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MichelleB

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101. Good Advice!!

Sat Apr 13, 2013, 01:50 AM

Apr 2013

I already started with the "you're not hanging with your buddies". And the first night she ended up taking off on the babysitter and ended up at his house!! I didn't let it go over either. I had the cops on her in two hours. She didn't like me much then. I simply explained, I have two kids and can't take off when ever I wanna. Nor can you. :/ took her cell and all her freedoms. If I hadn't trusted her in the first place, we wouldn't be here trying to figure out what to do. She says "don't blame your self. I lied." So I think she gets it but as a parent we blame ourselves for all. I just dk other then what u said, how else to slap her with reality. She'll be just barely over 13 when she births. What about when she's 15?? An all her friends are partying an having fun?? Or college?? Or anything??

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"MY 12 year old is pregnant. FOR REAL."... [View all] TeeYiYi Apr 2013 OP

Can't force anyone, even a minor, to have an abortion lolly Apr 2013 #1

That is such a surprise to me... TeeYiYi Apr 2013 #4

People are in control of their own bodies. Age is not an impediment to self-determination in that MADem Apr 2013 #106

He's 15. ..nt TeeYiYi Apr 2013 #109

If he even exists. MADem Apr 2013 #115

Her story is real... TeeYiYi Apr 2013 #122

It's not hard to fire up a FB page--it's pretty easy, in fact. MADem Apr 2013 #125

Wow... TeeYiYi Apr 2013 #131

.... MEEE too!! MichelleB Apr 2013 #140

My dog has a facebook page several yrs old. Just because someone has a facebook page does not mean uppityperson Apr 2013 #153

Well... TeeYiYi Apr 2013 #157

It could be her but I am not convinced it isn't trolling, looking for anti-choice stuff to uppityperson Apr 2013 #159

Just a cursory look at her facebook page... TeeYiYi Apr 2013 #162

I did not ask for it. She said "Check out my Facebook!!" I replied "What facebook?" Quit saying I uppityperson Apr 2013 #169

Umad bro?... TeeYiYi Apr 2013 #173

what "involvement"? Asking for clarification of a post? Oh dearie me. How DARE I do something uppityperson Apr 2013 #174

You asked. She posted. TeeYiYi Apr 2013 #183

You aren't sure why I'm being "so defensive". Gotcha. uppityperson Apr 2013 #184

It happens a lot, which is why people are skeptical octothorpe Apr 2013 #205

People have been faking facebook pages since 2009.... MADem Apr 2013 #289

I suspect something is going on. TexasTowelie Apr 2013 #303

The anti-gay snark she posted in this thread is something else. MADem Apr 2013 #305

This is quite true. However, at 12 years old, an early abortion is safer PDJane Apr 2013 #53

No, she can't. But they can limit contact with the boyfriend pnwmom Apr 2013 #61

Limit contact by sending him to jail for raping a 12 year old. nt MADem Apr 2013 #107

I wonder how old he is? n/t pnwmom Apr 2013 #128

According to the OP, 15. white_wolf Apr 2013 #130

Assuming the guy in question is only 15 and it was truly consensual then it wouldn't be rape. white_wolf Apr 2013 #129

The laws are different in each state. Ms. Toad Apr 2013 #138

Apparently, if the victim is 12, it IS rape. Keep reading the thread. A crime was committed. MADem Apr 2013 #292

He's 15. He wouldn't get sent to Jail. cali Apr 2013 #176

Depends on the state laws jeff47 Apr 2013 #180

I live in Vermont. I don't know if he could be charged. I do know that if charged cali Apr 2013 #182

According to what I looked up, he can be charged with sexual assault kdmorris Apr 2013 #215

Charge him with assault and battery. nt MADem Apr 2013 #288

very, very unlikely to happen in this situation where he too is under the age cali Apr 2013 #297

Hee hee!!! MADem Apr 2013 #299

its a trap! ret5hd Apr 2013 #2

Yup. REP Apr 2013 #3

What kind of trap? TeeYiYi Apr 2013 #5

The kind where we liberals root for a 12-year-old to be forced to have an abortion against her will REP Apr 2013 #10

Oh. TeeYiYi Apr 2013 #14

I don't have kids, either; but I do have a black belt in pro-choice :-) REP Apr 2013 #47

I know you're right and I agree with you... TeeYiYi Apr 2013 #57

Social worker MichelleB Apr 2013 #73

You're in a tough situation... TeeYiYi Apr 2013 #75

If she's no longer allowed to see the boyfriend Mariana Apr 2013 #79

Why has the 3 yr older boy not been reported for statutory rape? uppityperson Apr 2013 #88

In the state of Vermont MichelleB Apr 2013 #95

That does not appear to be true kdmorris Apr 2013 #154

Things cops never told me.... MichelleB Apr 2013 #164

and the doctor you took her to didn't report it to the cops? arely staircase Apr 2013 #233

No. MichelleB Apr 2013 #252

Doctors in Vermont are mandated reporters. Here is the info. They have to. Within 24 hrs. Period. uppityperson Apr 2013 #261

I'm smelling a very large rat, here--it was a wee mouse before. Now it's a honking water rat! MADem Apr 2013 #290

If you are responsible for your Daughter, Turbineguy Apr 2013 #145

you're contradicting yourself. You're claiming that your daughter has only cali Apr 2013 #147

On the news, in social media, perhaps in a hijacked "Health" class or 2. TheMadMonk Apr 2013 #257

not in Vermont will you find a highjacked health class. No way. not in public school. cali Apr 2013 #264

May well be a bullshit story. But that is not the nit I'm picking. TheMadMonk Apr 2013 #274

"How does a twelve year old who has only heard of abortion referred to as murder, make it??" Arugula Latte Apr 2013 #282

A doctor should be involved in every pregnancy, period REP Apr 2013 #190

I'm so with you on this one.... FarPoint Apr 2013 #229

:) Horse with no Name Apr 2013 #327

Exactly. My bullshit detector is pinned. Warpy Apr 2013 #33

Yes, I was thinking that too lolly Apr 2013 #40

I noticed that too gollygee Apr 2013 #68

Then what was wrong with me? Fawke Em Apr 2013 #72

Should be NO SWELLING MichelleB Apr 2013 #135

Happened to my sister... onpatrol98 Apr 2013 #255

Knew it was a fake post at "gallevanting" alphafemale Apr 2013 #143

my fraud detector is going off riverbendviewgal Apr 2013 #150

I have a feeling you might be correct. TexasTowelie Apr 2013 #302

Sounds like something an O'Keefe flavored RWinger would pose. DirkGently Apr 2013 #199

You nailed it. It STINKS of O'Keefe type shit. cali Apr 2013 #268

Makes me wonder why it is still here Hekate Apr 2013 #322

It's funny how they feel they have to add something to make it more awful treestar Apr 2013 #269

Yes. Something's off here. Squinch Apr 2013 #43

That's what I thought Hekate Apr 2013 #96

I was wondering that myself. Why DU of all places? white_wolf Apr 2013 #132

And coming to an ARCHIVED thread to breach the topic, to boot....! MADem Apr 2013 #291

This situation only makes me want to really watch who my granddaughter and wonder who she southernyankeebelle Apr 2013 #6

Is this where we all say "Cool story, bro!" Quantess Apr 2013 #7

Possibly. TeeYiYi Apr 2013 #8

Yeah, I hate to say this since the story could be true, but I think we are being trolled. white_wolf Apr 2013 #134

She's no troll. Her story is true... TeeYiYi Apr 2013 #136

Fair enough. I'll admit I'm biased in this because... white_wolf Apr 2013 #137

Thank you white Wolfe MichelleB Apr 2013 #141

This sucks. But women own their own bodies. bravenak Apr 2013 #9

A 12-year old girl is not a woman. Sheldon Cooper Apr 2013 #52

Tell that to her ovaries. bravenak Apr 2013 #56

She still owns her body Warpy Apr 2013 #65

Frankly, this sounds like -- Hell Hath No Fury Apr 2013 #11

Wtf??? Control-Z Apr 2013 #13

Don't think it was meant that way lolly Apr 2013 #44

Exactly my point. Hell Hath No Fury Apr 2013 #46

I guess it did. Control-Z Apr 2013 #51

I caught one once Hekate Apr 2013 #98

Post removed Post removed Apr 2013 #12

Those 3 posts were in the middle of the night. TeeYiYi Apr 2013 #15

I'm not holding my breath dlwickham Apr 2013 #41

You won't need to... TeeYiYi Apr 2013 #77

So let the 12 year old have the baby. It's really not that big of a deal. cbdo2007 Apr 2013 #16

Wow. Just. Wow. IdaBriggs Apr 2013 #18

Shocking, isn't it? Control-Z Apr 2013 #20

I am wondering if it was made under the assumption it is a "troll" post. IdaBriggs Apr 2013 #22

This entire thread is Control-Z Apr 2013 #36

Not sure what the shock is all about.... cbdo2007 Apr 2013 #25

The mother stated that the girl lied to her about where / who IdaBriggs Apr 2013 #27

OMG!! Thank you!! MichelleB Apr 2013 #84

You do have a say. And you should get a lawyer. And you should be there in the exam room. Hekate Apr 2013 #100

She has no say here. We have a son who was 16 and we were not allowed to see his test results even NotThisTime Apr 2013 #142

You're inferring a lot there Floyd_Gondolli Apr 2013 #28

Wow. Those are some very interesting assumptions. n/t gollygee Apr 2013 #69

Not sure if serious slackmaster Apr 2013 #54

Mother cannot do anything leftynyc Apr 2013 #17

This is not for real dem in texas Apr 2013 #19

Good lord, you read my mind. Great summary of what I find off about this. uppityperson Apr 2013 #26

yep. popped in to say the same thing. RudynJack Apr 2013 #70

This is a shitty place to get medical/preganancy/legal advice, anyway.... MADem Apr 2013 #112

Really?? MichelleB Apr 2013 #126

I know a lot about Vermont. I've lived here for 35 years. In the Kingdom. cali Apr 2013 #148

Tell that to DCF MichelleB Apr 2013 #167

Are you calling cali a liar? I agree, "You CAN'T tell where a person is from by the way they text.. uppityperson Apr 2013 #171

I don't have any doubt that this poster is NOT from Vermont. cali Apr 2013 #179

I agree with you.. Tender to the Bone Apr 2013 #213

Post removed Post removed Apr 2013 #251

Hello? Did you read my post? I've lived here for fucking decades. In the Kingdom. Odd as hell cali Apr 2013 #177

Yeaaa and im in Winooski!! MichelleB Apr 2013 #249

Sneakers. IF You're from Winooski. You should know exactly what I'm referring to cali Apr 2013 #267

So pro-choice means anti-parent??? ret5hd Apr 2013 #239

WTF are you on about with that "PRO GAY" remark? You're definitely in the wrong place. MADem Apr 2013 #304

My scam radar is also going off. FarPoint Apr 2013 #227

Umm... "She was all for aborting until the boyfriend had something to say about it. He'd leave her." Avalux Apr 2013 #21

Funny how the mom is automatically to blame, isn't it? IdaBriggs Apr 2013 #24

because this is clearly trolling bullshit. for pete's sake, Ida. cali Apr 2013 #67

Jury results kiva Apr 2013 #156

thanks.. Voice for Peace Apr 2013 #228

Hmmm... one_voice Apr 2013 #23

+1000 bunnies Apr 2013 #32

right on every point arely staircase Apr 2013 #226

I stopped reading at "hood rats." Brickbat Apr 2013 #29

++++ marions ghost Apr 2013 #34

Yep. Dead give-away. (n/t) WorseBeforeBetter Apr 2013 #82

So many "'hoods" in Vermont, doncha know..... MADem Apr 2013 #118

it reads like some brietbart wannabe (or actual brietbart staffers) mimicking arely staircase Apr 2013 #234

Sounds a little too much like the plot to "Up to the Lake" but I'll offer advice. Peregrine Took Apr 2013 #30

I don't buy it for one nanosecond. It's a ghastly anti-choicer trollkin. cali Apr 2013 #31

as i said upthread arely staircase Apr 2013 #235

i dont buy it for one second. La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2013 #35

+1 - My thoughts exactly LeftInTX Apr 2013 #58

++1 ropi Apr 2013 #62

I'm calling anti-choice troll BS. Oh, and how old is the BF? He's probably older and kestrel91316 Apr 2013 #37

She says he's 15... TeeYiYi Apr 2013 #48

My thoughts too Mz Pip Apr 2013 #49

If you feel the need to post ohheckyeah Apr 2013 #38

Her post was a response... TeeYiYi Apr 2013 #66

Her body, her choice. 10 years old or 70, no matter what. LittleBlue Apr 2013 #39

This. Is. A. Troll. Lock the thread. mn9driver Apr 2013 #42

Thanks for this input. Brickbat Apr 2013 #45

Time to stick a scissors obliviously Apr 2013 #64

yes...agreed ropi Apr 2013 #71

eek Voice for Peace Apr 2013 #76

I call bullshit MotherPetrie Apr 2013 #50

I agree with the "it's a trap" assessments. PeaceNikki Apr 2013 #55

This smells trollie. If not, Shrike47 Apr 2013 #59

Which might well be the goal of the father's family. TheMadMonk Apr 2013 #263

Strip her room. Take away all the fun in her life. Xithras Apr 2013 #60

i think this story is fake, but assuming it's true, if she wants to have the baby that's what you JI7 Apr 2013 #63

I think it's fake, too, but if it's true, she should sue the parents of the boy for monetary MADem Apr 2013 #121

You're being unfair... TeeYiYi Apr 2013 #123

No I'm not. MADem Apr 2013 #124

Did you even look at the OP she responded to?... TeeYiYi Apr 2013 #127

Gee, maybe an IP comparison wouldn't be amiss. MADem Apr 2013 #294

Google: Compliacation of pregnant 12 year olds... MichelleB Apr 2013 #133

actually, there are "hoods" in Vermont cali Apr 2013 #149

Not much though....and it's what, a forty mile bike ride to "dangerous" Montpelier from Winooski? MADem Apr 2013 #293

lol. no kidding cali Apr 2013 #296

Burlington, Essex, Winooski, South Burlington all have "hoods" in them and I've met plenty of them NotThisTime Apr 2013 #298

Anyone can shoot anyone, or rob a store, anywhere--you don't need a "hood" to make that happen. nt MADem Apr 2013 #300

The hoods are supplying the hoods in Burlington NotThisTime Apr 2013 #311

Well, it is a little white for my crowd, but I've been up to the Northeast Kingdom a time or twenty. MADem Apr 2013 #313

wait a minute: You actually think that only gang members hold up stores or shoot people? cali Apr 2013 #318

Please share them!! MichelleB Apr 2013 #139

Try googling your state attorney general and legal aid for starters. MADem Apr 2013 #301

Excellent post, MADem Hekate Apr 2013 #325

Thank you. I hope the mechanisms that keep DU reasonably pulled together are aware of this MADem Apr 2013 #326

Her body, her choice. eom tarheelsunc Apr 2013 #74

Adoption can be beautiful SouthCarolina Apr 2013 #78

Welcome to DU, SouthCarolina... TeeYiYi Apr 2013 #86

Welcome to DU SouthCarolina! hrmjustin Apr 2013 #104

Why are we discussing this? lumberjack_jeff Apr 2013 #80

Did you miss post #73... TeeYiYi Apr 2013 #83

No it shouldn't and yes I am!! MichelleB Apr 2013 #85

What facebook? uppityperson Apr 2013 #89

This message was self-deleted by its author MichelleB Apr 2013 #90

This message was self-deleted by its author TeeYiYi Apr 2013 #92

Please do not post all this personal info, self delete please. uppityperson Apr 2013 #93

Don't let rude posters get to you, MichelleB... TeeYiYi Apr 2013 #91

Hey Michelle...some DUers are overly suspicious. dkf Apr 2013 #114

Sounds like something that lives under a bridge. Apophis Apr 2013 #81

If he is 15 and she is 12, it is statutory rape and should be reported to police. uppityperson Apr 2013 #87

Not in the state of Vermont MichelleB Apr 2013 #94

Too young for accountability? You must account for your daughter. Put the baby up for adoption. SugarShack Apr 2013 #97

Adoption MichelleB Apr 2013 #105

You mentioned the boyfriend's parents want her to keep the baby... TeeYiYi Apr 2013 #108

Hahahaha!! MichelleB Apr 2013 #119

so she and the boyfreind are "together"? you permit this, or can't stop it? arely staircase Apr 2013 #232

Allow me to explain... MichelleB Apr 2013 #253

I'd start with Doc McStuffins snooper2 Apr 2013 #247

What an absurd post. Parental rights do hold sway, here. MADem Apr 2013 #315

Theoretically though, Mr. X Apr 2013 #99

Good Advice!! MichelleB Apr 2013 #101

About college... Mr. X Apr 2013 #111

Feeling horribile MichelleB Apr 2013 #113

Sad isn't it? Mr. X Apr 2013 #117

For her own good MichelleB Apr 2013 #120

Get yourself one of those compurterized baby dolls and have her start notadmblnd Apr 2013 #165

Talked about that with a social worker MichelleB Apr 2013 #168

A teacher or counciler at her middle school should be able to borrow one from the HS notadmblnd Apr 2013 #172

I'm glad you came back Control-Z Apr 2013 #102

Thanks!! MichelleB Apr 2013 #103

Good luck, Michelle LittleBlue Apr 2013 #110

Thank you!! MichelleB Apr 2013 #116

She's 12 wickerwoman Apr 2013 #185

Thank you, well said. nt uppityperson Apr 2013 #188

Please see my other post above - that doesn't appear to be true kdmorris Apr 2013 #155

Are you saying... TeeYiYi Apr 2013 #158

"Anyone, regardless of age, commits sexual assault in Vermont when he has sexual intercourse with a" uppityperson Apr 2013 #160

Well that's not exactly true... TeeYiYi Apr 2013 #161

Wouldn't that make both of them guilty of sexual assault? CokeMachine Apr 2013 #241

It appears to be saying that kdmorris Apr 2013 #163

Thanks kdmorris... TeeYiYi Apr 2013 #170

If she's 12 and has never changed a diaper in her life, wickerwoman Apr 2013 #144

Even watching "16 & Pregnant" YarnAddict Apr 2013 #146

Start sending the bills to the boyfriends parents today cap Apr 2013 #151

Good post. Thank you. ..nt TeeYiYi Apr 2013 #152

A pregnant child of that age is evidence of rape, even if she had tblue37 Apr 2013 #166

persuaded the maybe real, maybe not boyfriend of what? cali Apr 2013 #175

From the OP, he is apparently the one who persuaded the girl not to have an tblue37 Apr 2013 #194

OK, let's be clear: It's up to the girl-whether she was persuaded or not cali Apr 2013 #208

Apparently it's not too late for that... TeeYiYi Apr 2013 #181

At what age do you think someone should be able to chose? Pro-choice at what age? uppityperson Apr 2013 #186

so you're all for parents forcing a child to bear a child? cali Apr 2013 #187

I think she is for forced abortions, not forcing to bear a child. uppityperson Apr 2013 #189

If by "forced abortions"... TeeYiYi Apr 2013 #193

At what age do you think someone should be allowed to chose? When should pro-choice kick in. uppityperson Apr 2013 #197

From my post... TeeYiYi Apr 2013 #191

that is wrong. As wrong as a parent who forces a child to bear a baby. cali Apr 2013 #192

I didn't say... TeeYiYi Apr 2013 #196

"I would absolutely insist that my 12 year old child terminate this pregnancy" uppityperson Apr 2013 #198

I would also insist... TeeYiYi Apr 2013 #200

Pro-forced abortion. Thank you for clarifying. The OP got what they were looking for. uppityperson Apr 2013 #202

From post #196... TeeYiYi Apr 2013 #203

2 things. hahahahahahaha. Secondly, "As my daughter", you are your daughter. Got it. uppityperson Apr 2013 #204

do we have proof this was a setup? I'm convinced it was but I'd like some evidence cali Apr 2013 #207

No proof but I am convinced also. And my "friend" uppityperson Apr 2013 #209

What are you? The grammar police?... TeeYiYi Apr 2013 #210

You do not have a daughter? Oh. Kay. That makes your being for forced abortion clearer. Goodbye. uppityperson Apr 2013 #211

"Forced abortions." Whatever, uppityperson... TeeYiYi Apr 2013 #212

You mean when you falsely accused me of it. Not mad but it all is coming together now. uppityperson Apr 2013 #214

Yep. You're mad. TeeYiYi Apr 2013 #216

You agree with forced abortions and take pride in making someone mad. Huh. uppityperson Apr 2013 #217

Ok, uppityperson, get ready for it... TeeYiYi Apr 2013 #242

I find your continued endorsement of this OTIO rather curious. MADem Apr 2013 #307

Exactly Aerows Apr 2013 #309

The entire story is BS Aerows Apr 2013 #224

can the mods please check into this ZRT2209 Apr 2013 #178

Agreed. nt. Euphoria Apr 2013 #195

It's horseshit Aerows Apr 2013 #220

the DU jury screwed up ZRT2209 Apr 2013 #236

you are going on my ignore list - enough of this ZRT2209 Apr 2013 #201

I would tell the girl that the boyfriend will leave her Ilsa Apr 2013 #206

Oh, he'll leave her... TeeYiYi Apr 2013 #324

There are ways Aerows Apr 2013 #218

I hope you're wrong, Aerows.... TeeYiYi Apr 2013 #245

Here's the first reason you need to buy a clue. Aerows Apr 2013 #270

Why do you think... TeeYiYi Apr 2013 #277

It has been pointed out repeatedly Aerows Apr 2013 #281

i smell bullshit. if it is true, shame on her (the mom) arely staircase Apr 2013 #219

I smell horseshit. Some shit anyway. lonestarnot Apr 2013 #231

People sign up on DU all the time... TeeYiYi Apr 2013 #248

Anyone in the market for a used bridge? Ruby the Liberal Apr 2013 #221

No kidding! n/t Aerows Apr 2013 #223

does it come with a tenant under it? cali Apr 2013 #230

!!! Ruby the Liberal Apr 2013 #238

You too, Ruby?... TeeYiYi Apr 2013 #246

I'd hate to have a mother broadcasting these details with thousands on an internet forum. I do hope uppityperson Apr 2013 #258

So far, I don't think that's happened. TeeYiYi Apr 2013 #259

Do you realize this thread is being discussed on conservative sites? nt uppityperson Apr 2013 #260

No,... TeeYiYi Apr 2013 #262

Gee, wonder how rabid conservatives might have found such a thread? MADem Apr 2013 #295

Knock me over with a feather Aerows Apr 2013 #308

If it is real... a la izquierda Apr 2013 #265

A 12 year old Aerows Apr 2013 #272

Case in point a la izquierda Apr 2013 #273

It wasn't just the original story Ruby the Liberal Apr 2013 #266

If she has a pregnant 12 year old Aerows Apr 2013 #271

I'm not convinced that a 15 year old would be prosecuted in a case cali Apr 2013 #286

I don't buy it Aerows Apr 2013 #287

The link that you provided... TeeYiYi Apr 2013 #317

No, but I have cheap waterbottom property 200 miles due west of San Francisco Zorra Apr 2013 #275

Could you relocate it to Manhattan? Ruby the Liberal Apr 2013 #276

Best I can do is a beautiful view property southeast of Manhattan Beach. Zorra Apr 2013 #283

good lord MFM008 Apr 2013 #222

Please! Aerows Apr 2013 #225

NOPE, I wonder why this poster thinks they can DiverDave Apr 2013 #237

Post removed Post removed Apr 2013 #240

tell michelle to get the fuck off DU and go call the police SmileyRose Apr 2013 #243

+ 1000..really, your 12 year old is pg and you're seeking advice from a bunch of internet strangers? likesmountains 52 Apr 2013 #254

Of the nearly 300 responses, I think this one makes the most sense - if the story bike man Apr 2013 #279

Adoption may be the only option for the child Generic Other Apr 2013 #244

Oh... LegalScholar Apr 2013 #250

Welcome to DU, LegalScholar... TeeYiYi Apr 2013 #256

Congratulations youve made this BS th top search on google and bing Drew Richards Apr 2013 #278

+1000 cali Apr 2013 #284

It is so obvious Aerows Apr 2013 #285

the admins used to be much quicker on the trigger on the old DU... Blue_Tires Apr 2013 #320

I used to be a mod under DU2 Aerows Apr 2013 #321

MichelleB, this isn't the right place to seek advice fried eggs Apr 2013 #280

I'm beginning to think Aerows Apr 2013 #306

LOL good one for historical and current news reference Drew Richards Apr 2013 #310

OK I have one more thing to say about this TeeYiYi and take it to heart... Drew Richards Apr 2013 #312

Well, that puts the "googled it" theory to rest.... nt MADem Apr 2013 #314

thanks again. yet another clue that this is baiting bullshit. cali Apr 2013 #316

You and your anti-gay friend owe me a new bullshit meter, Jamastiene Apr 2013 #319

I'll admit... TeeYiYi Apr 2013 #323

Update? New.Rules.NJ Oct 2013 #328

Welcome to DU... TeeYiYi Oct 2013 #329

Welcome to DU gopiscrap Oct 2013 #330