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riderinthestorm

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82. From your own OP, they were protesting in solidarity which you say is okay!
Thu Apr 11, 2013, 08:19 PM
Apr 2013

"In an act called “International Topless Jihad Day,” topless protesters in Europe were held outside of mosques in solidarity with a high school Tunisian student who took topless pictures of herself in defiance of religious oppression."


You are making up the rules for how and why women are supposed to protest now and if THAT isn't disempowering I don't know what is...

What the hell are "outside" FEMEN members by the way? That also makes no sense. You do know that protests often involve people who aren't members of a specific oppressed group who protest as well correct?

I'm a white woman who protests at immigration rallies in solidarity with the Hispanic community. Am I NOT allowed to do that?

WTF?

I guess anybody who is going to protest something Trajan Apr 2013 #1
Two things: 1. This protest is not in the US. 2. No one is saying they can't protest. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #4
You said it yourself in your OP. You are telling them how and where they can protest. nt stevenleser Apr 2013 #9
No, I didn't say anything in my OP. I posted an article. Maybe you should read before commenting. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #10
If you post an OP with a specific opinion and include no commentary saying you disagree, its a fair stevenleser Apr 2013 #12
So unless I say I disagree, you assume I've written the article. Right...makes perfect sense. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #15
No, I would never assume you wrote the article. nt stevenleser Apr 2013 #17
"You said it yourself in your OP." - You assumed exactly that. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #19
No, I didnt. nt stevenleser Apr 2013 #20
by Hannah Kapp-Klote "it’s just colonialism" Coyotl Apr 2013 #2
White European hijacking of Muslim women identity is in fact a form of colonialism. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #3
Good thing noone is doing that then. Coyotl Apr 2013 #5
Actually FEMEN is doing exactly that. Assuming the identity of Muslim women. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #6
No, they are not. See my #7 below. nt stevenleser Apr 2013 #8
Yes they are. Protesting in France as if someone is oppressing them... Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #14
Your characterization is ridiculous. This exception is only for women's rights it seems. stevenleser Apr 2013 #16
Actually, all of those protests are problematic for similar reasons. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #18
Your new ridiculous protest rules aside, Femen has local branches doing what the locals want to do. stevenleser Apr 2013 #21
Please tell me you're not a journalist. She was not kidnapped nor interned. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #24
Your information is wrong. I spoke directly to the person who was talking to her. stevenleser Apr 2013 #26
No, my information is right. As shown below. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #37
We'll see what she says when she is no longer in Tunisia. I trust my source who you will hear stevenleser Apr 2013 #58
You are once again removing her agency. Her word can't be trusted in it's current capacity, right? Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #62
When her life is threatened you mean? How many facts do you intend to ignore here? nt stevenleser Apr 2013 #69
Your assumption is that she would lie when her life is threatened. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #71
I make no assumptions either way. You assume she is telling the truth. nt stevenleser Apr 2013 #73
And you assume she is lying. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #79
No, I said let's see what she said when she is no longer in Tunisia. Try some reading comp maybe? stevenleser Apr 2013 #86
In her current capacity she states: “I have fear for my life and the life of my family,” idwiyo Apr 2013 #194
Steven, can you post a link to that interview and when its going to air? I'm very interested riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #93
Sure thing. There will be a link by midday on Saturday. But you can always see my shows by... stevenleser Apr 2013 #108
you mean the internet blogger with ties to Freedom House? Maybe you don't want to go there HiPointDem Apr 2013 #123
Amina, herself, does not make the claim that she was thrown into a psych hospital. Luminous Animal Apr 2013 #36
This kind of demonstrates just how disconnected FEMEN is from the woman. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #39
No, that is your biased opinion. nt stevenleser Apr 2013 #60
Are you speaking as ONE Muslim woman? etherealtruth Apr 2013 #44
I am not a Muslim woman. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #50
You have a large number of Muslim women within your social circles ... etherealtruth Apr 2013 #55
That established, you don't seem to have a problem with speaking for them. idwiyo Apr 2013 #160
Perhaps, but that is not what Femen is doing. stevenleser Apr 2013 #7
Agreed. Looking forward to your interview. Coyotl Apr 2013 #187
I think everyone will be surprised by just how sharp Inna Shevchenko is, particularly her detractors stevenleser Apr 2013 #192
You forgot a thinly veiled accusation that she is paid by someone else to do what she does idwiyo Apr 2013 #201
I've seen some of that, and uglier versions of it where the person or persons are Ukranian "Jew(s)" stevenleser Apr 2013 #202
I hope not on DU. REALLY hope not here. Definitely wouldn't be surprised if you saw it on the Web. idwiyo Apr 2013 #203
No, not here on DU. At least not yet. Many Youtube videos showing Femen protests have comments that stevenleser Apr 2013 #204
Yeah, most of them definitely are coming from Eastern Europe and Russia in particular. idwiyo Apr 2013 #205
One arab woman is baring her breasts. Tens of thousands of arab women are out protesting HiPointDem Apr 2013 #124
FEMEN speaks for me! Let my manly chest be seen! randome Apr 2013 #11
I'm glad they offended some people, at least. Quantess Apr 2013 #13
Yup. HappyMe Apr 2013 #22
+1 idwiyo Apr 2013 #118
I was under the impression Amina did ask LadyHawkAZ Apr 2013 #23
What has FEMEN accomplished besides gaining attention for FEMEN? Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #25
Is that any of your business unless you're Muslim? randome Apr 2013 #28
It is the business of the Muslim women who are against FEMEN. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #31
But the business of Muslim women is none of your business. randome Apr 2013 #40
They likely do not want nor need my help. I am here attempting to express that point. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #45
And that person is making clear how ridiculous that position is. nt stevenleser Apr 2013 #72
Why didn't you ask Shevchenko about this statement? Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #83
I talked to her about that and more. nt stevenleser Apr 2013 #87
And what did she say? Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #90
I'm guessing he wants you to listen to his show. I've asked for a link to date and time above nt riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #94
So he's just here to plug his radio show. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #97
Oh yeah right, like Steve hasn't offered up many points of discussion with you OUTSIDE his show riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #100
That person illustrates their intellectual dishonesty over and over again. stevenleser Apr 2013 #175
Are you a Muslim woman? LadyHawkAZ Apr 2013 #41
I am not a Muslim woman. Nor do I claim to represent the interests of Muslim women. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #43
Then why did you make this thread? LadyHawkAZ Apr 2013 #46
Because I believe FEMEN is a deceptive, neo-colonial organization. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #47
But you can't make that determination, see LadyHawkAZ Apr 2013 #51
Amina has become a chess piece to FEMEN. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #59
Amina IS Femen. She started Femen Tunisia. You have it backwards. Here is a link stevenleser Apr 2013 #61
I already know all of that. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #65
You act as if you dont. nt stevenleser Apr 2013 #66
LOL. RainDog Apr 2013 #76
I believe the same thing about Gravitycollapse. randome Apr 2013 #52
But Amina is Muslim and belongs to FEMEN. You appear to be offering up a conundrum. riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #57
There is no evidence that Amina is Muslim. Her participation in FEMEN demonstrates just the opposite Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #159
So now you are just making shit up. That's fucked up. riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #164
Why would a Muslim participate in a group that is anti-Islam? Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #170
Why not? I can think about a number of reason why. One of them could be a sincere belief that idwiyo Apr 2013 #176
You might be interested in listening to Ms. Toad Apr 2013 #225
Thank you, its a good interview. There is defintely an urgent need for more scholars idwiyo Apr 2013 #228
I'm less familiar with UK quakers than US Friends. Ms. Toad Apr 2013 #229
Correction: Amina doesn't fit into YOUR definition of "Muslim". You will need to ask HER how she idwiyo Apr 2013 #168
You are absolutely correct. We cannot know for sure until she answers that question. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #169
Didn't stop you from making statements that she is NOT Muslim. Care to retract them or at least idwiyo Apr 2013 #171
I will make the correction that there is no evidence that she is Muslim. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #174
There is no evidence she isn't. She doesn't fit into your definition of who is and isn't Muslim. idwiyo Apr 2013 #177
The irony here is of course that you and others assume she is Muslim because of where she lives. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #178
Mine actually. I am not even sure what your assumptions are based on. idwiyo Apr 2013 #182
To add to your list, Opus Dei vs. very liberal Catholics stevenleser Apr 2013 #189
My point exactly. Never mind that at least some Muslim Scholars will insist that she is a Muslim idwiyo Apr 2013 #190
What about the Muslim women supporting the groups actions? etherealtruth Apr 2013 #74
And of course your response got... stevenleser Apr 2013 #191
You see the response you got, an immediate moving of the goalposts and shifting of the argument. stevenleser Apr 2013 #27
Some would say it's FEMEN, because boobs R B Garr Apr 2013 #193
She didn't ask because nobody in FEMEN had talked to her... Luminous Animal Apr 2013 #48
1) IIRC she posted the original photos on the advice of FEMEN LadyHawkAZ Apr 2013 #56
Not only that, Amina created Femen Tunisia. It's her organization. nt stevenleser Apr 2013 #63
Yeah, but... zappaman Apr 2013 #68
Exactly. We have two folks posting under this OP who are impossibly biased because of boobs. nt stevenleser Apr 2013 #70
OP had a whole subthread full of boob/sexuality woo LadyHawkAZ Apr 2013 #80
SSDD, indeed. zappaman Apr 2013 #98
Just try finding a post of mine that said she is in no danger. Luminous Animal Apr 2013 #75
Your support is somewhat qualified LadyHawkAZ Apr 2013 #85
I have also never railed against her methods. Luminous Animal Apr 2013 #95
Mmm-hmm LadyHawkAZ Apr 2013 #107
Definition of rail: To express objections or criticisms in bitter, harsh, or abusive language Luminous Animal Apr 2013 #148
And you got a game-playing response. nt stevenleser Apr 2013 #180
*shrug* LadyHawkAZ Apr 2013 #185
Nobody asked Abolitionsists to speak for slaves in the Americas either. Zorra Apr 2013 #29
Exactly. The argument is an unconscionable one. You cannot protest wrongdoing elsewhere or else be stevenleser Apr 2013 #30
You just completely disassociated Muslim women from their agency. Congrats. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #32
The Handmaid's Tale ~ Zorra Apr 2013 #49
Atwood's novel is a reductio ad absurdum to prove a point. It is not an instructional piece. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #53
Are you Muslim? nt Zorra Apr 2013 #115
No, I'm a Pantheist. Why? Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #116
Because you seem so adamantly opposed to non-Islamic organizations in other countries Zorra Apr 2013 #121
Islamic state ≠ Islam. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #122
So weird. So an anti-apartheid group in the US was a problem protesting for South Africans? riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #128
Yep, that person advocates ethical segregation. It's a screwed up belief system. stevenleser Apr 2013 #181
You are yet to prove that they are in fact speaking FOR Muslim women. idwiyo Apr 2013 #197
Are you opposed to non-Islamic governments and the UN pressuring Islamist Zorra Apr 2013 #117
Your subject line is oxymoronical. "To prove a point" makes it instructional. Zorra Apr 2013 #209
No you have. Muslim FEMEN protesters ring a bell? Amina? Aliaa? You saying they're doing it "wrong"? riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #67
Their own protests are not wrong. FEMEN exploitation is wrong. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #77
From your own OP, they were protesting in solidarity which you say is okay! riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #82
Why the hell were they protesting outside of Mosques? Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #84
Now you're putting parameters on WHERE women can protest??!! Really?! riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #91
I'm not telling them where they can or cannot protest. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #92
So patriarchal Islamic oppression of women isn't what Amina was protesting, and FEMEN in solidarity? riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #99
So you're argument is that all Mosques, Imams and followers are responsible for the oppression. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #103
No! Its about going to a place that will generate maximum exposure for ANY protest riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #110
So in your mind, nobody is allowed to protest anything unless they belong to the aggrieved group? riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #78
At the very least, pro-Palestine protests argue for Palestinian agency. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #81
Nice. Picking and choosing WHICH demonstrations are okay for me to protest at. Palestinian okay! riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #88
Nope, you completely misunderstood my point. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #89
Some Muslim women certainly are suffering. polly7 Apr 2013 #101
Reread what I wrote. I'm talking about the outside chapters of FEMEN. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #104
Ack ... you're right, I read that too fast, sorry. polly7 Apr 2013 #106
FEMEN is anti-religion. How could they speak for Muslim women? Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #109
They're speaking for 'women', who are oppressed because of religion. polly7 Apr 2013 #111
Their stated objective is to help "liberate" women from Islam... Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #112
I believe a lot of Americans need to be liberated from the Southern Baptist Church riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #114
Gotcha. So Gravitycollapse's Guide to Proper Ladylike Protests means riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #105
It really is an incredibly sinister, patronizing, flirting-with-racist argument, isn't it? DirkGently Apr 2013 #127
Yup, it really is. Disgusting actually. I note Gravitycollapse evades coming back riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #145
lol. morningfog Apr 2013 #154
Snap! Apophis Apr 2013 #54
What a joke RainDog Apr 2013 #33
I'm not prepared to take someone seriously who uses terms like "homo guys" or "homo females." Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #34
I was using corresponding adj. het/homo RainDog Apr 2013 #35
Your rhetoric is telling. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #38
LOL RainDog Apr 2013 #42
Yawn. Speaking up against oppression will always piss a few people off. polly7 Apr 2013 #64
Your protest of the protests has succeeded in uniting many DUers who often... randome Apr 2013 #96
So what. No one ever asks me anything either. Prism Apr 2013 #102
This thread is ridiculous. MadrasT Apr 2013 #113
+10000 trumad Apr 2013 #119
Another article written by another "naked titties and public nudity is BAD and oppressive" person. idwiyo Apr 2013 #120
Vladmir agrees with you. kwassa Apr 2013 #138
Not sure what it is you are trying to say. Do tell. idwiyo Apr 2013 #162
Vladimir Putin enjoys Femen protest against him. kwassa Apr 2013 #186
And then promptly had his government request the harshest punishments for them. stevenleser Apr 2013 #195
And where is your evidence that ..... kwassa Apr 2013 #206
Tons of news reports. Google is your friend stevenleser Apr 2013 #207
Tons? Oh my! kwassa Apr 2013 #208
Your link has nothing to do with my contention or the point which is that Putin/Russia wanted stevenleser Apr 2013 #210
So what? They get a minor fine. Big deal. Putin has no say. kwassa Apr 2013 #211
And now you are once again all over the place with no point. nt stevenleser Apr 2013 #214
Kind of difficult for him to see her back when she is facing him, no? How do you know what he thinks idwiyo Apr 2013 #196
Her protest has no usefulness. If Putin can ignore it either way, it has no point. kwassa Apr 2013 #212
You are entitled to your oppinion. I beleive FEMEN accomplished exactly what they planned to do. idwiyo Apr 2013 #213
If you really want a laugh, take a look at the back and forth just upthread. She not only moved the stevenleser Apr 2013 #215
Thanks, almost missed that part. That's hilarious! idwiyo Apr 2013 #216
When I want a laugh, I read your notes. kwassa Apr 2013 #218
LOL! Back from throwing those goalposts away? nt stevenleser Apr 2013 #220
Perfect. No wonder. cali Apr 2013 #232
Femen planned to look silly? They did accompliish that. kwassa Apr 2013 #217
They looked silly? You just cant help yourself but try to put those women down. In any way possible. idwiyo Apr 2013 #219
I am only saying what many are saying on DU. Many you argue with. kwassa Apr 2013 #221
OK, if you are not motivated by "anti-nude sentiments" than what is your beef with FEMEN? idwiyo Apr 2013 #222
Their form of protest is regressive, in my opinion. kwassa Apr 2013 #223
Obviously we disagree. I don't like sweeping statements like "their method does damage to women's idwiyo Apr 2013 #227
I think it does apply to you, and this is where we disagree. kwassa Apr 2013 #231
Sooo ... "They're right, but they should shut up because something something neocolonial?" DirkGently Apr 2013 #125
That's not a tortured argument. The history of white people appointing themselves moral authority Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #126
How are you wriggling around the fact that Amina Tyler is Tunisian, again? DirkGently Apr 2013 #129
I'm not protesting against Amina. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #130
Are you protesting boobs? Quantess Apr 2013 #131
What? What part of my argument in this thread revolves around breasts? Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #133
Come on, just admit it. Quantess Apr 2013 #134
Admit what? Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #137
Admitting that you are trolling might be a good start. Quantess Apr 2013 #172
But you are, and the rest of the Muslim FEMEN members riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #132
Are there Muslim FEMEN members? Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #136
Yes. Amina and Aliaa that we know of. Who else is on the rolls I don't know riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #142
Aliaa is not Muslim. She is a secularist. There is no evidence that Amina is Muslim. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #144
Uhm, an Islamic cleric has put out a fatwa against Amina so clearly they believe riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #149
I don't think you know what a fatwa is. Regardless, neither of those women are Muslim. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #151
Prove it. Please provide proof for Amina (for example). riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #156
It's difficult to prove a negative. There is no evidence that Amina is Muslim. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #158
Okay so you are just making shit up. Good night. nt riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #161
Do you believe non-christian women should be allowed to protest octothorpe Apr 2013 #163
Of course NOT! They will be oppressing Christian women who can speak for themselves! idwiyo Apr 2013 #199
Why is this such a big deal? Deep13 Apr 2013 #135
This FEMEN protest and systemic oppression are the same thing. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #139
That is a ludicrous statement. Who are protesters "oppressing?" DirkGently Apr 2013 #140
The very women they claim to be speaking for. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #141
Thats so crazy its insane! Some of the protesters are Muslim! riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #143
Which FEMEN members are Muslim? I know of none. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #146
Answered in 149 and we don't know whose exactly on FEMEN's rolls riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #153
Aliaa is not Muslim. She is a secularist. There is no evidence that Amina is Muslim. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #155
That's a bullshit statement and not supported by any FACTS whatsoever. riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #166
FEMEN is an expressly anti-religious organization. So it's fair game... Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #173
Why would that matter either way? octothorpe Apr 2013 #167
Nice of you to impose your male western-oriented patriarchal definition of who is and isn't idwiyo Apr 2013 #157
You cannot "oppress" someone by speaking out. DirkGently Apr 2013 #147
You don't think language has an oppressive capacity? Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #150
There's that tortured logic again. DirkGently Apr 2013 #165
Exactly. Tortured logic is a good phrase for it. stevenleser Apr 2013 #179
There is a vibrant feminist movement in Tunisia, of which some members have been threatened with Luminous Animal Apr 2013 #183
FEMEN is actually anti-porn and anti-prostitution industry. idwiyo Apr 2013 #198
No, you are misreading it. Deep13 Apr 2013 #184
Yes. nt Zorra Apr 2013 #200
ROFLMAO Coyotl Apr 2013 #188
Go FEMEN! They speak for themselves. morningfog Apr 2013 #152
Post removed Post removed Apr 2013 #224
They volunteered. Deep13 Apr 2013 #226
Islam's own Phyllis Schlaflys. backscatter712 Apr 2013 #230
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