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150. The whole argument is "It's historically less than it is now,...

Fri Apr 12, 2013, 03:01 PM

Apr 2013

....and has been cut in the past by Dems in order to save it so what's all the fuss about?"

This ignores that current benefits are way below poverty levels to the point where recipients dependent on other programs like housing which can be cut off with a change in eligibility or budget cuts.

Today's reality is that workers have not had payroll increases to meet inflation so they simply don't have a "disposable income" to set aside for retirement. People are often one paycheck away from total ruin. There was a time not so long ago when the formula was no more than 1/4 of your income was to be for your housing. Another 1/4 was to go into general savings/life insurance/inheritance for your kids, another 1/4 went into a personal retirement fund and the last 1/4 was what you had to live it up now. That 1/4 was for everything from your winter coat to your meals out on the town to that new TV.

It also ignores the fact that since the Media has decided to claim Obama is a Liberal then everything he does is deemed "Liberal" so people go up to known Liberals and get in our face to defend things like drone strikes and now Social Security cuts.

Then they scoff at us for saying we don't support those things because "Our Guy" does.

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Ok.. Fuck You Lawrence O'Donnell and MSNBC [View all] TheProgressive Apr 2013 OP

O'Donnell and the rest of MSNBC are just corporate shills LittleBlue Apr 2013 #1

Not really -- Chris Hayes and Rachel Maddow are both speaking out against the CPI cuts to SS. whathehell Apr 2013 #122

Yes, they are, but I'd frankly rather hear Big Eddie on the case. He was sidelined on purpose, imho silvershadow Apr 2013 #183

Yep, I liked Big Eddie on earned benefits too, as well as on organized labor. I agree that whathehell Apr 2013 #185

I've been thinking he was sidelined on purpose too! ebbie15644 Apr 2013 #196

FDR must have been a corporate shill too treestar Apr 2013 #207

I don't like his Blue Link segments. rug Apr 2013 #2

He gave an interesting report on the background HISTORY. Tx4obama Apr 2013 #3

Sure. But what is the story then compared to today... TheProgressive Apr 2013 #9

the background history of democrats and republicans colluding to cut social security, so HiPointDem Apr 2013 #26

Yes and thanks, Tx4. elleng Apr 2013 #41

Do you want to call O'D a "job creator" too?? NOVA_Dem Apr 2013 #46

'Larry O'D has always been a Reich-Wing Democrat. Just look at what he did to The West Wing,' elleng Apr 2013 #53

He was a Senate staffer and a writer. NOVA_Dem Apr 2013 #124

He was elleng Apr 2013 #125

You still haven't listed employer. n/t NOVA_Dem Apr 2013 #126

Producer and Executive Producer RockaFowler Apr 2013 #140

Thanks. People don't know, care, or think, I guess. elleng Apr 2013 #145

He was a highly compensated employee and that's it Bluenorthwest Apr 2013 #139

Are you serious? Do you really think most of us have time to be concerned about some sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #52

Facts? dothemath Apr 2013 #75

No, that is NOT one of the facts I am referring to, dothemath. elleng Apr 2013 #78

And every bit of that history occurred before we got hit with the biggest depression eridani Apr 2013 #130

The whole argument is "It's historically less than it is now,... Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2013 #150

People need to watch the segment from last night and the one to come. The facts bluestate10 Apr 2013 #162

+1 kristopher Apr 2013 #170

Yes, fact are facts, but spin is also spin. And O'Donnell spun the facts like a top. merrily Apr 2013 #190

+1000000000000000000000 treestar Apr 2013 #206

Just raise the frigging cap... kentuck Apr 2013 #4

Well they got a 3% "break" in a sense, so you want to hit them with a 12%tax. Hoyt Apr 2013 #13

And what does the person that makes $110K per year pay? kentuck Apr 2013 #15

If you pay him 450k based benefits, maybe. But if you do that, you don't help SS fund much. Hoyt Apr 2013 #23

SS is only charged on first $110,100 for 2012, at 4.2% (and another 6.2% paid by employer) LooseWilly Apr 2013 #131

They pay pretty much the same. AAO Apr 2013 #149

So do I but S.S. is supposed to be a way to have security for the future and pay for it. Walk away Apr 2013 #154

I don't care what you call it - the cap should be raised. AAO Apr 2013 #157

Then should we make everything cost more if you make more money??? Walk away Apr 2013 #181

I think it should be proportionate to your ability to pay. It's truly patriotic. AAO Apr 2013 #182

I understand that you like it but it doesn't seem fair to me. Walk away Apr 2013 #187

not too many people making $450k on wages. tax capital, not labor. HiPointDem Apr 2013 #28

The cap is raised every year. You want to turn high earners against SS, make them fund 60% HiPointDem Apr 2013 #57

Absoutely!!!!!!!!!!!! nt Walk away Apr 2013 #155

I favor high earners paying in more to SS. But to have those people pay in at 6.2% all bluestate10 Apr 2013 #164

Well, that would be an improvement over lifting the cap altogether, but it has similar problems. HiPointDem Apr 2013 #193

Totally agree... tex-wyo-dem Apr 2013 #64

They need this first cut, so that more can follow. And there will be more cuts proposed after this. reformist2 Apr 2013 #5

That's just EXACTLY it. They want to get RID of SS. That way... Triana Apr 2013 #11

1977 Life Long Dem Apr 2013 #6

Nah, LoD was just being informative. madamesilverspurs Apr 2013 #7

Well, maybe you are a well off senior and disabled person who doesn't give a damn TheProgressive Apr 2013 #10

I'm not panicking over this. It's better to wait to hear more details of who is exempt, etc. n/t Tx4obama Apr 2013 #19

That's just it... SS and Medicare are not welfare and not subject to 'conditions' TheProgressive Apr 2013 #20

Well off??? madamesilverspurs Apr 2013 #27

Yet, you think it is ok if retirees receive less than is owed them... TheProgressive Apr 2013 #33

I said no such thing. madamesilverspurs Apr 2013 #37

The poster didn't write what you claimed. Let's take emotion out of this. bluestate10 Apr 2013 #166

Silly comment... Emotions are an important part of humanity.. TheProgressive Apr 2013 #173

Interestingly, the elderly, at the time treestar Apr 2013 #208

but it *does* provide pretty much *everything* for 1/3 of workers. and half or more for 2/3. HiPointDem Apr 2013 #32

You raise a reality of FDR's day that is not true now. bluestate10 Apr 2013 #167

Good, Thanks elleng Apr 2013 #36

+1 graham4anything Apr 2013 #40

You're right, history does matter... tex-wyo-dem Apr 2013 #93

so right - why can't these whiners who complain that they don't have enough income just sell off Douglas Carpenter Apr 2013 #100

This comfortable class that simply ignores what others are subjected to are the problem. Egalitarian Thug Apr 2013 #107

Should have heard Tweety earlier. zeeland Apr 2013 #8

Gee, millionaires telling us to do without? Who would have thought. JaneyVee Apr 2013 #12

From what I've seen of O'Donnell I don't like him Union Scribe Apr 2013 #14

Yep. I don't like his SMARMY persona. NOVA_Dem Apr 2013 #30

Yep, and this thread got me doing some more digging. Union Scribe Apr 2013 #60

ODonnel is the most left wing pundit on TV, bar none kristopher Apr 2013 #69

That's probably not saying much. Union Scribe Apr 2013 #72

No, you should just pay more attention kristopher Apr 2013 #76

BFD. You can call yourself anything. Union Scribe Apr 2013 #83

So you clearly and unquestionably do NOT watch his show. kristopher Apr 2013 #86

Perhaps you "should pay more attention" Union Scribe Apr 2013 #89

I saw that segment with Grayson navarth Apr 2013 #153

Or maybe, are paying close attention to what he does and ignoring what he says. n/t Egalitarian Thug Apr 2013 #94

Pay attention to what he "does" not what he says? kristopher Apr 2013 #96

And you are showing that you have no idea of what you're talking about. Egalitarian Thug Apr 2013 #98

your previous post said everything I ever need to know about your opinion. kristopher Apr 2013 #99

You're going to spend a lot of time shaking your head if you never bother to learn. Egalitarian Thug Apr 2013 #103

14 mocking emoticons says everything we need to know carolinayellowdog Apr 2013 #121

O'Donnell is a self described Socialist. He has consistently fought for what was right. nt bluestate10 Apr 2013 #168

Care to list some of these Herculean tasks that this multimillionaire has undertaken in Egalitarian Thug Apr 2013 #204

Talk about attacking the messenger treestar Apr 2013 #209

And remember this my fellow real Americans... it is for $12B per year of OUR money.. TheProgressive Apr 2013 #16

Had the same thought. I just tweeted him and told octoberlib Apr 2013 #17

The cuts won't stop until it's been destroyed neverforget Apr 2013 #18

Sure, Social Security was supposed to be part of a three legged stool... tokenlib Apr 2013 #21

Well said...and exactly correct. TheProgressive Apr 2013 #22

Well said. Not to mention crippling heath care and energy costs (Remember the cackling about soaking myrna minx Apr 2013 #160

O'Donnell explained that we're supposed to get more back than Progressive dog Apr 2013 #24

"Then he pointed out that now the higher earners won't." = the first salvo in turning this key HiPointDem Apr 2013 #55

that's correct Progressive dog Apr 2013 #73

They *are* trying to get rid of it, & people should at least get what they put in -- as they HiPointDem Apr 2013 #108

It is not a welfare program, it is an insurance program Progressive dog Apr 2013 #132

It will be a welfare program when the top 10% of earners is funding the majority of it. HiPointDem Apr 2013 #194

You are joking, among developed countries Progressive dog Apr 2013 #195

no, i'm not joking. you want a welfare program, tax capital, not workers. HiPointDem Apr 2013 #197

How do you tax capital? Progressive dog Apr 2013 #198

you're ignorant, then. capital gains tax, corporate taxes, taxes on dividends, inheritance HiPointDem Apr 2013 #199

Perhaps in a future installment of the "Frances Perkins Story"... immoderate Apr 2013 #25

Larry O'D has always been a Reich-Wing Democrat. Just look at what he did to The West Wing. Egalitarian Thug Apr 2013 #29

Limo Liberal? maybe so. I say more like TheProgressive Apr 2013 #35

He's always been a Boston Democrat & rich kid. I don't think he's a bad person, but he is Egalitarian Thug Apr 2013 #50

You know nothing about O'Donnell. He is not from a rich Boston family. Please don't bluestate10 Apr 2013 #169

Perhaps you should try looking up a few facts yourself before getting your panties in a wad. Egalitarian Thug Apr 2013 #178

He's a socialist, a self described socialist CreekDog Apr 2013 #127

I'm a little green wagon with flames painted on the side. Egalitarian Thug Apr 2013 #136

Nothing like history. elleng Apr 2013 #31

So,in your world and LoD's world TheProgressive Apr 2013 #39

In their world the poor can go to hell. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2013 #56

Complete hyperbole. The poor don't go to hell, they is fact do ok. bluestate10 Apr 2013 #172

the poor "do ok"? ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2013 #179

3 words: RAISE-THE-CAP!! ErikJ Apr 2013 #34

Amazing, the 5% mob now wants to tear MSNBC down. Why not go to Fox & join with them? graham4anything Apr 2013 #38

Trolling hard or hardly trolling? ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2013 #42

NO Liberal would sell a civil rights hero like Elijah Cumming down the river. But Ron Paul would. graham4anything Apr 2013 #48

This is disconnected rambling nonsense. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2013 #51

rambling disconnected nonsense is that poster's speciality. he's a distractor. HiPointDem Apr 2013 #58

Baghdad Bob more like it neverforget Apr 2013 #67

Facts are a distraction to some, like those on the right that are acting like something else. bluestate10 Apr 2013 #175

the poster in question does not offer facts; he offers word salad and non-seq. HiPointDem Apr 2013 #191

Even if this is schtick...it's old. n/t NOVA_Dem Apr 2013 #43

Oh for christ's sake.. TheProgressive Apr 2013 #44

+1 kristopher Apr 2013 #70

Yes, Fox News is known for its concern for Social Security. Union Scribe Apr 2013 #74

I will fight to keep SS safe from Obama/Simpson/Bowles. If you want to drink the koolaide rhett o rick Apr 2013 #87

+1 n/t markpkessinger Apr 2013 #156

I challenged some of them. But they would rather keep posting under the cover bluestate10 Apr 2013 #174

I thought his piece was terribly fascinating and informative Samantha Apr 2013 #45

It isn't flaming... TheProgressive Apr 2013 #49

Thanks, Sam. elleng Apr 2013 #54

that's my opinion too.....I wonder if some posters want to taint the water for everyone Demonaut Apr 2013 #66

Remember when Larry tried to fight people on his show? ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2013 #47

Yawn. So get lost if you can't deal with it. Yes, I said that. babylonsister Apr 2013 #59

I really cannot believe you wrote that... TheProgressive Apr 2013 #63

Hold on! Where do you see anything voted into law? babylonsister Apr 2013 #68

+1 n/m Isoldeblue Apr 2013 #71

Yup. Reminds me of Ron Paul selfrighteousness. graham4anything Apr 2013 #79

So go back to the clubhouse. Yes, I said that. Union Scribe Apr 2013 #80

"Wait, watch, learn". Is that the new "sit down and shut up?" I am going to fight for keeping rhett o rick Apr 2013 #85

Not at all. babylonsister Apr 2013 #112

Interesting rhett o rick Apr 2013 #144

"I'm so tired of the 'righteous indignation'." Join the club! Number23 Apr 2013 #106

I am sure that Freepers are enjoying this fight. Some of the charges from the "principles" bluestate10 Apr 2013 #176

I'm sure some of them are right here stirring it. They do hate SS don't they? sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #205

what are you talking about???..he's not shilling..he's making an argument that SS is something the Demonaut Apr 2013 #61

Exactly. I think the OP missed the point. BlueStreak Apr 2013 #84

Frances Perkins & FDR liberal from boston Apr 2013 #102

Social Security liberal from boston Apr 2013 #115

I shut him off. let them see the ratings fall.......... SugarShack Apr 2013 #62

Exactly... I don;t need to watch the fox news equivalent for the 'liberal base' TheProgressive Apr 2013 #65

You just sounded like Skidmore Apr 2013 #142

LOL! Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #77

Very profound.... TheProgressive Apr 2013 #81

"Ok.. Fuck You Lawrence O'Donnell and MSNBC" hardly requires a profound response. Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #133

You're outing yourself as someone who is not interested in FACTS. Cha Apr 2013 #82

Yawn.... TheProgressive Apr 2013 #91

What a profound response. Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #134

+1 Buzz Clik Apr 2013 #135

SS should have nothing to do with budget debates. delrem Apr 2013 #88

Thanks for saying it! MSNBC if far from left wing. grahamhgreen Apr 2013 #90

Well, MSNBC sure did show their cards with C-cpi TheProgressive Apr 2013 #92

Pretty strong evidence that this guy is a troll: PBass Apr 2013 #104

What does she say? Maybe the reason that you are asking is that she hasn't said much. AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #113

Well, being called a troll is a first for me... TheProgressive Apr 2013 #141

MSNBC = Microshit and GE. Two very left wing organizations... Egalitarian Thug Apr 2013 #105

they showed their true colors when they cancelled Donahue because he was anti-war.nt boilerbabe Apr 2013 #110

we have divided govt. get over it. veganlush Apr 2013 #95

Go back to fucking school dude - Learn something!! LaPera Apr 2013 #97

We're going to get republicans because Obama & the democrats are going to be branded as HiPointDem Apr 2013 #109

THE REPUBLICANS AREN'T GOING TO SIGN ANY BUDGET DEAL! LaPera Apr 2013 #111

It doesn't matter *what* the republicans do. A democrat offered up cuts to SS in a recessionary HiPointDem Apr 2013 #119

Do you know how stupid that sounds Life Long Dem Apr 2013 #202

do you know how stupid *you* sound? 1) SS COLAs weren't even in effect until 1975, the result HiPointDem Apr 2013 #203

And your argument is weakening. babylonsister Apr 2013 #117

No argument, just the facts, ma'am. This is a politically damaging stunt. You folks are claiming HiPointDem Apr 2013 #118

People's reaction are like someone in Frankenstein's village. MOB action attacking graham4anything Apr 2013 #128

Excellent post ! nt jaysunb Apr 2013 #192

You know just saying that doesn't make it so, right? Union Scribe Apr 2013 #120

see my reply right above this. graham4anything Apr 2013 #129

A few things Union Scribe Apr 2013 #116

I agree and understand the yelling siligut Apr 2013 #158

Yup! burrowowl Apr 2013 #101

k&r avaistheone1 Apr 2013 #114

Lawrence O'Donnell behind the scenes- a revealing look at an arrogant blowhard green for victory Apr 2013 #123

O.K., I sat thru 7 of 11:29 minutes when my player jammed & saw nothing "arrogant blowhard" UTUSN Apr 2013 #159

I wonder if their ratings are down? PA Democrat Apr 2013 #137

I didn't see the show, and ProSense Apr 2013 #138

A link to the video of O'Donnell's Wednesday evening Rewrite segment referred to up in the OP Tx4obama Apr 2013 #147

Sounds like your "us" means me. treestar Apr 2013 #143

Hyperbole is the order of the day recently on DU. bluestate10 Apr 2013 #177

No kidding! treestar Apr 2013 #188

Here is my tweet to O'Donnell on the issue and this is his tweet back to me..What do you think? whathehell Apr 2013 #146

A link to the video of O'Donnell's Wednesday evening Rewrite segment referred to up in the OP Tx4obama Apr 2013 #148

I watched both his SS segments and no where does he explain why the changes Larkspur Apr 2013 #151

Agree strongly! ebbie15644 Apr 2013 #152

O'Donnell told the truth. Anyone that has really studied history should have known that. bluestate10 Apr 2013 #161

Programs are allowed and most times required to change with the times... TheProgressive Apr 2013 #163

Right on! Rider3 Apr 2013 #165

We Must Destroy the Village in order to Save It LarryNM Apr 2013 #171

I watched it. Jaw dropping. Faygo Kid Apr 2013 #180

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2013 #184

I have a feeling your DU existence will be short lived... TheProgressive Apr 2013 #186

How about "Fuck the Republicans who want to end these programs entirely."??? RBInMaine Apr 2013 #189

+1 Jamaal510 Apr 2013 #200

Maybe he needs the job. AnotherMcIntosh Apr 2013 #201

Purely fallacious, as you are merely attacking the person treestar Apr 2013 #210