Never. Gonna. Happen.

[quakerboy]

94. You are wrong on all counts except the first

This is a ridiculous discussion.

1) have you ever noticed a republican having any problem lying, cheating, or decieving?

They will be more than happy to vote Obamas bill down due to tax increases(or just to spite Obama), claim to have done it to protect Social Security, and then come back with a senate and house majority 2 years later and pass the same thing or worse while claiming to be doing it to protect social security.

And most of the press will be on their side through the entire thing. Its not a fair nor balanced system. We benefit when we can prove them unmitigated liars. We hurt ourselves when we give them the kernel of truth to built their lies on.

2) Negotiation is not offering something you dont agree with. Thats like walking into a car dealer and offering them 20% over sticker, but only if they remove the windshield and take off the warranty. Negotiation generally is each side saying here's what *I* want, and then coming to some agreement thats not quite either, but both sides can agree on.

Unfortunately "good faith" is not on display. At least no more than every day since Obama became president. Republicans hate him. Anyone paying the least bit of attention is fully aware of that. I would be willing to bet my last dwindling few dollars that there isnt a single person who has been/will be elucidated on that point by this fiasco. We all know it already. If that is why the president has done this, he is really really out of touch, and has just made a huge blunder, which he needs to fix ASAP

Obama going back on his word, in regards to a terribly important (and popular) program is on display. That's the part that will be remembered.