46

Ya know Yo_Mama Feb 2012 #60

I was asked to take my helmet off in both Columbia and Springfield a couple of years back ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2012 #67

Yes, it would be obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #77

It's a security measure not religious discrimination Yo_Mama Feb 2012 #28

Perhaps at the stores where you live, MadHound Feb 2012 #30

In Florida it is definitely normally done. Yo_Mama Feb 2012 #39

They've been doing it at banks in my area for 15 years obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #53

Ok, why would it be 'degrading' to show one's face? MH1 Feb 2012 #65

It's degrading to have cultural rules that make her hide her face obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #69

would it still be degrading if she wanted to wear them rather then required? Bodhi BloodWave Feb 2012 #70

IMHO, then Norway as a society has to have a conversation and a vote on what THEY want riderinthestorm Feb 2012 #73

Should we -- and Norway -- also allow FGM? obamanut2012 Feb 2012 #76

What does gas have to do with it? treestar Feb 2012 #21

Security policy if you go inside. ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2012 #22

Thanks! treestar Feb 2012 #74

re: Halloween cthulu2016 Feb 2012 #31

Really? LuckyTheDog Feb 2012 #57

the only reason it's a question is because there are so few people wearing veils or burqas. limpyhobbler Feb 2012 #63

Do many of the women actually cover their faces? Quantess Feb 2012 #78

Some of them do. You get used to it. It's odd at first until you realize that it doesn't matter. limpyhobbler Feb 2012 #79