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127. Correct about the Repubs

Thu Apr 11, 2013, 06:52 PM

Apr 2013

So, put yourself in the shoes of the people behind the scenes who are driving the agenda of cutting and/or privatizing Social Security. Bush certainly tried to do it, but the people were dead set against it.

The people running the large corporations that want money to go to them and not to the little people are intelligent, they make long-term plans, and most importantly, their plans can be implemented because they have massive financial resources with which to execute them.

If Bush couldn't get it done, what to do? Find a Democrat who will do it. The leverage is completely different when the attack comes from within our own party. It's very difficult to get people to mobilize against their own. The privatizers and oligarchs are well aware of this. They are the ones calling the shots, there needs to be no pretense about it.

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Kos: "White House Appears Shellshocked" [View all] KoKo Apr 2013 OP

Will we ever know what advisors are reponsible for this boneheaded idea? Baitball Blogger Apr 2013 #1

The origination of the idea Nite Owl Apr 2013 #6

The origination is very worrisome JimDandy Apr 2013 #74

He picks his advisors. The buck stops with him. FiveGoodMen Apr 2013 #118

. rhett o rick Apr 2013 #132

We still need to know who the knuckleheads are that are giving him piss poor advice. LiberalFighter Apr 2013 #133

His real advisors are the 1% FiveGoodMen Apr 2013 #143

the 1% bankster thugs that pay him datasuspect Apr 2013 #210

Origin still matters quakerboy Apr 2013 #174

Problem with that argument is that this is the President's prime responsibility. It is his word. delrem Apr 2013 #182

I don't think that's the issue in this case. lark Apr 2013 #196

It is the issue for US though quakerboy Apr 2013 #212

Future presidents will take advice from the Koch brothers, just like now. FiveGoodMen Apr 2013 #229

Thank you! Carolina Apr 2013 #221

Agreed... ReRe Apr 2013 #93

this is like the stupid fiasco during the election when Israel was not mentioned samsingh Apr 2013 #206

Probably the advisors that Obama met with this morning. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2013 #7

Or the ones he had dinner with last night. bahrbearian Apr 2013 #10

red meat for Republicans carolinayellowdog Apr 2013 #45

No doubt. And these "advisors" too (Bowles/Simpson and "Fix the Debt" crowd) Triana Apr 2013 #12

Both of them are not trustworthy. LiberalFighter Apr 2013 #136

Thank you tierra Y Libertad - truedelphi Apr 2013 #39

Well stated! "corrupt beyond belief"!!!!! emsimon33 Apr 2013 #183

there is a debt I suppose, to repay maindawg Apr 2013 #61

There IS a debt to pay.... ReRe Apr 2013 #95

There IS a debt, which has nothing to do with the People's Fund. The people have a surplus sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #160

He's just meeting his bosses. Beacool Apr 2013 #62

They used to deliver bribes in brown paper bags...now they call them campaign contributions. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2013 #63

If Hillary runs in 2016 DonCoquixote Apr 2013 #82

I love Hillary Clinton... ReRe Apr 2013 #99

as I have told many DonCoquixote Apr 2013 #107

Unicorns and ponys for everyone! ReRe Apr 2013 #128

too late...Bill screwed things up royally.... antigop Apr 2013 #184

+1,000,000,000,000 dreamnightwind Apr 2013 #112

Amen + 1,000,000 zeeland Apr 2013 #175

There won't be a Warren 2016, not if Hillary is in the running. Beacool Apr 2013 #154

I know you want Hillary DonCoquixote Apr 2013 #178

I just don't see Warren in 2016. Beacool Apr 2013 #181

If DUers don't like Obama with the bankers disndat Apr 2013 #209

Seeing as how some of the appointees hail from a few of these august institutions, gateley Apr 2013 #87

Most if not all of them should be thrown to the wolves. LiberalFighter Apr 2013 #135

+1 Baitball Blogger Apr 2013 #144

Thank you for that link..I missed seeing that report. dixiegrrrrl Apr 2013 #150

Obama is responsible AgingAmerican Apr 2013 #9

I agree with your first point. AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #19

Obama is responsible donnasgirl Apr 2013 #33

Pete Peterson and Robert Rubin the Friedmanite Demeter Apr 2013 #48

Link? Baitball Blogger Apr 2013 #50

That is so so true Samantha Apr 2013 #78

Probably not, but I'll bet they're really working for the republians notadmblnd Apr 2013 #75

Obama is responsible. nt Skip Intro Apr 2013 #80

the advisors on Wall Street, is my guess. piratefish08 Apr 2013 #113

I have no doubt Axelrod is one of them. That man makes me ill and he isn't the brightest sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #138

the poor, helpless, powerless President. piratefish08 Apr 2013 #187

Yes, this is only one of a series of dumb ass moves by the president. bowens43 Apr 2013 #2

Oh he's trying Nite Owl Apr 2013 #5

His legacy Plucketeer Apr 2013 #32

That is all he will be to you, Plucketeer rury Apr 2013 #152

Here, here! randome Apr 2013 #163

I believe his presidency will rank with James Buchannan jerseyjack Apr 2013 #166

He will be the Democrat who destroyed his party for decades lark Apr 2013 #198

excellent post, lark Carolina Apr 2013 #222

Sure, Plucketeer Apr 2013 #199

Thank you. mercymechap Apr 2013 #223

Isn't it sad that the best thing we can say about an elected official is that 'he's better than the sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #227

I disagree: His unconstitutional extensions of exec power will he his true legacy. panzerfaust Apr 2013 #201

I'm actually reluctant Plucketeer Apr 2013 #202

There is only one party, the party of money. mother earth Apr 2013 #3

I think your subject line is from Gore Vidal. nm rhett o rick Apr 2013 #134

TY, rhett o rick. :) mother earth Apr 2013 #218

No Problem. Stay Cool. nm rhett o rick Apr 2013 #219

Who knew? avaistheone1 Apr 2013 #4

That's funny! Liberalynn Apr 2013 #13

I've been enjoying a lot of gallow's humor in the last couple days. avaistheone1 Apr 2013 #18

I keep thinking back to Michael Moore rurallib Apr 2013 #8

+1 BrotherIvan Apr 2013 #23

Mr. President, if this has truly taken you by surprise, you should seriously consider winter is coming Apr 2013 #11

and now that you have seen the response Liberalynn Apr 2013 #17

Or resigning Demeter Apr 2013 #49

I thought of resignation too. ReRe Apr 2013 #102

Living in a bubble is hard! City Lights Apr 2013 #14

Link? WilliamPitt Apr 2013 #15

link: Melinda Apr 2013 #21

Thanks! WilliamPitt Apr 2013 #24

Psssst, it's KoKo's OP or I would, Pop ;-) n/t Melinda Apr 2013 #53

D'oh! WilliamPitt Apr 2013 #56

give the poor sleep deprived guy a break. . . . n/t annabanana Apr 2013 #146

But it seemed like such a great idea over prime rib with Jamie Dimon Maven Apr 2013 #16

The bling in Jamie's cuff links must have blinded him! HangOnKids Apr 2013 #44

Betcha Jamie wrote it off as a business expense. LiberalFighter Apr 2013 #139

Excellent, witty response. Peregrine Took Apr 2013 #58

LOL n/t Oilwellian Apr 2013 #142

"...this bumbling White House..." randome Apr 2013 #20

Oh HarmonyRockets Apr 2013 #43

Direct your outrage at the WH and our Reps. randome Apr 2013 #68

Hmm HarmonyRockets Apr 2013 #81

I probably would NOT be as calm with a Republican President. randome Apr 2013 #88

Ugh HarmonyRockets Apr 2013 #94

I'm not 'upset'. And you make good points. randome Apr 2013 #97

Great post! dreamnightwind Apr 2013 #117

Absolutely! Policies over personalities. PA Democrat Apr 2013 #125

Oh my goodness! Pushing for POLICIES over Team D and BHO.... socialist_n_TN Apr 2013 #162

Very well stated. I'll never understand why some people have issues with that. nt raouldukelives Apr 2013 #168

Agree, excellent post! BuelahWitch Apr 2013 #190

You stay put, Harmony Rockets... ReRe Apr 2013 #110

Maybe you're not reading all the comments. mercymechap Apr 2013 #224

It IS a bumbling WH and I'm constantly wondering how a "smart chessmaster" like Obama Boomerproud Apr 2013 #65

First no one has been hurt. randome Apr 2013 #70

Stop revising history. The actual facts are important. This WH advocated for gay rights? Eventually. Bluenorthwest Apr 2013 #103

George W. Bush wanted to privatize Social Security... cheapdate Apr 2013 #76

Here's what some newspaper readers are seeing today: AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #22

I was awake during the campaign, so I know he's aware that Chained CPI is very unpopular and Marr Apr 2013 #25

The President can always withdraw the CPI (let cons think they 'won') and get the deal signed. Sunlei Apr 2013 #28

I think it'll work out, as the Republicans were the ones who started this shit in the first place... AverageJoe90 Apr 2013 #106

could you please place the link to the news story in OP, thank you. Sunlei Apr 2013 #26

done...just edited. Sorry about that. KoKo Apr 2013 #37

Thanks KoKo, like your comments just wanted to read the article. Sunlei Apr 2013 #195

The fact that the club for growth is defending the president says it all. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #27

But Obama punched some hippies and emos neverforget Apr 2013 #29

Who are the ''hippies" ?? could you please elaborate on that. YOHABLO Apr 2013 #148

The 'libruls' AgingAmerican Apr 2013 #211

Maybe Kos is ProSense Apr 2013 #30

And Norquist is calling chained CPI a tax increase. randome Apr 2013 #40

I see that if we can't defend, now we divert. n/t A Simple Game Apr 2013 #57

Just curious, but does Kos have any direct quotes from anyone in the White House.... OldDem2012 Apr 2013 #31

But,....but,...but,....Tweety LOVES this deal!!! Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2013 #34

Here's a link to the Kos post. madfloridian Apr 2013 #35

Maybe the President should get treatment for his co-dependency problem. Katashi_itto Apr 2013 #36

Olive branch brutus smith Apr 2013 #90

"How many times does it take for him to learn?" FiveGoodMen Apr 2013 #141

Touche! smirkymonkey Apr 2013 #157

Obama can not seem to understand this one simple fact. MsPithy Apr 2013 #38

That seems to be an issue with most Democrats - mercymechap Apr 2013 #41

It doesn't require being soulless magellan Apr 2013 #47

No wilsonbooks Apr 2013 #167

But that's just it. mercymechap Apr 2013 #225

He does understand. duffyduff Apr 2013 #42

Bingo! ReRe Apr 2013 #115

Thank you n/t Citizen Seattle Apr 2013 #145

+1000 smirkymonkey Apr 2013 #161

Is KOS truely correct on this, I have not heard of any cuts? azalia Apr 2013 #46

They MUST be stunned if they're blaming REPUBLICANS instead of just insulting liberals. forestpath Apr 2013 #51

SO true. They love to "kick the hippies" don't they? Peregrine Took Apr 2013 #59

A-FUCKING-MEN! forestpath Apr 2013 #60

Damn right! ReRe Apr 2013 #116

Really STUPID strategic move. STUPID! closeupready Apr 2013 #52

This is just about the dumbest thing he's done yet..until he approves Keystone of course... truebrit71 Apr 2013 #54

"After his first term I knew he was no progressive, and I knew that he was the lesser of two evils." Ghost in the Machine Apr 2013 #66

We were headed for a shot at taking back the House in 2014 DaveT Apr 2013 #55

Amen......at this point he is doing more harm then good. yourout Apr 2013 #165

Congressional Dems need to distance themselves from this nonsense. Dawson Leery Apr 2013 #172

okay now that the White House appears shellshocked.... AsahinaKimi Apr 2013 #64

No, no, you're supposed to stomp your feet and give up! randome Apr 2013 #67

I have a long way to go AsahinaKimi Apr 2013 #69

Well if that is how YOU feel, maybe YOU should call the WH et al rather than acting sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #185

2.5 Million Petition Signatures were presented to the WH.. KoKo Apr 2013 #191

Did anyone acknowledge those millions of people who signed the petition? sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #200

Keep holding their feet to the fire. No one wants to change that. randome Apr 2013 #193

Amen to that! mercymechap Apr 2013 #226

Yea I mean.. sendero Apr 2013 #73

Rose petals. We should embrace him for sticking... santamargarita Apr 2013 #71

Has anything with the word "chained" in its title EVER been good? Blue Owl Apr 2013 #72

Best of thread! n/ t JimDandy Apr 2013 #85

Does anyone know who came up with that term? "chained-cpi" ReRe Apr 2013 #122

I guess Obama thought people weren't so short-sighted. Hoyt Apr 2013 #77

Here's a hint jeff47 Apr 2013 #86

Here's another hint, look at the big picture, as well as the budget proposals for jobs, unemployment Hoyt Apr 2013 #89

The big picture is that Social Security doesn't cause deficits jeff47 Apr 2013 #98

It's called politics, and borrowing to repay the SS trust fund does contribute to debt. Hoyt Apr 2013 #109

If it's just politics, then that makes the proposal even worse. jeff47 Apr 2013 #111

You can't blame his advisors for this one shawn703 Apr 2013 #79

I agree with the advisors remark. randome Apr 2013 #83

That would require democracy... immoderate Apr 2013 #140

No one on this thread is proclaiming him 'The Enemy' The Green Manalishi Apr 2013 #180

I agree. He needs to be called out on this. randome Apr 2013 #194

Well, neither extreme does any good The Green Manalishi Apr 2013 #220

I'm sure this is just one of his ninja-like kung-fu 10 dimension chess moves Marrah_G Apr 2013 #84

The President has this bizarre idea John2 Apr 2013 #91

He looks like the bumbling amateur he's been accused of being all along. MrSlayer Apr 2013 #92

+1000 smirkymonkey Apr 2013 #164

It's discouraging...what did we get in return? lib2DaBone Apr 2013 #96

It makes total sense dreamnightwind Apr 2013 #124

Judge the actions not the speeches and it is so clear. wilsonbooks Apr 2013 #169

Is there anyone in that White House that can think a logical thought? Autumn Apr 2013 #100

Rule Number One - Do Not Fuck With Social Security. Blue Idaho Apr 2013 #101

Exactly. Why don't they get this point? Rider3 Apr 2013 #189

Most of this is right, except for one thing: AverageJoe90 Apr 2013 #104

Correct about the Repubs dreamnightwind Apr 2013 #127

This is no bumbling me b zola Apr 2013 #105

I think they wanted to triangulate. Clinton probably told Obama to do it. Zen Democrat Apr 2013 #108

If his advice is that bad...then I fear for the next over 4 1/2 Years! KoKo Apr 2013 #119

Could have been any of Obamas good friends, Dimon, Summers, good old Timmy, Autumn Apr 2013 #130

So, it's always either Bush's fault or Clinton's fault. Beacool Apr 2013 #155

lol you made me laugh nt SwampG8r Apr 2013 #215

This message was self-deleted by its author Marrah_G Apr 2013 #114

The key word is 'appears' FiveGoodMen Apr 2013 #120

Kos never really loved him....he's a new Jane Hamsher TransitJohn Apr 2013 #121

"Because only a moron would step on that third rail." FlyByNight Apr 2013 #123

Just for the sake of argument... FiveGoodMen Apr 2013 #147

Or why would you care how it affects the people that voted for you dflprincess Apr 2013 #170

du rec. nt xchrom Apr 2013 #126

How can it be they are so willfullingly out of touch Rex Apr 2013 #129

A true boneheaded move. And I would know. n/t AAO Apr 2013 #131

This message was self-deleted by its author Citizen Seattle Apr 2013 #137

Just another politician out of touch with not only his base .. but the majority of .. YOHABLO Apr 2013 #149

He's still trying to be Lincoln when he should have been like FDR. n/t davidwparker Apr 2013 #151

Blanche? n/t carolinayellowdog Apr 2013 #171

K&R. *Sigh* myrna minx Apr 2013 #153

But wait, I thought he was rope-a-doping in the 11th dimension? nt Bonobo Apr 2013 #156

This says it all. Beacool Apr 2013 #158

Best executive summary ever. jsr Apr 2013 #159

"Show courage and leadership in entitlement reform" - Almost every media pundit has been telling him Douglas Carpenter Apr 2013 #173

What on Earth is courageous about ripping off the poor and elderly? winter is coming Apr 2013 #176

I'm sure those mainstream media pundits just cannot understand why the poor and elderly don't sell Douglas Carpenter Apr 2013 #179

+100000000000 woo me with science Apr 2013 #217

You should check on your team of rivals. Herlong Apr 2013 #177

Just emailed the White House Sherman A1 Apr 2013 #186

Can we PLEASE stop the 12D chess bullshit now? Doctor_J Apr 2013 #188

3. A mistake to propose this. randome Apr 2013 #192

IM in a PEACH of a mood. blkmusclmachine Apr 2013 #197

I would say this problem is party-wide, not just the president. Crowman1979 Apr 2013 #203

Sad but true. kentuck Apr 2013 #204

Thanks for this post locks Apr 2013 #205

The thing about a Messiah complex Duer 157099 Apr 2013 #207

They live in a bubble of 1%ers and their media pundits. /nt Marr Apr 2013 #208

I think they can see outside their bubble. FiveGoodMen Apr 2013 #214

The "tough choices" always seem to target the weak. Courtesy Flush Apr 2013 #213

K&R! TeamPooka Apr 2013 #216

I think at this precise moment, the truth is indiscernable (to us) Samantha Apr 2013 #228