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132. It is not a welfare program, it is an insurance program

Fri Apr 12, 2013, 08:54 AM

Apr 2013

Have you ever heard of an insurance program that paid you back what only what you paid in? Have you ever collected unemployment insurance? Is that a welfare program? Is Medicare welfare? Should there be a cut off of Medicare when your medical costs reach what you put in the Medicare kitty?
SS is not and never has been a welfare program. A progressive pay out does not make it welfare.

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Ok.. Fuck You Lawrence O'Donnell and MSNBC [View all] TheProgressive Apr 2013 OP

O'Donnell and the rest of MSNBC are just corporate shills LittleBlue Apr 2013 #1

Not really -- Chris Hayes and Rachel Maddow are both speaking out against the CPI cuts to SS. whathehell Apr 2013 #122

Yes, they are, but I'd frankly rather hear Big Eddie on the case. He was sidelined on purpose, imho silvershadow Apr 2013 #183

Yep, I liked Big Eddie on earned benefits too, as well as on organized labor. I agree that whathehell Apr 2013 #185

I've been thinking he was sidelined on purpose too! ebbie15644 Apr 2013 #196

FDR must have been a corporate shill too treestar Apr 2013 #207

I don't like his Blue Link segments. rug Apr 2013 #2

He gave an interesting report on the background HISTORY. Tx4obama Apr 2013 #3

Sure. But what is the story then compared to today... TheProgressive Apr 2013 #9

the background history of democrats and republicans colluding to cut social security, so HiPointDem Apr 2013 #26

Yes and thanks, Tx4. elleng Apr 2013 #41

Do you want to call O'D a "job creator" too?? NOVA_Dem Apr 2013 #46

'Larry O'D has always been a Reich-Wing Democrat. Just look at what he did to The West Wing,' elleng Apr 2013 #53

He was a Senate staffer and a writer. NOVA_Dem Apr 2013 #124

He was elleng Apr 2013 #125

You still haven't listed employer. n/t NOVA_Dem Apr 2013 #126

Producer and Executive Producer RockaFowler Apr 2013 #140

Thanks. People don't know, care, or think, I guess. elleng Apr 2013 #145

He was a highly compensated employee and that's it Bluenorthwest Apr 2013 #139

Are you serious? Do you really think most of us have time to be concerned about some sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #52

Facts? dothemath Apr 2013 #75

No, that is NOT one of the facts I am referring to, dothemath. elleng Apr 2013 #78

And every bit of that history occurred before we got hit with the biggest depression eridani Apr 2013 #130

The whole argument is "It's historically less than it is now,... Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2013 #150

People need to watch the segment from last night and the one to come. The facts bluestate10 Apr 2013 #162

+1 kristopher Apr 2013 #170

Yes, fact are facts, but spin is also spin. And O'Donnell spun the facts like a top. merrily Apr 2013 #190

+1000000000000000000000 treestar Apr 2013 #206

Just raise the frigging cap... kentuck Apr 2013 #4

Well they got a 3% "break" in a sense, so you want to hit them with a 12%tax. Hoyt Apr 2013 #13

And what does the person that makes $110K per year pay? kentuck Apr 2013 #15

If you pay him 450k based benefits, maybe. But if you do that, you don't help SS fund much. Hoyt Apr 2013 #23

SS is only charged on first $110,100 for 2012, at 4.2% (and another 6.2% paid by employer) LooseWilly Apr 2013 #131

They pay pretty much the same. AAO Apr 2013 #149

So do I but S.S. is supposed to be a way to have security for the future and pay for it. Walk away Apr 2013 #154

I don't care what you call it - the cap should be raised. AAO Apr 2013 #157

Then should we make everything cost more if you make more money??? Walk away Apr 2013 #181

I think it should be proportionate to your ability to pay. It's truly patriotic. AAO Apr 2013 #182

I understand that you like it but it doesn't seem fair to me. Walk away Apr 2013 #187

not too many people making $450k on wages. tax capital, not labor. HiPointDem Apr 2013 #28

The cap is raised every year. You want to turn high earners against SS, make them fund 60% HiPointDem Apr 2013 #57

Absoutely!!!!!!!!!!!! nt Walk away Apr 2013 #155

I favor high earners paying in more to SS. But to have those people pay in at 6.2% all bluestate10 Apr 2013 #164

Well, that would be an improvement over lifting the cap altogether, but it has similar problems. HiPointDem Apr 2013 #193

Totally agree... tex-wyo-dem Apr 2013 #64

They need this first cut, so that more can follow. And there will be more cuts proposed after this. reformist2 Apr 2013 #5

That's just EXACTLY it. They want to get RID of SS. That way... Triana Apr 2013 #11

1977 Life Long Dem Apr 2013 #6

Nah, LoD was just being informative. madamesilverspurs Apr 2013 #7

Well, maybe you are a well off senior and disabled person who doesn't give a damn TheProgressive Apr 2013 #10

I'm not panicking over this. It's better to wait to hear more details of who is exempt, etc. n/t Tx4obama Apr 2013 #19

That's just it... SS and Medicare are not welfare and not subject to 'conditions' TheProgressive Apr 2013 #20

Well off??? madamesilverspurs Apr 2013 #27

Yet, you think it is ok if retirees receive less than is owed them... TheProgressive Apr 2013 #33

I said no such thing. madamesilverspurs Apr 2013 #37

The poster didn't write what you claimed. Let's take emotion out of this. bluestate10 Apr 2013 #166

Silly comment... Emotions are an important part of humanity.. TheProgressive Apr 2013 #173

Interestingly, the elderly, at the time treestar Apr 2013 #208

but it *does* provide pretty much *everything* for 1/3 of workers. and half or more for 2/3. HiPointDem Apr 2013 #32

You raise a reality of FDR's day that is not true now. bluestate10 Apr 2013 #167

Good, Thanks elleng Apr 2013 #36

+1 graham4anything Apr 2013 #40

You're right, history does matter... tex-wyo-dem Apr 2013 #93

so right - why can't these whiners who complain that they don't have enough income just sell off Douglas Carpenter Apr 2013 #100

This comfortable class that simply ignores what others are subjected to are the problem. Egalitarian Thug Apr 2013 #107

Should have heard Tweety earlier. zeeland Apr 2013 #8

Gee, millionaires telling us to do without? Who would have thought. JaneyVee Apr 2013 #12

From what I've seen of O'Donnell I don't like him Union Scribe Apr 2013 #14

Yep. I don't like his SMARMY persona. NOVA_Dem Apr 2013 #30

Yep, and this thread got me doing some more digging. Union Scribe Apr 2013 #60

ODonnel is the most left wing pundit on TV, bar none kristopher Apr 2013 #69

That's probably not saying much. Union Scribe Apr 2013 #72

No, you should just pay more attention kristopher Apr 2013 #76

BFD. You can call yourself anything. Union Scribe Apr 2013 #83

So you clearly and unquestionably do NOT watch his show. kristopher Apr 2013 #86

Perhaps you "should pay more attention" Union Scribe Apr 2013 #89

I saw that segment with Grayson navarth Apr 2013 #153

Or maybe, are paying close attention to what he does and ignoring what he says. n/t Egalitarian Thug Apr 2013 #94

Pay attention to what he "does" not what he says? kristopher Apr 2013 #96

And you are showing that you have no idea of what you're talking about. Egalitarian Thug Apr 2013 #98

your previous post said everything I ever need to know about your opinion. kristopher Apr 2013 #99

You're going to spend a lot of time shaking your head if you never bother to learn. Egalitarian Thug Apr 2013 #103

14 mocking emoticons says everything we need to know carolinayellowdog Apr 2013 #121

O'Donnell is a self described Socialist. He has consistently fought for what was right. nt bluestate10 Apr 2013 #168

Care to list some of these Herculean tasks that this multimillionaire has undertaken in Egalitarian Thug Apr 2013 #204

Talk about attacking the messenger treestar Apr 2013 #209

And remember this my fellow real Americans... it is for $12B per year of OUR money.. TheProgressive Apr 2013 #16

Had the same thought. I just tweeted him and told octoberlib Apr 2013 #17

The cuts won't stop until it's been destroyed neverforget Apr 2013 #18

Sure, Social Security was supposed to be part of a three legged stool... tokenlib Apr 2013 #21

Well said...and exactly correct. TheProgressive Apr 2013 #22

Well said. Not to mention crippling heath care and energy costs (Remember the cackling about soaking myrna minx Apr 2013 #160

O'Donnell explained that we're supposed to get more back than Progressive dog Apr 2013 #24

"Then he pointed out that now the higher earners won't." = the first salvo in turning this key HiPointDem Apr 2013 #55

that's correct Progressive dog Apr 2013 #73

They *are* trying to get rid of it, & people should at least get what they put in -- as they HiPointDem Apr 2013 #108

It is not a welfare program, it is an insurance program Progressive dog Apr 2013 #132

It will be a welfare program when the top 10% of earners is funding the majority of it. HiPointDem Apr 2013 #194

You are joking, among developed countries Progressive dog Apr 2013 #195

no, i'm not joking. you want a welfare program, tax capital, not workers. HiPointDem Apr 2013 #197

How do you tax capital? Progressive dog Apr 2013 #198

you're ignorant, then. capital gains tax, corporate taxes, taxes on dividends, inheritance HiPointDem Apr 2013 #199

Perhaps in a future installment of the "Frances Perkins Story"... immoderate Apr 2013 #25

Larry O'D has always been a Reich-Wing Democrat. Just look at what he did to The West Wing. Egalitarian Thug Apr 2013 #29

Limo Liberal? maybe so. I say more like TheProgressive Apr 2013 #35

He's always been a Boston Democrat & rich kid. I don't think he's a bad person, but he is Egalitarian Thug Apr 2013 #50

You know nothing about O'Donnell. He is not from a rich Boston family. Please don't bluestate10 Apr 2013 #169

Perhaps you should try looking up a few facts yourself before getting your panties in a wad. Egalitarian Thug Apr 2013 #178

He's a socialist, a self described socialist CreekDog Apr 2013 #127

I'm a little green wagon with flames painted on the side. Egalitarian Thug Apr 2013 #136

Nothing like history. elleng Apr 2013 #31

So,in your world and LoD's world TheProgressive Apr 2013 #39

In their world the poor can go to hell. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2013 #56

Complete hyperbole. The poor don't go to hell, they is fact do ok. bluestate10 Apr 2013 #172

the poor "do ok"? ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2013 #179

3 words: RAISE-THE-CAP!! ErikJ Apr 2013 #34

Amazing, the 5% mob now wants to tear MSNBC down. Why not go to Fox & join with them? graham4anything Apr 2013 #38

Trolling hard or hardly trolling? ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2013 #42

NO Liberal would sell a civil rights hero like Elijah Cumming down the river. But Ron Paul would. graham4anything Apr 2013 #48

This is disconnected rambling nonsense. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2013 #51

rambling disconnected nonsense is that poster's speciality. he's a distractor. HiPointDem Apr 2013 #58

Baghdad Bob more like it neverforget Apr 2013 #67

Facts are a distraction to some, like those on the right that are acting like something else. bluestate10 Apr 2013 #175

the poster in question does not offer facts; he offers word salad and non-seq. HiPointDem Apr 2013 #191

Even if this is schtick...it's old. n/t NOVA_Dem Apr 2013 #43

Oh for christ's sake.. TheProgressive Apr 2013 #44

+1 kristopher Apr 2013 #70

Yes, Fox News is known for its concern for Social Security. Union Scribe Apr 2013 #74

I will fight to keep SS safe from Obama/Simpson/Bowles. If you want to drink the koolaide rhett o rick Apr 2013 #87

+1 n/t markpkessinger Apr 2013 #156

I challenged some of them. But they would rather keep posting under the cover bluestate10 Apr 2013 #174

I thought his piece was terribly fascinating and informative Samantha Apr 2013 #45

It isn't flaming... TheProgressive Apr 2013 #49

Thanks, Sam. elleng Apr 2013 #54

that's my opinion too.....I wonder if some posters want to taint the water for everyone Demonaut Apr 2013 #66

Remember when Larry tried to fight people on his show? ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2013 #47

Yawn. So get lost if you can't deal with it. Yes, I said that. babylonsister Apr 2013 #59

I really cannot believe you wrote that... TheProgressive Apr 2013 #63

Hold on! Where do you see anything voted into law? babylonsister Apr 2013 #68

+1 n/m Isoldeblue Apr 2013 #71

Yup. Reminds me of Ron Paul selfrighteousness. graham4anything Apr 2013 #79

So go back to the clubhouse. Yes, I said that. Union Scribe Apr 2013 #80

"Wait, watch, learn". Is that the new "sit down and shut up?" I am going to fight for keeping rhett o rick Apr 2013 #85

Not at all. babylonsister Apr 2013 #112

Interesting rhett o rick Apr 2013 #144

"I'm so tired of the 'righteous indignation'." Join the club! Number23 Apr 2013 #106

I am sure that Freepers are enjoying this fight. Some of the charges from the "principles" bluestate10 Apr 2013 #176

I'm sure some of them are right here stirring it. They do hate SS don't they? sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #205

what are you talking about???..he's not shilling..he's making an argument that SS is something the Demonaut Apr 2013 #61

Exactly. I think the OP missed the point. BlueStreak Apr 2013 #84

Frances Perkins & FDR liberal from boston Apr 2013 #102

Social Security liberal from boston Apr 2013 #115

I shut him off. let them see the ratings fall.......... SugarShack Apr 2013 #62

Exactly... I don;t need to watch the fox news equivalent for the 'liberal base' TheProgressive Apr 2013 #65

You just sounded like Skidmore Apr 2013 #142

LOL! Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #77

Very profound.... TheProgressive Apr 2013 #81

"Ok.. Fuck You Lawrence O'Donnell and MSNBC" hardly requires a profound response. Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #133

You're outing yourself as someone who is not interested in FACTS. Cha Apr 2013 #82

Yawn.... TheProgressive Apr 2013 #91

What a profound response. Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #134

+1 Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #135

SS should have nothing to do with budget debates. delrem Apr 2013 #88

Thanks for saying it! MSNBC if far from left wing. grahamhgreen Apr 2013 #90

Well, MSNBC sure did show their cards with C-cpi TheProgressive Apr 2013 #92

Pretty strong evidence that this guy is a troll: PBass Apr 2013 #104

What does she say? Maybe the reason that you are asking is that she hasn't said much. AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #113

Well, being called a troll is a first for me... TheProgressive Apr 2013 #141

MSNBC = Microshit and GE. Two very left wing organizations... Egalitarian Thug Apr 2013 #105

they showed their true colors when they cancelled Donahue because he was anti-war.nt boilerbabe Apr 2013 #110

we have divided govt. get over it. veganlush Apr 2013 #95

Go back to fucking school dude - Learn something!! LaPera Apr 2013 #97

We're going to get republicans because Obama & the democrats are going to be branded as HiPointDem Apr 2013 #109

THE REPUBLICANS AREN'T GOING TO SIGN ANY BUDGET DEAL! LaPera Apr 2013 #111

It doesn't matter *what* the republicans do. A democrat offered up cuts to SS in a recessionary HiPointDem Apr 2013 #119

Do you know how stupid that sounds Life Long Dem Apr 2013 #202

do you know how stupid *you* sound? 1) SS COLAs weren't even in effect until 1975, the result HiPointDem Apr 2013 #203

And your argument is weakening. babylonsister Apr 2013 #117

No argument, just the facts, ma'am. This is a politically damaging stunt. You folks are claiming HiPointDem Apr 2013 #118

People's reaction are like someone in Frankenstein's village. MOB action attacking graham4anything Apr 2013 #128

Excellent post ! nt jaysunb Apr 2013 #192

You know just saying that doesn't make it so, right? Union Scribe Apr 2013 #120

see my reply right above this. graham4anything Apr 2013 #129

A few things Union Scribe Apr 2013 #116

I agree and understand the yelling siligut Apr 2013 #158

Yup! burrowowl Apr 2013 #101

k&r avaistheone1 Apr 2013 #114

Lawrence O'Donnell behind the scenes- a revealing look at an arrogant blowhard green for victory Apr 2013 #123

O.K., I sat thru 7 of 11:29 minutes when my player jammed & saw nothing "arrogant blowhard" UTUSN Apr 2013 #159

I wonder if their ratings are down? PA Democrat Apr 2013 #137

I didn't see the show, and ProSense Apr 2013 #138

A link to the video of O'Donnell's Wednesday evening Rewrite segment referred to up in the OP Tx4obama Apr 2013 #147

Sounds like your "us" means me. treestar Apr 2013 #143

Hyperbole is the order of the day recently on DU. bluestate10 Apr 2013 #177

No kidding! treestar Apr 2013 #188

Here is my tweet to O'Donnell on the issue and this is his tweet back to me..What do you think? whathehell Apr 2013 #146

A link to the video of O'Donnell's Wednesday evening Rewrite segment referred to up in the OP Tx4obama Apr 2013 #148

I watched both his SS segments and no where does he explain why the changes Larkspur Apr 2013 #151

Agree strongly! ebbie15644 Apr 2013 #152

O'Donnell told the truth. Anyone that has really studied history should have known that. bluestate10 Apr 2013 #161

Programs are allowed and most times required to change with the times... TheProgressive Apr 2013 #163

Right on! Rider3 Apr 2013 #165

We Must Destroy the Village in order to Save It LarryNM Apr 2013 #171

I watched it. Jaw dropping. Faygo Kid Apr 2013 #180

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2013 #184

I have a feeling your DU existence will be short lived... TheProgressive Apr 2013 #186

How about "Fuck the Republicans who want to end these programs entirely."??? RBInMaine Apr 2013 #189

+1 Jamaal510 Apr 2013 #200

Maybe he needs the job. AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #201

Purely fallacious, as you are merely attacking the person treestar Apr 2013 #210