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Armstead

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57. I respectfully disagree.

Thu Apr 11, 2013, 11:22 AM

Apr 2013

If what you say is true, why the hell doesn't he give a really serious offer?

Show America where he really stands and what he really wants. That would be a pretty good starting point.

The GOP is not likely to go along with much of anything Obama proposes at this point -- even if he were to abolish the IRS and propose a flat tax for everyone.

So what is the point of angering his supporters, and confusing fence-sitters with a SS ;plan he doesn't really want? Is that going to somehow get the GOP to support things they hate?

I doubt. Rather it seemed to me to be an act of political self-destruction and destruction of the Democratic Party by throwing out a winning issue and position that is at the core of what the Democratic party is supposed to support.

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As much as I like Obama, there's nothing I can say to defend him. [View all] pacalo Apr 2013 OP

You have stated this so very clearly... CaliforniaPeggy Apr 2013 #1

I know you like him, too, CalPeg. pacalo Apr 2013 #2

... CaliforniaPeggy Apr 2013 #5

You're the absolute best, CP. pacalo Apr 2013 #7

it's a betrayal shireen Apr 2013 #111

Dear Peggy, I am sorry to say that I am Raven Apr 2013 #121

I agree with Peggy LeftInTX Apr 2013 #3

I don't usually write OPs, but the discussion with my husband tonight pacalo Apr 2013 #4

I was left cold by Axelrod ashling Apr 2013 #8

The reverse mortgage ads are annoying, too. pacalo Apr 2013 #12

however, that works very well for childess persons...or Sheepshank Apr 2013 #54

Respectfully, that's incorrect. These companies know exactly who they are marketing to. Demo_Chris Apr 2013 #63

This is unfair at best haikugal Apr 2013 #77

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Thx for this detailed response.. haikugal Apr 2013 #94

Thanks. Don't bother I am going to delete it... Demo_Chris Apr 2013 #95

OK... haikugal Apr 2013 #96

Gee.. sendero Apr 2013 #127

Those reverse mortgages are insidious... awoke_in_2003 Apr 2013 #78

K&R hay rick Apr 2013 #6

I will NOT defend him and couldn't if I wanted to Triana Apr 2013 #9

He also owes the American people an explanation of why he is perpetuating the Republican lie sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #10

+1 Triana Apr 2013 #13

The real explanation is that he's really a republican. FiveGoodMen Apr 2013 #79

It looks like Obama Summer Hathaway Apr 2013 #11

Those are good points, Summer. pacalo Apr 2013 #16

There is a hand being played here Summer Hathaway Apr 2013 #18

To be fair, that is actually very likely. pacalo Apr 2013 #20

Once a popular Democrat includes SS as part of a budget negotiation Babel_17 Apr 2013 #66

SS had nothing to do with the deficit, why is he dragging it into these discussions? Why is he sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #22

I hope you sent Obama an email Summer Hathaway Apr 2013 #27

You didn't answer the other poster's question. Now I have a couple for you to ignore and be seen Bluenorthwest Apr 2013 #46

If you think that anyone here thought the Republicans would accept this then it is not they who are sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #58

"unacceptable to rethugs" defense cuts were the most recent poison pill..... amborin Apr 2013 #65

I hope that you telephoned the WH at 202-456-1111. AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #102

I respectfully disagree. Armstead Apr 2013 #57

exactly-- this offer to cut SS just seems to fuck over the Dems NoMoreWarNow Apr 2013 #68

yes, but to what end? NoMoreWarNow Apr 2013 #67

Forget chess, he's taking a sledgehammer to the third rail. lark Apr 2013 #76

Thank you. I babylonsister Apr 2013 #126

I would really rather he didn't play 256 dimensional chess with Social Security that way. Jamastiene Apr 2013 #135

Well, it's funny you should mention that, Jamastiene Summer Hathaway Apr 2013 #139

Throw Grandma from the train? stanchaz Apr 2013 #14

It's been rather curious Summer Hathaway Apr 2013 #21

the devoted lifelong Dems who have been protesting here carolinayellowdog Apr 2013 #32

There are 'long time Dems' Summer Hathaway Apr 2013 #34

What is truely amazing quakerboy Apr 2013 #39

You DO understand Summer Hathaway Apr 2013 #40

You do understand that offering up social security cuts quakerboy Apr 2013 #43

My thoughts, exactly. This should never have been Laurian Apr 2013 #44

Well said. Bluenorthwest Apr 2013 #47

Yeah, there's been a lot of that Summer Hathaway Apr 2013 #142

Do all the elders have an agenda? quakerboy Apr 2013 #143

I doubt that's the case... Isoldeblue Apr 2013 #134

Welcome to DU, Greta n/t Summer Hathaway Apr 2013 #141

It should be obvious Summer Hathaway Apr 2013 #140

i`ve been here since 2002 and i`m pissed off madrchsod Apr 2013 #137

Yes, we know what happens Summer Hathaway Apr 2013 #138

Well Said... supercats Apr 2013 #15

When was the social safety net cut? Summer Hathaway Apr 2013 #30

Wow, now there's wisdom! It has been offered, but do not complain until it is done!! Bluenorthwest Apr 2013 #48

He's acting like a person who has either been bought out or threatened. gtar100 Apr 2013 #17

I'd like to know, too. It doesn't make sense. pacalo Apr 2013 #19

He must have been bought out shortly after taking office because that is when SammyWinstonJack Apr 2013 #49

I've been assuming he knows they won't go along with it. Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #23

That's how I had been thinking, too. pacalo Apr 2013 #28

Thanks. Yeah, my reaction to that is; what??? I mean, doesn't something have to be done about Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #29

I agree 100%... pacalo Apr 2013 #33

Unless he and Boner agreed to this puppet show out on the golf course IDemo Apr 2013 #53

If it contains anything remotely resembling a tax increase, he can be pretty sure. Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #82

Pretty sure ≠ absolutely sure IDemo Apr 2013 #98

I'm in agreement. I'm not sold on the logic of it, at all. Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #103

K&R DeSwiss Apr 2013 #24

K&R! LittleBlue Apr 2013 #25

obama and his republican best friends are celebrating together nt msongs Apr 2013 #26

It's very hard not being cynical about life on earth right now olddots Apr 2013 #31

Thanks, olddots. pacalo Apr 2013 #37

On the other hand.we can look at the positives. jambo101 Apr 2013 #35

please, not the fucking list Skittles Apr 2013 #42

It just doesnt make sense. quakerboy Apr 2013 #36

I couldn't agree more. And I truly do not want Obama to fail. pacalo Apr 2013 #38

Agree 100%, Quakerboy. There are NO UPSIDES to mention even mild cuts of any kind Nay Apr 2013 #45

dunno, if they lose '14 they can 1) do as little as they want and 2) blame the people pushing things MisterP Apr 2013 #88

"they" would do that, win or lose quakerboy Apr 2013 #117

I imagine there's a big payoff for him dflprincess Apr 2013 #123

I dont believe thats all there is too this quakerboy Apr 2013 #124

"SS has nothing to do with the budget" says it all. IdaBriggs Apr 2013 #41

K & R !!! WillyT Apr 2013 #50

I don't like people who want to hurt the weak and vulnerable. So I don't like Obama. forestpath Apr 2013 #51

Sing it, sister! So much of what you state is how I feel Lifelong Protester Apr 2013 #52

I don't get why everyone on here's pissed Dpm12 Apr 2013 #55

Enjoy your stay. nt. OldDem2012 Apr 2013 #60

We're not as stupid as you'd like us to be. FiveGoodMen Apr 2013 #80

Cheap shots about steak dinners with Republicans don't advance your argument. yellowcanine Apr 2013 #56

The Obama-Hate is strong in this and other threads ranting about a budget PROPOSAL.... OldDem2012 Apr 2013 #61

so what was the point of this then? NoMoreWarNow Apr 2013 #69

No one knows what's going to happen. randome Apr 2013 #71

I agree the handwringing is kind of pointless and we should obviously contact our reps NoMoreWarNow Apr 2013 #73

It's called a wedge issue. The GOP Tea-Nazis will be forced to either defend their stance.... OldDem2012 Apr 2013 #83

+1 n/m Isoldeblue Apr 2013 #132

The bosses get together and make decisions about people's lives without consulting the people. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2013 #59

Hear, hear, Tierra_Y_Libertad! The wealthy decide, in secret, what the poorer citizens 'need' and we Mnemosyne Apr 2013 #87

"a big misstep": Agreed, the proposal looks bad and goes back on promises Babel_17 Apr 2013 #62

I can't defend him, he's not defending you or I, or those in need. we can do it Apr 2013 #64

Really? A blanket 'he doesn't care' statement? randome Apr 2013 #70

The "defense of Obama" reduces to this: malthaussen Apr 2013 #72

+1 Liberalynn Apr 2013 #86

Obama should listen to the Bush Admin: Deficits don't matter Blaukraut Apr 2013 #74

Add this to the mix: Myrina Apr 2013 #75

We were sold of bill of goods that was not delivered. Romney meant certain & swift disaster, Obama mother earth Apr 2013 #81

He met with 15 Top Bankers for Breakfast this Morning..... KoKo Apr 2013 #84

I'll say it, I was wrong LiberalLovinLug Apr 2013 #85

Gads. snort Apr 2013 #89

The Democratic Party will live to regret this emsimon33 Apr 2013 #90

not sure how much I like cvoogt Apr 2013 #91

I always thought Obama was overrated. Beacool Apr 2013 #92

So Bill's a better bullshitter. Point made. marmar Apr 2013 #122

Still grinding that old axe BeyondGeography Apr 2013 #130

I'm struggling too, but I always knew Obama wasn't as liberal as me.. mountain grammy Apr 2013 #97

yup...he`s a moderate republican. madrchsod Apr 2013 #136

Agree, but these are dangerous times we live in! That said... mountain grammy Apr 2013 #145

You are right, I like him but this is indefensible nt Progressive dog Apr 2013 #99

I stopped liking him and defending him Carolina Apr 2013 #100

"An empty suit with no substance or real character" FiveGoodMen Apr 2013 #109

God, how simplistic can you be? randome Apr 2013 #112

I appreciate your efforts but why bother? Number23 Apr 2013 #113

I know. I think the chained CPI proposal was a mistake. We should hold his feet to the fire. randome Apr 2013 #129

+1 n/m Isoldeblue Apr 2013 #146

The guy who took single-payer off the table and caved on public option? FiveGoodMen Apr 2013 #114

Progress has been made. Not nearly enough, of course. randome Apr 2013 #128

Leaving torture camps open might have been a clue just1voice Apr 2013 #101

He's a tool for the 1%. CrispyQ Apr 2013 #104

You and I are on the same page. stevenleser Apr 2013 #105

Nothing left to like about this president. Fearless Apr 2013 #106

You are the company you keep and there we have it. glinda Apr 2013 #107

There's nothing I WILL say to defend Obama. MichiganVote Apr 2013 #108

The problem with playing Chicken with SS Jackpine Radical Apr 2013 #110

What happens if the GOP says 'yes'! Rex Apr 2013 #115

Well stated, pacalo. I think you speak for many of us. gateley Apr 2013 #116

I'm sorry to say; I agree sarge43 Apr 2013 #118

He clearly doesn't give a shit jsr Apr 2013 #119

Hi pacalo -- it is great to "see" you again Samantha Apr 2013 #120

K&R Jamastiene Apr 2013 #125

The lame, backroom-dealing is the saddest aspect of his presidency BeyondGeography Apr 2013 #131

It ain't over til Isoldeblue Apr 2013 #133

Axelrod no longer works for Obama. He works for MSNBC: ucrdem Apr 2013 #144