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Babel_17

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43. Yes, that is our ace in the hole, imo

Thu Apr 11, 2013, 07:22 PM

Apr 2013

We can return to the issue of SS benefits; the hope being that with an improved economy and rosier forecasts we can bump benefits back up.

But against that argument is that a deal is deal and we don't idly mess with the SS system. And once we've sold Chained CPI as being fair, or at least acceptable, we have to wage a war that is that much harder to reclaim the benefits.

I can't imagine Republicans not wanting something in return.

With respect, your analogy only applies if the Republicans are as unwilling to play chicken as your contestant in the estate. And in our case the court of public opinion is a huge factor. In your case it was up to a judge or referee.

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EMOPROGS? radiclib Apr 2013 #76

Exactly, Mr. Pitt: They Want To Welsh On The Markers The Magistrate Apr 2013 #3

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the OP clearly shows they do! demwing Apr 2013 #85

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This is the key to the whole thing. Jerry442 Apr 2013 #27

It has worked very well for them stealing pensions, DonB Apr 2013 #75

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Thanks for making that point. It's never written about..how KoKo Apr 2013 #87

They are Harvesting America(n's pensions). fasttense Apr 2013 #88

Indeed...! KoKo Apr 2013 #68

K&R! octoberlib Apr 2013 #6

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K & R !!! WillyT Apr 2013 #7

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Ding ding ding! Predator class theft of SS exposed on point Apr 2013 #9

Great article! JDPriestly Apr 2013 #10

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That debt is a pretty open "secret"... dixiegrrrrl Apr 2013 #12

Yep. kentuck Apr 2013 #13

Kick! In_The_Wind Apr 2013 #14

Obama's position is like playing a game of Russian Roulette and holding a gun to your own baby's avaistheone1 Apr 2013 #15

Kicking!!! arcane1 Apr 2013 #16

Superb article. 99Forever Apr 2013 #17

The beautiful thing about Chained CPI (from their point of view) Marr Apr 2013 #18

What is it you call someone who does the same thing over and over Jakes Progress Apr 2013 #19

more to it than that...Social Security payroll taxes funded the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy antigop Apr 2013 #20

The trillions of dollars squirreled away by way of off shore havens Babel_17 Apr 2013 #22

William Greider nailed it in this blog post. nt limpyhobbler Apr 2013 #23

Oh man, did they ever nail it Oilwellian Apr 2013 #24

F'ing eh. n/t lumberjack_jeff Apr 2013 #25

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K & R AzDar Apr 2013 #28

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As a concession. cheapdate Apr 2013 #44

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The bargaining has been going on for at least two years, already. n/t cheapdate Apr 2013 #49

So, now you are saying that Bohunk68 Apr 2013 #63

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By the way... cheapdate Apr 2013 #50

Fuck that. WilliamPitt Apr 2013 #54

Well, then... cheapdate Apr 2013 #62

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Say that again! BrotherIvan Apr 2013 #47

nothing was accomplished? shanti Apr 2013 #34

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but that is a good thing. tomp Apr 2013 #83

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knr Douglas Carpenter Apr 2013 #39

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K&R ReRe Apr 2013 #41

Anyone know where that $3 trillion that was robbed from the trust fund went? LeftInTX Apr 2013 #42

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"When" WilliamPitt Apr 2013 #56

Yeah, LOL, but it's still an asset of the SS fund. It's simple accounting unless Cleita Apr 2013 #57

Bernie Madoff style accounting G_j Apr 2013 #66

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