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83. It's called a wedge issue. The GOP Tea-Nazis will be forced to either defend their stance....

Thu Apr 11, 2013, 02:01 PM

Apr 2013

....on destroying SS and other earned benefits to their election detriment in 2014, or they will be forced to to try to attack the President in an attempt to show support for their senior constituents (that's already happening on TV). The strategy by the President is to pull GOP poor and middle-class GOP retires and soon-to-be retirees away from GOP Tea-Nazi candidates.

If they pick option one, they're toast in the 2014 elections. Their senior constituents will back away from GOP Tea-Nazi candidates by voting for other candidates who support not cutting earned benefit programs, or they will just stay home.

If they pick the second option, they're toast anyway because their attempts to cut and/or destroy earned benefits has been going on since FDR signed those programs into law. It is, and will be clearly seen as political posturing by the right.

Just my opinion, but all of this discussion about forming some kind of third party is total nonsense. The vast majority of Democrats need to understand that voting for third-party candidates will lead to splitting the Democratic Party vote and handing victory to the GOP Tea-Nazis.

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As much as I like Obama, there's nothing I can say to defend him. [View all] pacalo Apr 2013 OP

You have stated this so very clearly... CaliforniaPeggy Apr 2013 #1

I know you like him, too, CalPeg. pacalo Apr 2013 #2

... CaliforniaPeggy Apr 2013 #5

You're the absolute best, CP. pacalo Apr 2013 #7

it's a betrayal shireen Apr 2013 #111

Dear Peggy, I am sorry to say that I am Raven Apr 2013 #121

I agree with Peggy LeftInTX Apr 2013 #3

I don't usually write OPs, but the discussion with my husband tonight pacalo Apr 2013 #4

I was left cold by Axelrod ashling Apr 2013 #8

The reverse mortgage ads are annoying, too. pacalo Apr 2013 #12

however, that works very well for childess persons...or Sheepshank Apr 2013 #54

Respectfully, that's incorrect. These companies know exactly who they are marketing to. Demo_Chris Apr 2013 #63

This is unfair at best haikugal Apr 2013 #77

This message was self-deleted by its author Demo_Chris Apr 2013 #93

Thx for this detailed response.. haikugal Apr 2013 #94

Thanks. Don't bother I am going to delete it... Demo_Chris Apr 2013 #95

OK... haikugal Apr 2013 #96

Gee.. sendero Apr 2013 #127

Those reverse mortgages are insidious... awoke_in_2003 Apr 2013 #78

K&R hay rick Apr 2013 #6

I will NOT defend him and couldn't if I wanted to Triana Apr 2013 #9

He also owes the American people an explanation of why he is perpetuating the Republican lie sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #10

+1 Triana Apr 2013 #13

The real explanation is that he's really a republican. FiveGoodMen Apr 2013 #79

It looks like Obama Summer Hathaway Apr 2013 #11

Those are good points, Summer. pacalo Apr 2013 #16

There is a hand being played here Summer Hathaway Apr 2013 #18

To be fair, that is actually very likely. pacalo Apr 2013 #20

Once a popular Democrat includes SS as part of a budget negotiation Babel_17 Apr 2013 #66

SS had nothing to do with the deficit, why is he dragging it into these discussions? Why is he sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #22

I hope you sent Obama an email Summer Hathaway Apr 2013 #27

You didn't answer the other poster's question. Now I have a couple for you to ignore and be seen Bluenorthwest Apr 2013 #46

If you think that anyone here thought the Republicans would accept this then it is not they who are sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #58

"unacceptable to rethugs" defense cuts were the most recent poison pill..... amborin Apr 2013 #65

I hope that you telephoned the WH at 202-456-1111. AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #102

I respectfully disagree. Armstead Apr 2013 #57

exactly-- this offer to cut SS just seems to fuck over the Dems NoMoreWarNow Apr 2013 #68

yes, but to what end? NoMoreWarNow Apr 2013 #67

Forget chess, he's taking a sledgehammer to the third rail. lark Apr 2013 #76

Thank you. I babylonsister Apr 2013 #126

I would really rather he didn't play 256 dimensional chess with Social Security that way. Jamastiene Apr 2013 #135

Well, it's funny you should mention that, Jamastiene Summer Hathaway Apr 2013 #139

Throw Grandma from the train? stanchaz Apr 2013 #14

It's been rather curious Summer Hathaway Apr 2013 #21

the devoted lifelong Dems who have been protesting here carolinayellowdog Apr 2013 #32

There are 'long time Dems' Summer Hathaway Apr 2013 #34

What is truely amazing quakerboy Apr 2013 #39

You DO understand Summer Hathaway Apr 2013 #40

You do understand that offering up social security cuts quakerboy Apr 2013 #43

My thoughts, exactly. This should never have been Laurian Apr 2013 #44

Well said. Bluenorthwest Apr 2013 #47

Yeah, there's been a lot of that Summer Hathaway Apr 2013 #142

Do all the elders have an agenda? quakerboy Apr 2013 #143

I doubt that's the case... Isoldeblue Apr 2013 #134

Welcome to DU, Greta n/t Summer Hathaway Apr 2013 #141

It should be obvious Summer Hathaway Apr 2013 #140

i`ve been here since 2002 and i`m pissed off madrchsod Apr 2013 #137

Yes, we know what happens Summer Hathaway Apr 2013 #138

Well Said... supercats Apr 2013 #15

When was the social safety net cut? Summer Hathaway Apr 2013 #30

Wow, now there's wisdom! It has been offered, but do not complain until it is done!! Bluenorthwest Apr 2013 #48

He's acting like a person who has either been bought out or threatened. gtar100 Apr 2013 #17

I'd like to know, too. It doesn't make sense. pacalo Apr 2013 #19

He must have been bought out shortly after taking office because that is when SammyWinstonJack Apr 2013 #49

I've been assuming he knows they won't go along with it. Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #23

That's how I had been thinking, too. pacalo Apr 2013 #28

Thanks. Yeah, my reaction to that is; what??? I mean, doesn't something have to be done about Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #29

I agree 100%... pacalo Apr 2013 #33

Unless he and Boner agreed to this puppet show out on the golf course IDemo Apr 2013 #53

If it contains anything remotely resembling a tax increase, he can be pretty sure. Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #82

Pretty sure ≠ absolutely sure IDemo Apr 2013 #98

I'm in agreement. I'm not sold on the logic of it, at all. Warren DeMontague Apr 2013 #103

K&R DeSwiss Apr 2013 #24

K&R! LittleBlue Apr 2013 #25

obama and his republican best friends are celebrating together nt msongs Apr 2013 #26

It's very hard not being cynical about life on earth right now olddots Apr 2013 #31

Thanks, olddots. pacalo Apr 2013 #37

On the other hand.we can look at the positives. jambo101 Apr 2013 #35

please, not the fucking list Skittles Apr 2013 #42

It just doesnt make sense. quakerboy Apr 2013 #36

I couldn't agree more. And I truly do not want Obama to fail. pacalo Apr 2013 #38

Agree 100%, Quakerboy. There are NO UPSIDES to mention even mild cuts of any kind Nay Apr 2013 #45

dunno, if they lose '14 they can 1) do as little as they want and 2) blame the people pushing things MisterP Apr 2013 #88

"they" would do that, win or lose quakerboy Apr 2013 #117

I imagine there's a big payoff for him dflprincess Apr 2013 #123

I dont believe thats all there is too this quakerboy Apr 2013 #124

"SS has nothing to do with the budget" says it all. IdaBriggs Apr 2013 #41

K & R !!! WillyT Apr 2013 #50

I don't like people who want to hurt the weak and vulnerable. So I don't like Obama. forestpath Apr 2013 #51

Sing it, sister! So much of what you state is how I feel Lifelong Protester Apr 2013 #52

I don't get why everyone on here's pissed Dpm12 Apr 2013 #55

Enjoy your stay. nt. OldDem2012 Apr 2013 #60

We're not as stupid as you'd like us to be. FiveGoodMen Apr 2013 #80

Cheap shots about steak dinners with Republicans don't advance your argument. yellowcanine Apr 2013 #56

The Obama-Hate is strong in this and other threads ranting about a budget PROPOSAL.... OldDem2012 Apr 2013 #61

so what was the point of this then? NoMoreWarNow Apr 2013 #69

No one knows what's going to happen. randome Apr 2013 #71

I agree the handwringing is kind of pointless and we should obviously contact our reps NoMoreWarNow Apr 2013 #73

It's called a wedge issue. The GOP Tea-Nazis will be forced to either defend their stance.... OldDem2012 Apr 2013 #83

+1 n/m Isoldeblue Apr 2013 #132

The bosses get together and make decisions about people's lives without consulting the people. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2013 #59

Hear, hear, Tierra_Y_Libertad! The wealthy decide, in secret, what the poorer citizens 'need' and we Mnemosyne Apr 2013 #87

"a big misstep": Agreed, the proposal looks bad and goes back on promises Babel_17 Apr 2013 #62

I can't defend him, he's not defending you or I, or those in need. we can do it Apr 2013 #64

Really? A blanket 'he doesn't care' statement? randome Apr 2013 #70

The "defense of Obama" reduces to this: malthaussen Apr 2013 #72

+1 Liberalynn Apr 2013 #86

Obama should listen to the Bush Admin: Deficits don't matter Blaukraut Apr 2013 #74

Add this to the mix: Myrina Apr 2013 #75

We were sold of bill of goods that was not delivered. Romney meant certain & swift disaster, Obama mother earth Apr 2013 #81

He met with 15 Top Bankers for Breakfast this Morning..... KoKo Apr 2013 #84

I'll say it, I was wrong LiberalLovinLug Apr 2013 #85

Gads. snort Apr 2013 #89

The Democratic Party will live to regret this emsimon33 Apr 2013 #90

not sure how much I like cvoogt Apr 2013 #91

I always thought Obama was overrated. Beacool Apr 2013 #92

So Bill's a better bullshitter. Point made. marmar Apr 2013 #122

Still grinding that old axe BeyondGeography Apr 2013 #130

I'm struggling too, but I always knew Obama wasn't as liberal as me.. mountain grammy Apr 2013 #97

yup...he`s a moderate republican. madrchsod Apr 2013 #136

Agree, but these are dangerous times we live in! That said... mountain grammy Apr 2013 #145

You are right, I like him but this is indefensible nt Progressive dog Apr 2013 #99

I stopped liking him and defending him Carolina Apr 2013 #100

"An empty suit with no substance or real character" FiveGoodMen Apr 2013 #109

God, how simplistic can you be? randome Apr 2013 #112

I appreciate your efforts but why bother? Number23 Apr 2013 #113

I know. I think the chained CPI proposal was a mistake. We should hold his feet to the fire. randome Apr 2013 #129

+1 n/m Isoldeblue Apr 2013 #146

The guy who took single-payer off the table and caved on public option? FiveGoodMen Apr 2013 #114

Progress has been made. Not nearly enough, of course. randome Apr 2013 #128

Leaving torture camps open might have been a clue just1voice Apr 2013 #101

He's a tool for the 1%. CrispyQ Apr 2013 #104

You and I are on the same page. stevenleser Apr 2013 #105

Nothing left to like about this president. Fearless Apr 2013 #106

You are the company you keep and there we have it. glinda Apr 2013 #107

There's nothing I WILL say to defend Obama. MichiganVote Apr 2013 #108

The problem with playing Chicken with SS Jackpine Radical Apr 2013 #110

What happens if the GOP says 'yes'! Rex Apr 2013 #115

Well stated, pacalo. I think you speak for many of us. gateley Apr 2013 #116

I'm sorry to say; I agree sarge43 Apr 2013 #118

He clearly doesn't give a shit jsr Apr 2013 #119

Hi pacalo -- it is great to "see" you again Samantha Apr 2013 #120

K&R Jamastiene Apr 2013 #125

The lame, backroom-dealing is the saddest aspect of his presidency BeyondGeography Apr 2013 #131

It ain't over til Isoldeblue Apr 2013 #133

Axelrod no longer works for Obama. He works for MSNBC: ucrdem Apr 2013 #144