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Summer Hathaway

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92. Sorry, but this discussion is ridiculous.

Fri Apr 12, 2013, 04:20 PM

Apr 2013

How do they have 'cover' for making detrimental changes to SS if they are campaigning on (as some here allege they will) having refused to accept chained CPI in order to protect SS?

"Yeah, we fought tooth-and-nail against that chained CPI thing - but now we're going to pursue much deeper cuts than CPI would have resulted in."

That makes sense. Sure.

Or maybe they can go with we were against the SS program, and then we were for it, and now we're against it again.

Obama (or any other president) putting something on the table during a negotiation process is not even remotely the same as having agreed with it. Negotiation means offering something you DON'T agree with, in order to prompt the other side to accept something THEY don't agree with.

Of course, in this specific instance, the fact that the GOP will not accept ANYTHING Obama proposes - even the very things they claim to want - demonstrates their lack of good faith in the negotiation process overall.

And that lack of good faith being demonstrated for all to see is the name of this game.

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Never. Gonna. Happen. [View all] cliffordu Apr 2013 OP

That whooshing sound was another point flying right over your head. n/t Egalitarian Thug Apr 2013 #1

True that. n/t ohheckyeah Apr 2013 #3

Well, gee. cliffordu Apr 2013 #5

Don't buy your argument newthinking Apr 2013 #29

Why on earth would you think they were surprised by the response? bornskeptic Apr 2013 #148

Surprised by the breadth of the response newthinking Apr 2013 #150

You're counting on GOP obstinance for the wrong thing. Nuclear Unicorn Apr 2013 #45

That may be, and I hope you're right. BUT... CaliforniaPeggy Apr 2013 #2

Your right, it is WRONG! GiveMeFreedom Apr 2013 #17

My dear GiveMeFreedom! CaliforniaPeggy Apr 2013 #21

Agreed Liberalynn Apr 2013 #65

I don't see anybody having the vapors. ohheckyeah Apr 2013 #4

That politics is politics. cliffordu Apr 2013 #8

For many people that isn't the point. ohheckyeah Apr 2013 #10

Keep Watching. cliffordu Apr 2013 #11

I've been watching and haven't ohheckyeah Apr 2013 #13

you act as if he always one ups Skittles Apr 2013 #111

SS is not politics, it is the people's fund. sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #18

So clifford, if we are ever in the same room and I'm bluffing at cards and you know it Bluenorthwest Apr 2013 #43

Seriously, this "bluff" line is just so stupid. Marr Apr 2013 #73

No one is claiming Summer Hathaway Apr 2013 #79

I'm sorry, really-- but that's even more absurd. Marr Apr 2013 #81

"No one is reading it that way ... Summer Hathaway Apr 2013 #82

Which would back up my point. Marr Apr 2013 #83

Im sure the voters will be real upset with the GOP quakerboy Apr 2013 #84

And where does that refusal leave the Republicans? Summer Hathaway Apr 2013 #86

Right where they are right now, except stronger quakerboy Apr 2013 #89

Sorry, but this discussion is ridiculous. Summer Hathaway Apr 2013 #92

You are wrong on all counts except the first quakerboy Apr 2013 #94

As I said, this discussion is ridiculous. Summer Hathaway Apr 2013 #96

If you are gonna use a poker analogy HangOnKids Apr 2013 #80

Zee shpeling police arrive and cliffordu Apr 2013 #85

Agreed...He's playing poker with a bunch of selfish, evil, dumb bunnies! Auntie Bush Apr 2013 #107

If he hadn't put this in his budget proposal madokie Apr 2013 #6

Yep - he included it as an inoculation. cliffordu Apr 2013 #9

Without a fucking doubt madokie Apr 2013 #14

Claiming it is an innoculation is like an arsonist claiming he is preventing future fires. Demo_Chris Apr 2013 #33

And he's on record with the false belief that SS contributes to the deficit. That's what burns Nay Apr 2013 #67

+1, Yep-- this excuse-making has become a bad joke. Marr Apr 2013 #74

Well.. Your post is both educational and enlightening. cliffordu Apr 2013 #133

What you said cliffordu Apr 2013 #16

I was told by his supporters that he included it to show the public how awful Republicans are. sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #20

sorry madokie Apr 2013 #23

Sounds like you've been Summer Hathaway Apr 2013 #30

I saw what you did there.... cliffordu Apr 2013 #39

I think so too, considering who told me why this president put this awful proposal in the budget. sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #78

No one is lying to you, Sabrina Summer Hathaway Apr 2013 #95

Republicans did ask him to sacrifice SS, no one is calling that a lie. sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #102

Do you understand how negotiation towards compromise works? Summer Hathaway Apr 2013 #104

I understand it very well. You give a LITTLE and they give a LOT if you are a good negotiator and sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #105

In other words Summer Hathaway Apr 2013 #106

SS had nothing to do with the Deficit. Any Democrat who perpetuates that Republican lie sabrina 1 Apr 2013 #113

"SS had nothing to do with the Deficit." Summer Hathaway Apr 2013 #115

You know, it's one thing when you just spout nonsense... Marr Apr 2013 #141

Well, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. Summer Hathaway Apr 2013 #144

You can disagree all you like, but you're just wrong. Marr Apr 2013 #146

I have redefined nothing. Summer Hathaway Apr 2013 #147

If it's never going to happen then why offer it? magellan Apr 2013 #7

He made sure it won't be happening madokie Apr 2013 #15

Does the budget not have to be passed by the Senate? magellan Apr 2013 #24

You can lead a horse to water madokie Apr 2013 #25

Ditto with your horse and water magellan Apr 2013 #28

But most Americans Summer Hathaway Apr 2013 #118

Sure they are magellan Apr 2013 #124

The fact that you Summer Hathaway Apr 2013 #125

I find it amusing magellan Apr 2013 #127

Recognizing the behavior of children Summer Hathaway Apr 2013 #129

And more name-calling magellan Apr 2013 #130

That's the point. Summer Hathaway Apr 2013 #134

And they're still here magellan Apr 2013 #135

As I said at the outset Summer Hathaway Apr 2013 #136

Not willing to share examples of your previous mother-henning, then? magellan Apr 2013 #137

Calling a child a 'child' Summer Hathaway Apr 2013 #138

It would seem that the vast majority of DUers you accuse of being "children" magellan Apr 2013 #140

Haha! Summer Hathaway Apr 2013 #142

For someone who's not too concerned with what goes on here magellan Apr 2013 #149

Truth be told Summer Hathaway Apr 2013 #151

Then you're getting what you want magellan Apr 2013 #153

Ain't whining Summer Hathaway Apr 2013 #160

Perhpas putting aside the 'poker' analogy and read some on negotiations Sheepshank Apr 2013 #75

Sure magellan Apr 2013 #77

but Dem Presidents have touched and proposed changes in the past Sheepshank Apr 2013 #87

If you're talking about the negotiations between Clinton and Gingrich magellan Apr 2013 #99

The statement that Dem Presidents have not touched SS is an outright lie Sheepshank Apr 2013 #121

And it isn't something I personally said magellan Apr 2013 #123

As was your initial response, not acknoweldging what I said, but changing the subject. Sheepshank Apr 2013 #156

Again, I never stated that no Dem president had touched SS before magellan Apr 2013 #158

This isn't happening in a vacuum. Marr Apr 2013 #143

Then why not propose a 94% tax on the hoading class instead? grahamhgreen Apr 2013 #12

no it's not going to happend - because even suggesting it causes an uproar. Imagine what the powers Douglas Carpenter Apr 2013 #19

They won't... TreasonousBastard Apr 2013 #22

You're lying because you are crying. Hair on fire would seem to be a requirement to set the scene. TheKentuckian Apr 2013 #26

All it takes for it to "happen"...is for good men to do nothing stanchaz Apr 2013 #27

If I had a buck Summer Hathaway Apr 2013 #31

Well.... cliffordu Apr 2013 #41

I agree daybranch Apr 2013 #32

"Yearly Handout"? JHB Apr 2013 #34

Yeah the fucking COLA cliffordu Apr 2013 #76

Says a lot about where he stands, doesn't it? bananas Apr 2013 #116

I thought the same thing about Freedom of Speech and the Right to Free assembly. dtom67 Apr 2013 #35

What? pipi_k Apr 2013 #49

That's either a lame attempt at sarcasm or an admission of life under a rock Occulus Apr 2013 #100

+1000 n/t truebluegreen Apr 2013 #110

What part of... sendero Apr 2013 #36

are you being deliberately obtuse? cali Apr 2013 #37

I see it the same way you and madokie do... liberalla Apr 2013 #38

Cliff says 'if your friend is bluffing in poker and you know it, tell everyone in the room' Bluenorthwest Apr 2013 #44

oh yeah, it's great to have democrats filibustering a democratic presidents bill. boston bean Apr 2013 #40

Don't you think the Dems in Congress ever talk to the Prez? cliffordu Apr 2013 #42

It. Already. Fucking. Happened. WilliamPitt Apr 2013 #46

Well said Will. Bluenorthwest Apr 2013 #47

Thank you! WilliamPitt Apr 2013 #50

I don't know about you, but I liked it when boston bean Apr 2013 #48

Leave it to a new dad to see the big picture... VOX Apr 2013 #59

you act as if Democrats are defenseless to block this in the legislature bigtree Apr 2013 #61

You're missing the point. WilliamPitt Apr 2013 #63

I can't disagree that it just sucks to have to push off of your own party's president bigtree Apr 2013 #69

Bravo bigtree. Auntie Bush Apr 2013 #108

Damage control time marions ghost Apr 2013 #66

Yeah, well said. I'm stunned by the people on DU who cannot see that the offer itself is Nay Apr 2013 #68

Here's a hint: they see it VERY WELL. Occulus Apr 2013 #88

True--I can generally suss out the trolls, but sometimes I read somebody who's been here Nay Apr 2013 #90

"You live in a world where a Democratic President put Social Security on the table during a deficit Number23 Apr 2013 #128

WHAT happened, Will? jazzimov Apr 2013 #159

"Jerkin the gherkin" riqster Apr 2013 #51

I Will Happily Exchange fredamae Apr 2013 #52

It's already happened. Democrats want to take away your social security. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2013 #53

"Democrats want to take away Social Security" Larrylarry Apr 2013 #56

We'll see who is "panicking" come the 2014 midterms, 99Forever Apr 2013 #54

I dunno what you mean cliffordu Apr 2013 #58

We'll see about that. n/t 99Forever Apr 2013 #60

"He's about to deliver another lesson." Lol - Really! demwing Apr 2013 #55

+1 Exactly. nt snappyturtle Apr 2013 #62

Indeed. nt woo me with science Apr 2013 #139

My friends jumped all over me for yelling fire in a crowded elevator.... kentuck Apr 2013 #57

Are all your friends blind? randome Apr 2013 #64

Appears to be the case... kentuck Apr 2013 #72

It's playing Russian Roulette... TDale313 Apr 2013 #70

This is like releasing an attempted purse snatcher, because the police caught him. Marr Apr 2013 #71

and when it doesn't happen (which it never was going to), the disgruntled PUMAS and greens on DU dionysus Apr 2013 #91

Oh, REALLY! Summer Hathaway Apr 2013 #152

Good luck convincing the Obama-Hater Club of anything, particularly anything that appears.... OldDem2012 Apr 2013 #93

We know it is not going to happen. But he just killed our chances in the mid-terms. ieoeja Apr 2013 #97

Defeatist, much?? cliffordu Apr 2013 #98

Obama is playing 3 dinensional chess with checker players. Auntie Bush Apr 2013 #109

Oh, I think he's playing a kind of 3 dimensional chess. Marr Apr 2013 #145

You completely miss the point bowens43 Apr 2013 #101

Of course. DevonRex Apr 2013 #103

Let Obama play 7th level chess on his own dime, not mine. avaistheone1 Apr 2013 #112

If it's never going to happen, then why not offer a tax rate of 40% or higher on the neverforget Apr 2013 #114

Precisely. I'd like to know the answer to that question too. avaistheone1 Apr 2013 #117

I don't think I am going to get an answer on this one neverforget Apr 2013 #120

Kick and Rec, Clifford Hekate Apr 2013 #119

I agree. Sacred cows and ideological purity are for teabaggers bhikkhu Apr 2013 #122

If it's not going to happen, then why propose it? Laelth Apr 2013 #126

Gosh. I'm SO relieved! truebluegreen Apr 2013 #131

I dunno, do ya?? cliffordu Apr 2013 #132

Well, I guess I did, for you. nt truebluegreen Apr 2013 #157

Never say never. obxhead Apr 2013 #154

Lol, so basically you believe the chess shit! n-t Logical Apr 2013 #155