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idwiyo

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135. Please explain what in that picture suggest to you FEMEN speaks FOR Muslim women.

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Amina a Tunisian Woman Protested about Anti-Women policies and Anti-Women acts in Tunisia. [View all] stevenleser Apr 2013 OP

Crickets Kick stevenleser Apr 2013 #1

crickets, because you failed to mention that boobs were involved. Quantess Apr 2013 #2

Sad, wry laugh. nt riderinthestorm Apr 2013 #3

LOL, true! stevenleser Apr 2013 #4

+1 LadyHawkAZ Apr 2013 #7

while i am completely against people justifying their islamophobia by using women and gays La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2013 #5

I really think it is hostility about the showing of boobs. I think all else is a smokescreen. stevenleser Apr 2013 #6

i think part of it is also that no one wants to admit oppression in their own culture La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2013 #8

I don't think that is what is going on here on DU. I think most of us are aware of global issues of stevenleser Apr 2013 #15

I think I just got exactly how you meant that. And I agree. stevenleser Apr 2013 #20

You are wilfully misrepresenting the arguments of those opposed to FEMEN. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #11

There is nothing to represent. At best, you advocate a form of belief segregation. That's at best. stevenleser Apr 2013 #12

More willful misrepresentation. Directing away from our argument to boobs. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #19

As I said, your stated argument itself is a form of ethnocentrism. If you are happy to stand on that stevenleser Apr 2013 #21

And what, exactly are those arguments? cliffordu Apr 2013 #29

FEMEN does not and cannot speak for Muslim women. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #50

And that is an ethnocentrist argument. nt stevenleser Apr 2013 #57

... Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #60

Oh, I know what that word means. Do you? You keep saying only people of certain ethnic backgrounds stevenleser Apr 2013 #71

Ethnicity is the spurious connection. What I'm really talking about are power relationships. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #76

What you're really doing is making it up as you go along, to attack Femen. And hide the fact that stevenleser Apr 2013 #79

Nope. Power relationships are the actual issue at hand here. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #86

So it's not about ethnicity, it's about power. Oh yeah and because they're white, and not muslim. stevenleser Apr 2013 #91

You should read up on the separatist/liberationist movements. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #93

Can you point us dummies to an actual statement cliffordu Apr 2013 #98

At the bar right now. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #106

Sorry to interrupt your drinking... cliffordu Apr 2013 #112

No worries. The drinking interrupted this debate. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #113

Somehow I simultaneously understand your predicament and cliffordu Apr 2013 #115

The don't speak FOR, they speak in SUPPORT OF. Please show some evidence that FEMEN idwiyo Apr 2013 #119

Just one example... Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #132

Please explain what in that picture suggest to you FEMEN speaks FOR Muslim women. idwiyo Apr 2013 #135

*sigh* If it's not self apparent to you, you're either not ready to see... Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #136

Are you aware of the difference between 'Islamism' and 'Islam'? muriel_volestrangler Apr 2013 #138

Thank you. I am really curious what is it they see in that picture that makes them believe idwiyo Apr 2013 #141

What is self apparent to me, is definitely not self apparent to you. What in that picture idwiyo Apr 2013 #140

I didn't know anyone was opposed to FEMEN. Who would that be? Coyotl Apr 2013 #124

Women have been going to Tunisia and showing off their Boobs for years and were never stoned JI7 Apr 2013 #42

Some on FEMEN's statements are hostile to Islam BainsBane Apr 2013 #13

It's more than some. FEMEN is an expressly anti-Islam group. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #23

That's my understanding as well BainsBane Apr 2013 #30

I've been looking through the FEMEN website. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #32

My Ukrainian is rusty BainsBane Apr 2013 #37

Oh sorry. At the top right of the page you can switch to English. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #38

Much better BainsBane Apr 2013 #46

Not completely correct. Femen is anti-religion. And they are anti-religion because they believe that stevenleser Apr 2013 #31

So apparently that woman's battered face is alright with you. cliffordu Apr 2013 #116

Hostility toward religion is a HUMAN RIGHT. DeSwiss Apr 2013 #62

Despising 90% of the world's population BainsBane Apr 2013 #63

You're putting words into my mouth. DeSwiss Apr 2013 #75

Deal! BainsBane Apr 2013 #84

Which 90% would that be??? cliffordu Apr 2013 #103

Where did you get "despising" from? Projecting your own thoughts maybe? idwiyo Apr 2013 #120

I was speaking of the poster's absurd comment BainsBane Apr 2013 #123

I do not think the are Islamophobic. They definitely support full separation of chirch and state, idwiyo Apr 2013 #126

Maybe, just maybe leftynyc Apr 2013 #137

'Religions have no rights' is like 'corporations have no rights' muriel_volestrangler Apr 2013 #139

Or are they Islamist-phobic? Or do they reject specific notions of mainstream Islam? idwiyo Apr 2013 #142

When they write BainsBane Apr 2013 #153

Why should anyone respect racist, sexist and homophobic book? Do tell. idwiyo Apr 2013 #157

as I said BainsBane Apr 2013 #160

I don't equate a book with people, obviously you do. The book IS racist, sexist and homophobic. idwiyo Apr 2013 #162

perfect example of a mischaracterization ... Trajan Apr 2013 #182

so the people would be worthy of respect BainsBane Apr 2013 #183

minus everything after the 1st 'and'.. Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #195

could I get a translation on that? BainsBane Apr 2013 #196

nah. \n Phillip McCleod Apr 2013 #200

"Many don't see veiling as a form of oppression, particularly since it isn't required in Tunisia." cliffordu Apr 2013 #100

oh i agree with you on most of these things. La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2013 #143

I was kind of on the fence about them... bettyellen Apr 2013 #77

I love this post. Luminous Animal Apr 2013 #92

That's is how it's done! **APPLAUSE** I think it takes more than 15 minutes of fame, you know... bettyellen Apr 2013 #167

Advocacy designed to bring about real change is hard work BainsBane Apr 2013 #221

i thought the protest for Japan was the strangest one JI7 Apr 2013 #110

oh, I missed that. I am trying not to be dismissive or snarky about what they are doing, but.... bettyellen Apr 2013 #166

Love this post. redqueen Apr 2013 #147

thanks, I was disheartened to read they bailed on Russia instead of accomplishing anything. bettyellen Apr 2013 #169

That last statement strikes me as particularly insightful BainsBane Apr 2013 #178

Amina has herself stated that she was not kidnapped nor thrown in a psych ward. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #9

And she said that while in the country where some political groups are threatening to stone her to stevenleser Apr 2013 #16

You didn't even mention her statements in your OP. You're an erasure. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #17

I think that is a culturally and colonially biased statement against erasures. nt stevenleser Apr 2013 #18

Other Tunisian feminists have been threatened with death, too. Luminous Animal Apr 2013 #35

None of that is news to me. nt stevenleser Apr 2013 #39

Really. Did you mention them? You who told me that Muslim feminists are like Log Cabin Republicans.. Luminous Animal Apr 2013 #45

And just like Log Cabin Republicans, they exist in surprising numbers. And? nt stevenleser Apr 2013 #47

do Catholics support Child Molestation ? should they leave the church to prove they don't ? JI7 Apr 2013 #58

Wrong question. The question to ask is, if Opus Dei promoted molesting children and the state stevenleser Apr 2013 #64

why do you not give the same consideration to Muslims rather than thinking they are all like the JI7 Apr 2013 #66

Are all Catholics "Opus Dei"? When you have figured out the answer to that, you will understand why stevenleser Apr 2013 #68

are all muslims like the fucking Taliban ? JI7 Apr 2013 #70

Are all Catholics like Opus Dei? nt stevenleser Apr 2013 #73

no, and all Muslims are not like the Taliban JI7 Apr 2013 #74

Now you are getting it. nt stevenleser Apr 2013 #78

i always got it , i know TUnisia unlike the idiot screaming about stoning to death there JI7 Apr 2013 #80

If you got it, explain what I meant. nt stevenleser Apr 2013 #83

And you haven't a clue about the Tunisian feminist movement.. Luminous Animal Apr 2013 #65

Let me know when you are ready to stop with the straw men. stevenleser Apr 2013 #67

Why don't you admit up until like maybe yesterday you believed that there Luminous Animal Apr 2013 #99

Why dont you admit you mischaracterized my statement. In fact you make two contradictory accusations stevenleser Apr 2013 #101

Prove that they are mutually exclusive. Luminous Animal Apr 2013 #107

I'm happy to let DUers read my previous statement and make up their own minds. nt stevenleser Apr 2013 #108

women have been protesting outside for years there and been threatened with stoning, death etc JI7 Apr 2013 #40

And? idwiyo Apr 2013 #121

"Some political groups" = a regional leader of one group who reportedly said she 'should' be stoned, HiPointDem Apr 2013 #131

Thanks, ill be interested in listening G_j Apr 2013 #10

Amina's protest is completely valid BainsBane Apr 2013 #14

Steve does not believe that there are Muslim feminists. Luminous Animal Apr 2013 #24

How is that possible? BainsBane Apr 2013 #34

He says, since he has been to Muslim countries, they do not exist. Luminous Animal Apr 2013 #41

shit, the same can be said about Obama and all the other Democrats , Catholics make up JI7 Apr 2013 #54

They define themselves as feminists BainsBane Apr 2013 #55

And if a woman says she is not offended by a dongle joke or door being held open The Straight Story Apr 2013 #44

Free associate much? BainsBane Apr 2013 #49

So you can't answer that? The Straight Story Apr 2013 #56

I don't care what people are offended by BainsBane Apr 2013 #59

No, it was about what women should feel on an issue The Straight Story Apr 2013 #69

If that's what you want to lecture people about BainsBane Apr 2013 #81

Eh eh. The door again. I hope you are in real life milking that canard for all it is worth... Luminous Animal Apr 2013 #82

Nice The Straight Story Apr 2013 #88

Quit making up bullshit BainsBane Apr 2013 #90

How about you do the same The Straight Story Apr 2013 #96

I'm bored with your straw man arguments BainsBane Apr 2013 #104

Benevolent sexism has nothing to do with any individual woman's preference. Luminous Animal Apr 2013 #97

Seems to me like extremely convoluted concept. It makes an assumption that "benevolent" idwiyo Apr 2013 #127

I think you are confusing "individualism" with feminism. Really common mistake. bettyellen Apr 2013 #179

Please explain how. idwiyo Apr 2013 #181

Individualism is about the personal choices you get to make. Feminism concerns itself with societal bettyellen Apr 2013 #210

You couldn't be further away from truth. Not that I am surprised. idwiyo Apr 2013 #223

when you prattle on about your individual relationships with men, it's individualism... bettyellen Apr 2013 #228

Here we go again. Can you actually hold a conversation without dictating what someone else should idwiyo Apr 2013 #231

not sure why you would presume to know what anyone here does in their spare time bettyellen Apr 2013 #232

25 years of activism most definitely qualifies you to lead by personal example! FEMEN needs you to idwiyo Apr 2013 #233

you might like to use DU to talk all about yourself and make up stories about others in an bettyellen Apr 2013 #234

Have a great day! :) idwiyo Apr 2013 #235

It's not correct. As with most of my detractors on the Femen issue, that person mischaracterizes nt stevenleser Apr 2013 #51

Amina flat out states she was not thrown into a psych ward. Address that. Luminous Animal Apr 2013 #22

We can't trust her word. She's too oppressed. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #25

According to your belief system, what you just said was colonialism. nt stevenleser Apr 2013 #27

Man, that went miles over your head. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #28

No, it didn't. I got your intended meaning. But applying what you claim is your belief system, you stevenleser Apr 2013 #33

Like a jetliner over the sea floor. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #36

You just described an undersea craft with a magnetohydrodynamic drive. And here I thought I was stevenleser Apr 2013 #43

Barking up the wrong tree with your wiki searching. My username is there for a reason. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #53

I thought your username was just more Wharrgarbl like your attacks on Femen nt stevenleser Apr 2013 #61

I already have in multiple OPs. See my #16 above. nt stevenleser Apr 2013 #26

Femen is like that Quron Burning Guy in the United States , of course they have a right to protest JI7 Apr 2013 #48

Actually, not like that guy at all, just the opposite Coyotl Apr 2013 #125

K&R! n/t DeSwiss Apr 2013 #52

Epic debate going on here Shankapotomus Apr 2013 #72

Agreed. Deep13 Apr 2013 #85

Wow, very well put! stevenleser Apr 2013 #87

Equality does not mean monolithism. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #89

Of course they are within their rights to protest BainsBane Apr 2013 #94

And just like many Muslim women have the right to agree with them. stevenleser Apr 2013 #95

Look at these Tunisian women BainsBane Apr 2013 #102

I wasn't specifically referring to Tunisia. I'm well aware Sharia isnt law in Tunisia YET. stevenleser Apr 2013 #105

If you aren't talking specifically about Tunisia BainsBane Apr 2013 #109

I'll say it again since Femen detractors seem to love to mischaracterize and misquote. stevenleser Apr 2013 #111

How do you know what these Muslim women want? BainsBane Apr 2013 #118

FEMEN actually said that women talk too much? Where? idwiyo Apr 2013 #122

They marched into a woman's conference BainsBane Apr 2013 #154

Quote: "The argument was that the experts talk too much and do too little." That's not what you said idwiyo Apr 2013 #156

google the event BainsBane Apr 2013 #158

YOU made a dishonest statement, YOU provided me with a proof of your dishonesty and its my fault? idwiyo Apr 2013 #161

The statement is not dishonest BainsBane Apr 2013 #163

Wtf? Where did you come up with all that? nt. polly7 Apr 2013 #164

This wouldn't be the first time this poster makes dishonest statements. Its kind of amusing really. idwiyo Apr 2013 #168

Yeah, I know. polly7 Apr 2013 #170

ROFTLOL, THAT is absolutely hillarious. She definitely should get a point for "creativity". idwiyo Apr 2013 #173

+100! n/t zappaman Apr 2013 #176

educate you? BainsBane Apr 2013 #187

This message was self-deleted by its author polly7 Apr 2013 #188

It's not a lie when I didn't recall BainsBane Apr 2013 #190

This message was self-deleted by its author polly7 Apr 2013 #191

LOL! polly7 Apr 2013 #192

Accoding to the evidence YOU provided they did not say what you claim they did. idwiyo Apr 2013 #165

Of course its dishonest. FEMEN said EXPERTS, you insist they said WOMEN. idwiyo Apr 2013 #174

okay, so your complaint BainsBane Apr 2013 #193

Out of your entire post only 2 sentences are correct. Rest of it is dishonest bullshit. See below. idwiyo Apr 2013 #197

A lot of the FEMEN people are Muslim women. Deep13 Apr 2013 #114

A lot? BainsBane Apr 2013 #117

From their own website, one person out of hundreds of photos. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #130

noticed that, have you? i did too. the same few people show up all over europe. i wonder where HiPointDem Apr 2013 #133

An interesting comment: polly7 Apr 2013 #145

In fairness, Muslim women openly supporting Femen would probably be placing themselves in danger, Zorra Apr 2013 #149

Muslim women would be in danger BainsBane Apr 2013 #150

Or Iraq? Or Saudi Arabia? polly7 Apr 2013 #151

Another totally dishonest personal attack post, ignoring the content of my post. Tsk tsk ~ Zorra Apr 2013 #172

LOL BainsBane Apr 2013 #175

The truth is, I feel no need to defend my POV to you. Zorra Apr 2013 #177

Aliaa Magda Elmahdy would defintely disagree with you. I am sure you know who I am talking about. idwiyo Apr 2013 #180

All right, it's just the impression I have... Deep13 Apr 2013 #218

I looked through their entire site BainsBane Apr 2013 #219

It is very apparent that you simply wish to believe that we lowly DUers can't be bothered Zorra Apr 2013 #230

LOL Capt. Obvious Dec 2013 #236

"thrown into the psych ward" = lie. "threats by various political factions in her country to have HiPointDem Apr 2013 #128

I honestly can't believe this guy has a radio show. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #129

femen is being touted by a lot of middle east hawks; they cheered on the pnac coups too. HiPointDem Apr 2013 #134

Interesting. Could you please post a link to the source of that information? Zorra Apr 2013 #146

I mean the hawks on this board. Many of the same people taking the hard line on Iran and HiPointDem Apr 2013 #215

Really? Are any posting in this thread? nt Zorra Apr 2013 #226

The more I read about them BainsBane Apr 2013 #185

I don't find it suprising BainsBane Apr 2013 #184

It's not a real radio show, it's blogtalkradio. MadrasT Apr 2013 #186

Ah so it's like a podcast? Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #189

gotcha BainsBane Apr 2013 #194

Here is my PM to Steven: Zorra Apr 2013 #198

Cool story. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #199

It is a very cool story, and a very true story. Zorra Apr 2013 #201

Here's one I particularly enjoyed: Zorra Apr 2013 #202

Yeah, ground breaking stuff... Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #204

Aww, you don't like what was said? Zorra Apr 2013 #205

He slam dunks the easy arguments. Yet cannot appreciate more complex... Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #206

Complex issues such as marriage, you mean? nt Zorra Apr 2013 #207

Complex issues like female agency. Gravitycollapse Apr 2013 #208

That's a really difficult concept for most men to feel and grasp, bro. Zorra Apr 2013 #209

Very cool! :) idwiyo Apr 2013 #224

+1 Totally agree with everything you said. idwiyo Apr 2013 #203

Right on. Coyotl Apr 2013 #213

Leaving such untruths unedited speaks volumes. nt redqueen Apr 2013 #144

This info was in a previous thread on DU Coyotl Apr 2013 #211

"Steve missed that post". Zorra Apr 2013 #225

See posts 9 & 16 from Thursday. redqueen Apr 2013 #229

Like, maybe, Steve is no longer reading this thread. It's just a forum Coyotl Apr 2013 #227

REALLY? Interesting. Why do so many sources indicate that these statements are, apparently, TRUE? Zorra Apr 2013 #148

because they all have the same source for that factoid: femen's Inna Shevchenko. HiPointDem Apr 2013 #152

Can you disprove it? nt Zorra Apr 2013 #155

That appears to be true regarding her being in a psychiatric hospital, Zorra Apr 2013 #159

That is false according to her lawyer. Coyotl Apr 2013 #212

Thanks, I assume you are referring to Amina going to the psych ward? Zorra Apr 2013 #214

no. The internationally-known female Tunisian civil rights lawyer who represents amina didn't HiPointDem Apr 2013 #216

'appears to be true'. can you cite someone besides femen on that? Bouchra Hamida is an inter- HiPointDem Apr 2013 #217

What I was saying is that what you posted about her not being in the psych ward appears to be true. Zorra Apr 2013 #220

I heard two different stories attributed to her about their "kidnapping" too bettyellen Apr 2013 #171

According to Dear Leader himself something did happen. He is positively bursting with desire to say idwiyo Apr 2013 #222